Masks

RugbyLad11 · 03-05-2020 11:31AM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Very strange poll results imo. More than 50 percent claim to wear masks yet only around 10 percent of people on the streets & shops of Dublin seems to be wearing masks. Are the vast majority of non mask wearing people not bothered to vote? Results definitely not reflecting what I see all over Dublin on a daily basis.

I had the misfortune to be at Beaumont Hospital during the week. Sat outside for two hours waiting for my wife. You could tell who were staff and who were visiting. Staff coming & going wore no masks.

That's because people posting in here do not represent the average person in Dublin/Ireland

If they are posting in a thread about covid 19 then they are following it closer than the average person

Wibbs · 03-05-2020 11:34AM

Yes: other

Ah people are following it pretty closely. I don't know anyone who isn't. Even those avoiding social media because of all the rumour and doom and gloom are watching the daily press conferences.

Seanergy · 03-05-2020 11:58AM

Yes: valved

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Very strange poll results imo. More than 50 percent claim to wear masks yet only around 10 percent of people on the streets & shops of Dublin seems to be wearing masks. Are the vast majority of non mask wearing people not bothered to vote? Results definitely not reflecting what I see all over Dublin on a daily basis.

You certainly know how to fudge numbers. Maybe you made a mistake, that's cool if you admit it, or maybe I''m reading the poll wrong, it is a funny poll so it will and could lead to being interperted poorly.

It is informative none the less. What do you mean all over Dublin, are you not restricting your movements?

31.27% of boards.ie members wear masks in public.

61.46% of boards.ie members do not wear masks in public.

That's the way I'm reading it.

Seanergy · 03-05-2020 12:09PM

Yes: valved

Seanergy · 03-05-2020 01:00PM

Yes: valved

Deep thanks to the heads on this thread who have given their time and input behind the scenes and also to alot of you who have inspired both through your anti and pro mask use the content for

DIYMASKS.IE

oh and as a small complementary wesbite I give you dutytocare.ie

Just for the record the HSE website still says. 'Wearing a mask is unlikely to be of any benefit if you are not sick.'

I wanted to do so much more but my health is slowing me down.

#dutytocare

Wibbs · 03-05-2020 01:12PM

Yes: other

Fair play S! Regardless of opinion that took effort and actually doing something.

Bob24 · 03-05-2020 02:29PM

Seanergy wrote: »

Deep thanks to the heads on this thread who have given their time and input behind the scenes and also to alot of you who have inspired both through your anti and pro mask use the content for

DIYMASKS.IE

oh and as a small complementary wesbite I give you dutytocare.ie

Just for the record the HSE website still says. 'Wearing a mask is unlikely to be of any benefit if you are not sick.'

I wanted to do so much more but my health is slowing me down.

#dutytocare

Good initiative - hopefully it does encourage people to wear any type of masks.

If I see people wearing bras turned into masks I will think of you :-)

03-05-2020 02:35PM

Bob24 wrote: »

Good initiative - hopefully it does encourage people to wear any type of masks.

If I see people wearing bras turned into masks I will think of you :-)

It's important to only use the left cup of the bras. Otherwise you'll be out in public looking like a right tit.

Away With The Fairies · 03-05-2020 04:44PM

Yes: valved

Seanergy wrote: »

Deep thanks to the heads on this thread who have given their time and input behind the scenes and also to alot of you who have inspired both through your anti and pro mask use the content for

DIYMASKS.IE

oh and as a small complementary wesbite I give you dutytocare.ie

Just for the record the HSE website still says. 'Wearing a mask is unlikely to be of any benefit if you are not sick.'

I wanted to do so much more but my health is slowing me down.

#dutytocare

How can the HSE still say masks are for the sick... With asymptomatic people and pre-symptomatic... Everybody should be treated as if they're sick and wear masks... Because you just do not know...

This exactly like the beginning of this whole mess how they told a doctor to continue on with work. Yet they were following the advice from WHO and they were fully aware of asymptomatic and presymtomatic cases at that stage.

stockshares · 03-05-2020 07:21PM

Seanergy wrote: »

Deep thanks to the heads on this thread who have given their time and input behind the scenes and also to alot of you who have inspired both through your anti and pro mask use the content for

DIYMASKS.IE

oh and as a small complementary wesbite I give you dutytocare.ie

Just for the record the HSE website still says. 'Wearing a mask is unlikely to be of any benefit if you are not sick.'

I wanted to do so much more but my health is slowing me down.

#dutytocare

Well done, very impressed. That took great effort and you've provided a valuable service. It's what's needed.

Coralcoras · 04-05-2020 12:48AM

Yes: valved

https://www.wired.com/story/its-time-to-face-facts-america-masks-work/

A referenced literature review for anyone who cares to read about mask efficacy

Wibbs · 04-05-2020 02:17PM

Yes: other

Coralcoras wrote: »

https://www.wired.com/story/its-time-to-face-facts-america-masks-work/

A referenced literature review for anyone who cares to read about mask efficacy

Good article and as you note with links to the studies involved. Sadly most people likely won't budge on this until they're told to be de authoritaaays, just like with handwashing(which BTW has not a lot of peer reviewed studies on efficacy as far as respiratory viral spread either and where it was found to be efficacious it was in conjunction with mask wearing). The same authorities have backed themselves into a corner on this one and are unlikely to back out. Like I reckoned pages back at most they'll come out with a non mandatory ah sure what's the harm, but you don't have to wear one instruction. And that's taken months to get to this stage.

VonLuck · 04-05-2020 02:40PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Good article and as you note with links to the studies involved. Sadly most people likely won't budge on this until they're told to be de authoritaaays, just like with handwashing(which BTW has not a lot of peer reviewed studies on efficacy as far as respiratory viral spread either and where it was found to be efficacious it was in conjunction with mask wearing). The same authorities have backed themselves into a corner on this one and are unlikely to back out. Like I reckoned pages back at most they'll come out with a non mandatory ah sure what's the harm, but you don't have to wear one instruction. And that's taken months to get to this stage.

The key thing is that they're used correctly. If you're constantly touching your face adjusting your mask you will increase your risk. The public need to be taught how to wear them and it needs to be reinforced constantly to avoid it slipping from their minds, similar to hand washing.

Pen Rua · 04-05-2020 03:14PM

I've ordered some of Irish Socksciety's reusable fabric ones. I noticed they hey & others have the double layers to allow one to use a filter. Where can we get such filters? Are they more readily available than other "proper" masks?

Wibbs · 04-05-2020 03:18PM

Yes: other

VonLuck wrote: »

The key thing is that they're used correctly. If you're constantly touching your face adjusting your mask you will increase your risk. The public need to be taught how to wear them and it needs to be reinforced constantly to avoid it slipping from their minds, similar to hand washing.

Agreed, though again this comes back to the wrong tack to take on this. It's not so much about protecting oneself, it's much more about protecting others. The same person touching their mask all the time if it's covering their nose and mouth is still protecting others from their possible infection compared to if they were not wearing one, whether they were touching their face, or not as the case may be.

Jim_Hodge · 04-05-2020 03:22PM

Yes: homemade

Pen Rua wrote: »

I've ordered some of Irish Socksciety's reusable fabric ones. I noticed they hey & others have the double layers to allow one to use a filter. Where can we get such filters? Are they more readily available than other "proper" masks?

Coffee filter paper or dried baby wipes fan be used as filters.

Outlaw Pete · 04-05-2020 03:24PM

Some interesting info on the following site re masks, best type, best material, homemade vs surgical, surgical vs FFP2 etc etc, along with lots of citations:

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/category/masks/

Neyite · 04-05-2020 08:41PM

Yes: valved

Now I see why the politicians & scientists think people are too thick to use masks properly...

https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/04/woman-cuts-hole-face-mask-easier-breathe-12650146/

Wibbs · 04-05-2020 09:34PM

Yes: other

Clearly she's a bloody moron N. And if it only killed them... But it's obvious she's a bloody moron, hence the video going viral and would be stopped by even the dimmest door security if present. However if everyone else in that shop were wearing a face covering her mind blowing idiocy would make little difference.

Plus we've pretty much all seen some people, thankfully a minority not doing social distancing properly and god knows how many can't wash their hands, or coughing without covering their mouths with a tissue to save their lives(literally in some cases), but they're all good weapons in this fight. In every war you;ll have soldiers that end up shooting themselves in the foot and occasionally shooting their fellow soldiers in the arse, but the majority point their guns in the general direction of the enemy and that's how armies win.

2u2me · 05-05-2020 06:28AM

Stumbled accross this website Masks4all (Don't think it was already posted by apologies if so).

Founded by some czech scientists but now have representation all over the world.

Seems a great resource for anything mask related.

The science of
The full explanation
Examples by country
Sources
FAQ
How to make
etc..

To be honest, I think this image says it all.

Boggles · 05-05-2020 10:51AM

Wibbs wrote: »

hence the video going viral and would be stopped by even the dimmest door security if present.

Maybe he wasn't dim at all.

US family 'murdered shop guard for enforcing mask policy'

Calvin Munerlyn, 43, was shot in the back of the head on Friday at the Family Dollar store in Flint, Michigan, one of the US states hardest hit by the pandemic.

He was attacked after telling 45-year-old Sharmel Teague's daughter she could not come into the shop without a state-mandated mask.

I don't like to generalize but large parts of that country are an absolute fúcking write off.

Coralcoras · 05-05-2020 11:14AM

Yes: valved

I want to follow up this mask construction description after some practical use.

(Outer/middle/inner)
Quilters cotton/interfacing material/quilters cotton: Comfortable for in and out to shops. No use for wearing for extended periods as I got really uncomfortable. Felt like I was wearing an N95 in terms of breathability.

Quiltercotton/interfacing material/muslin cloth: improved comfort x 5

Quilters cotton/muslin cloth: if I was a hairdresser and changing this every 2 hours (Wet masks = waterboarding) I could tolerate. Comfort x10.

Efficacy? Who knows. Can we have a study done? No doubt someone somewhere is working on this.

05-05-2020 11:45AM

Hi all, I'm new to this thread; while I know some posters have posted links to reusable masks, I'm just wondering if there is a reference list of online retailers/ suppliers which currently have stock (or OOS but still accepting back-orders) of both disposable and reusable masks.

There may already be a sticky for this... however the search function is not working for me on boards.ie for the moment....

Thanks

Wibbs · 05-05-2020 12:34PM

Yes: other

2u2me wrote: »

Stumbled accross this website Masks4all (Don't think it was already posted by apologies if so).

Founded by some czech scientists but now have representation all over the world.

Seems a great resource for anything mask related.
The science of

The full explanation

Examples by country

Sources

FAQ

How to make

etc..

The naysayers should read that website and the scientific literature. Our authorities should be forced to. Their inaction and not just on masks has almost certainly led to too many deaths already.

Arrival · 05-05-2020 02:22PM

Wibbs wrote: »

The naysayers should read that website and the scientific literature. Our authorities should be forced to. Their inaction and not just on masks has almost certainly led to too many deaths already.

What's the story with how slow they are with getting the contact tracing app out as well? They said "within the next 10 days" over two weeks ago about that

A reliable, anonymous contact tracing app, mask wearing and social distancing all in place would have us out and about again, as seen in South Korea. South Korea aren't even needing to test as much anymore because of how well they're doing with these measures in place. They also test and isolate people upon entering the country. It's just unreal how lethargically they're acting

is_that_so · 05-05-2020 02:35PM

No: other

Arrival wrote: »

What's the story with how slow they are with getting the contact tracing app out as well? They said "within the next 10 days" over two weeks ago about that

A reliable, anonymous contact tracing app, mask wearing and social distancing all in place would have us out and about again, as seen in South Korea. South Korea aren't even needing to test as much anymore because of how well they're doing with these measures in place. They also test and isolate people upon entering the country. It's just unreal how lethargically they're acting

Data protection is the main one but software releases can be indifferent to dates. To be effective it also needs a big opt-in, Singapore only has 17% for theirs.

Thingymebob · 05-05-2020 02:43PM

Yes: surgical

An article in the Dailymail today mentioned Ireland will be using will be using the decentralised Apple/ Google system along with Germany, Italy, Switzerland, Austria, and Estonia with the US likely to follow. The Irish version is being made by NearForm, a Waterford company. The U.K. and the France will use a different centralised version.

Waccamacca3 · 05-05-2020 03:19PM

Yes: surgical

Bus eireann now proposing wearing masks on buses

drunkmonkey · 05-05-2020 03:34PM

No: other

Had to visit a hospital this morning, I'm even more against masks now, here's my experience in a health care setting.

Stopped at door told we had to wear masks, myself and my 6yr old. The guy at reception picked up the masks by the mask part of the masks not the strings with his gloves I did not see him clean or put on new gloves this was done for multiple visitors while we were queing to get our tempature checked before proceeding.

I put it on my 6yr old, it slipped down a few minutes later and he readjusted it himself by the front before I could stop him.

There was 0 guidance on proper usage, the same when disposing of them 0 guidence just told to throw them in the bin.

As I see it if they can't get it right in a hospital, not only should they be not recommended they should be banned.

stephenjmcd · 05-05-2020 03:37PM

Waccamacca3 wrote: »

Bus eireann now proposing wearing masks on buses

Bus Eireann aren't, its within an NBRU proposal along with lots of other things. If you read the transport forum you'll get a fair idea as to what most drivers even in the NBRU think of O'Leary in the last few weeks.

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