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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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Clonmel1000

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

In the absence of a vaccine foreign holiday travel in 2021 will be very doubtful too I would think.

Sounds like you hope.

FintanMcluskey

Loozer wrote: »

We basically cocoaned fit working people and paid them to do nothing

Then we let the virus rip through the old people in nursing homes who should have been cocooned

Is there any fund announced.for.business to get them back up running?

Yes and we executed the 1st part of the plan here, under the pretense that if we didnt the ICU's would be over ran, thus causing more young deaths than Covid.
And the clever part was when we shut down any surplus ICUs and cancelled all surgeries and scans for 6 months so the younger folk would die anyway.
And we always can say we chose life over economy, not like those Swedish fcukers

Cork Boy 53

oceanman wrote: »

are you having a laugh, flights for holidays wont be happing by august..

In the absence of a vaccine foreign holiday travel in 2021 will be very doubtful too I would think.

Blueshoe

Loozer wrote: »

We basically cocoaned fit working people and paid them to do nothing

Then we let the virus rip through the old people in nursing homes who should have been cocooned

Is there any fund announced.for.business to get them back up running?

No not we. We weren't given a choice.

oceanman

Penfailed wrote: »

Why wouldn't it happen? It's very likely that there will be very very cheap holidays on offer this summer. August is ages away. Even Ireland should be mostly opened up by that stage.

are you having a laugh, flights for holidays wont be happing by august..

Stheno

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

Jesus and they only opened back up a year or 2 ago. I would often drop in there for a lunch and it was great

It was an utter rip off tbh

Cork Boy 53

Penfailed wrote: »

Why wouldn't it happen? It's very likely that there will be very very cheap holidays on offer this summer. August is ages away. Even Ireland should be mostly opened up by that stage.

Would you feel comfortable sitting in an enclosed cabin for several hours closely surrounded by other people even if wearing masks? I know I wouldn`t and will not be doing so even if foreign travel is opened up before the end of the year which realistically it won`t be.

RugbyLad11

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/bewley-s-on-grafton-street-to-close-permanently-with-loss-of-110-jobs-1.4246773?mode=amp

Bewley's throwing in the towel with the loss of 110 jobs. Not the first and not the last big hospitality name I'm sure.

Jesus and they only opened back up a year or 2 ago. I would often drop in there for a lunch and it was great

Penfailed

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

You have a vivid imagination if you believe that will happen.

Why wouldn't it happen? It's very likely that there will be very very cheap holidays on offer this summer. August is ages away. Even Ireland should be mostly opened up by that stage.

sterz

Who do you go to if you have any questions regarding the roadmap published last week? I know they cannot cover every scenario but it's difficult to plan for certain businesses if you're unsure as to which phase you fall in to.

polesheep

Loozer wrote: »

We basically cocoaned fit working people and paid them to do nothing

Then we let the virus rip through the old people in nursing homes who should have been cocooned

Is there any fund announced.for.business to get them back up running?

Sums it up perfectly.

Loozer

We basically cocoaned fit working people and paid them to do nothing

Then we let the virus rip through the old people in nursing homes who should have been cocooned

Is there any fund announced.for.business to get them back up running?

SusieBlue

devondudley wrote: »

lunacy for you maybe. thank god your the one qualified to make the calls :rolleyes:

Regardless of what side of the debate you are on, anyone with any experience whatsoever with children will know that keeping them locked up from March - July is a cruelty and most children (and their parents) will find that extremely extremely hard.
Whether it is necessary or not is a whole other argument, but let’s not downplay the severity and harshness of not allowing children any contact with other children for almost half a year

Being an only child in this country isn’t that uncommon and I can only imagine how hard it is for those children to have no contact their their cousins or friends for that length of time. It’s going to be extremely harsh and tough on them.

Ginger n Lemon

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/bewley-s-on-grafton-street-to-close-permanently-with-loss-of-110-jobs-1.4246773?mode=amp

Bewley's throwing in the towel with the loss of 110 jobs. Not the first and not the last big hospitality name I'm sure.

There was a poster in this thread who posted and said he lost his job 1 hour after Leo's speech. over a phone call.

Another person replied and said there were a lot of businesses with glimmer of hope looking forward to Leo's speech only to get this complete rubbish.

Same individual also predicted plenty of businesses liquidating come Tuesday (5th of May). Prediction off by 1 day, but then how many more businesses we dont know about yet? Some very smart people on boards.ie thats for sure.

This is precisely why we need to open up ASAP.

pjohnson

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/bewley-s-on-grafton-street-to-close-permanently-with-loss-of-110-jobs-1.4246773?mode=amp

Bewley's throwing in the towel with the loss of 110 jobs. Not the first and not the last big hospitality name I'm sure.

Seems to be a long long long issue regarding the exorbitant rent. It was having to be subsidised as it was. Like with Debenhams, writing on the wall long before covid.

Cork Boy 53

road_high wrote: »

Schools have started back weeks ago now in many European neighbours. We have this really lax attitude to school attendance here as demonstrated by our very long school holidays. Two month hole at the peak of the school calendar is already mental, not to mention bringing it out to September.
They should go back 18th May and go right to end June - secondary and national schools.

This will not be happening and if anything there are doubts as to whether the Leaving Cert will go ahead in late July/early August as previously announced.

road_high

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/bewley-s-on-grafton-street-to-close-permanently-with-loss-of-110-jobs-1.4246773?mode=amp

Bewley's throwing in the towel with the loss of 110 jobs. Not the first and not the last big hospitality name I'm sure.

Sadly I expect a string of those in the next few weeks. A lot have will just given up the fight after Varadkars plan for bankruptcy last Friday- they are likely evaluating plans for closure now and need to formalise those before announcing officially

road_high

snowcat wrote: »

Bonkers. There is evidence that kids are not vectors in this. We really need to start learning from this, shield the vulnerable and try and get life returning to normal for the vast majority of people.

Schools have started back weeks ago now in many European neighbours. We have this really lax attitude to school attendance here as demonstrated by our very long school holidays. Two month hole at the peak of the school calendar is already mental, not to mention bringing it out to September.
They should go back 18th May and go right to end June - secondary and national schools.

Assetbacked

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/bewley-s-on-grafton-street-to-close-permanently-with-loss-of-110-jobs-1.4246773?mode=amp

Bewley's throwing in the towel with the loss of 110 jobs. Not the first and not the last big hospitality name I'm sure.

is_that_so

snowcat wrote: »

Bonkers. There is evidence that kids are not vectors in this. We really need to start learning from this, shield the vulnerable and try and get life returning to normal for the vast majority of people.

Not over yet, still learning.

devondudley

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

how can anyone expect kids to stay locked in all summer, its pure lunacy.

lunacy for you maybe. thank god your the one qualified to make the calls :rolleyes:

olestoepoke

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

how can anyone expect kids to stay locked in all summer, its pure lunacy.

I think this is largely not doable

Galwayguy35

is_that_so wrote: »

It looks like Phase 3 or 4 so June/July.

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/e5e599-government-publishes-roadmap-to-ease-covid-19-restrictions-and-reope/

how can anyone expect kids to stay locked in all summer, its pure lunacy.

snowcat

is_that_so wrote: »

It looks like Phase 3 or 4 so June/July.

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/e5e599-government-publishes-roadmap-to-ease-covid-19-restrictions-and-reope/

Bonkers. There is evidence that kids are not vectors in this. We really need to start learning from this, shield the vulnerable and try and get life returning to normal for the vast majority of people.

is_that_so

olestoepoke wrote: »

At what stage can we let the kids back out to play with their friends. This has been the most challenging aspect for us as a family. Children are going crazy, frustrated, not good for their mental health.

It looks like Phase 3 or 4 so June/July.

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/e5e599-government-publishes-roadmap-to-ease-covid-19-restrictions-and-reope/

olestoepoke

At what stage can we let the kids back out to play with their friends. This has been the most challenging aspect for us as a family. Children are going crazy, frustrated, not good for their mental health.

is_that_so

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Instead of journalists asking questions at the daily briefings about hairdressers maybe they could ask intelligent questions about antibody tests and the availability of remdesivir?

They've asked about the former and it's watch this space. Remdesivir is still emergency use only in the US, not fully approved -still a way to to go on it.

is_that_so

road_high wrote: »

Softening the waters before the big cuts are brought in. PS pay and welfare will be first in line because without hefty cuts there the savings won’t amount to very much.

There is more than a suggestion of V-shaped so recovery should be moderately swift. Some sectors will fare very badly and we can probably expect unemployment to be in the order of 10% for a good bit. I don't think they'll cut things but there will be a lot of borrowing and very cautious spending to manage our way out of it. There will be lots of cheap money but only for loans.

tobefrank321

Instead of journalists asking questions at the daily briefings about hairdressers maybe they could ask intelligent questions about antibody tests and the availability of remdesivir?

Ginger n Lemon

road_high wrote: »

Why “should” they? If other countries can get their economy back running I don’t see why we are some kind of special (basket) case

Well if history is anything to go by then after recessions you usually have increases in tax rates. Pension levy, USC all of these things didnt exist before 2009.

And even though they were brought in as temporary measures, they somehow stick around and dont want to go away.

Link for your upcoming antibody test, rumours its goings to be £6 in UK, probably 10 quid here.

https://www.roche.com/media/releases/med-cor-2020-05-03.htm