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  • #3362
    btkm8unsl0w5r4
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,251 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Now you know why I didn't ask for his 911 opinion I knew he'd say Tesla.
    Which 911 did you have Fitz, is it a non runner as a daily?

    Had a 997.1 c2s. I see why people like em, fast enough, sound good, drive great, look great. I though it was uncomfortable and a tiring drive to daily (mine was a manual), crap interior. I would defo have another but not as my main car. They are savage for holding their value, didnt loose a penny in a year on it...BMW's they kick you with depreciation.

    Tesla is not the bee all and end all, but as a machine to move you around in technologically superior comfort, speed the.y are hard to overlook unless you are doing mad milage every week.


  • #3363
    carsfan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,832 ✭✭✭carsfan2


    Did you look at the jaguar i pace Cyrus?
    I think on decent wheels it’s a great looking car.


  • #3364
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,794 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Is this site gone stupid slow for anyone else?
    Everything else flying here but boards taking 20 to 30 seconds to open a thread.


  • #3365
    Wailin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭Wailin


    2016 manual M3 competition that's same price as the auto non competition linked earlier. Probably a more desirable car for those looking for more driver involvement. Similar mileage too so a good choice to have for someone looking for an m3. The competition pack is apparently the one to get. Apart from the extra bit of power, the handling is far better. Common complaint of the non comp m3 is the unpredictable handling from the rear axle. Made the car potentially dangerous apparently. Chassis and suspension tweaks in the competition make it a far superior car from what I've read online. Being used to the comfort of automatics now for years, not sure if I could switch to manual.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWL2I1xbB7I


  • #3366
    Wailin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭Wailin


    mickdw wrote: »
    Is this site gone stupid slow for anyone else?
    Everything else flying here but boards taking 20 to 30 seconds to open a thread.

    Yeah, for the last 3 or 4 days it's been like that. Making it very tiresome to use.


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  • #3367
    bazz26
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,621 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Dog slow for me on the Chrome browser but works fine with IE.


  • #3368
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,857 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    carsfan2 wrote: »
    Did you look at the jaguar i pace Cyrus?
    I think on decent wheels it’s a great looking car.

    its etron 55 price (im getting a 50) and a bit small.


  • #3369
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,925 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    mickdw wrote: »
    Is this site gone stupid slow for anyone else?
    Everything else flying here but boards taking 20 to 30 seconds to open a thread.

    Message on top of page.... .

    Hi all, we apologise for the ongoing issues that are resulting in slow load times and unresponsive errors at times. We are working to get to the bottom of these issues. We understand that this is frustrating, but we thank you for your patience as we deal with this and we are sorry for the disruption.


  • #3370
    carsfan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,832 ✭✭✭carsfan2


    Wailin wrote: »
    2016 manual M3 competition that's same price as the auto non competition linked earlier. Probably a more desirable car for those looking for more driver involvement. Similar mileage too so a good choice to have for someone looking for an m3. The competition pack is apparently the one to get. Apart from the extra bit of power, the handling is far better. Common complaint of the non comp m3 is the unpredictable handling from the rear axle. Made the car potentially dangerous apparently. Chassis and suspension tweaks in the competition make it a far superior car from what I've read online. Being used to the comfort of automatics now for years, not sure if I could switch to manual.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWL2I1xbB7I

    Saw that car myself and agree competition pack is the better buy but I wouldn’t buy manual again for a daily driver. I bought a golf gti in 2015 and went manual to supposedly feel more involved etc. But I regretted it within a few weeks. After years of autos I just prefer them on a daily basis.
    I also prefer the lighter interior of the other car but I won’t buy anything just now anyway, will wait until next year or so. No harm to look and dream though.


  • #3371
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,136 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    I'm getting a short shifter my GTI once VW open on the 18th. No regrets going back to manual, got it tuned a while ago and fitted a dog bone mouth, it's a grippy little sleeper now, must rolling road it, has to be around 300bhp with oodles of torque. The adaptive cruise control makes a big difference, it's very close to an auto when you want it to be.


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  • #3372
    btkm8unsl0w5r4
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,251 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    carsfan2 wrote: »
    Saw that car myself and agree competition pack is the better buy but I wouldn’t buy manual again for a daily driver. I bought a golf gti in 2015 and went manual to supposedly feel more involved etc. But I regretted it within a few weeks. After years of autos I just prefer them on a daily basis.

    The manual seems fun for about a day, get pretty tiresome and its not the nicest manual box around and a dog when its cold. Really this engine was designed with a DCT in mind. There is a reason the manual costs less, nobody want them, and everyone who buys a M4 is into driving, dont kid yourself you are more pure than them.

    Comp pack, yeah sure, but they do have ugly alloys and are appallingly harsh. You can remap a non comp to have a smoother torque delivery, thats what made them snappy. But for the same price choose the comp.


  • #3373
    Mickcork2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 ✭Mickcork2020


    Martin

    I'm having the same problem now, did you ever get an answer to this query?


  • #3374
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,925 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wailin wrote: »
    2016 manual M3 competition that's same price as the auto non competition linked earlier..........

    Small miles and after a €2500 service, presumably they are including the new tyres in that service cost would ye think?


  • #3375
    hooch-85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭hooch-85


    Wailin wrote: »
    2016 manual M3 competition that's same price as the auto non competition linked earlier. Probably a more desirable car for those looking for more driver involvement. Similar mileage too so a good choice to have for someone looking for an m3. The competition pack is apparently the one to get. Apart from the extra bit of power, the handling is far better. Common complaint of the non comp m3 is the unpredictable handling from the rear axle. Made the car potentially dangerous apparently. Chassis and suspension tweaks in the competition make it a far superior car from what I've read online. Being used to the comfort of automatics now for years, not sure if I could switch to manual.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWL2I1xbB7I

    That's a serious car. But you'd have to be prepared for it to lose 30k in the next 2-3 years.


  • #3376
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,925 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    hooch-85 wrote: »
    That's a serious car. But you'd have to be prepared for it to lose 30k in the next 2-3 years.

    I suppose most modern stuff for €60k forecourt retail wouldn't fetch more than €30k in 3 years time if you were trading in or trying to sell it privately?


  • #3377
    carsfan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,832 ✭✭✭carsfan2


    Augeo wrote: »
    I suppose most modern stuff for €60k forecourt retail wouldn't fetch more than €30k in 3 years time if you were trading in or trying to sell it privately?

    I agree, I imagine the daily running costs are very high on M3/4 too.
    Road tax, tyres, servicing and insurance cannot be cheap.


  • #3378
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,925 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    carsfan2 wrote: »
    ...... tyres, servicing .........

    Joe Duffy video mentioned the M3 was after a €2500 service. That's a 35k km car. Perhaps that inlcuded the new tyres but maybe not. At 4 years old maybe they did gearbox oil etc etc.

    I'd cry at paying big service costs along with depreciation, the Sorento is a cheap enough bus but even main dealer servicing is cheap enough.... €1465 for the 20k, 40k and 60k services and a set of OEM tyres (Nexan so not overly expensive, €680 dealer fitted at dealer labour rates) ....... that'll bring her to 80k kms........ the tyres will be 2.5mm by 120k kms.

    EV does appeal in that regard tbh.


  • #3379
    Mickcork2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 ✭Mickcork2020


    Hoping someone can help me with VRT costs. Trying to estimate VRT cost on revenue website for 530e m sport. Problem arises as their is different selections for 530e which seem incorrect.

    Selecting "530" gives me a range of selections and im able to select petrol/ plugin option for 530, E G30 MSPORT. The VRT is really low only €600 approx excluding nox charges which are low anyway.

    However if i select 530e on drop down the only option is SE iperformace and vrt is far higher.

    Anybody with any knowledge on which is correct?


  • #3380
    carsfan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,832 ✭✭✭carsfan2


    Mickdw may know more as I know he has looked to import one and also maybe someone on here..

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058004138


  • #3381
    Wailin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭Wailin


    Augeo wrote: »
    Small miles and after a €2500 service, presumably they are including the new tyres in that service cost would ye think?

    Yes but that still leaves around €1500 or so left over for a service. Very steep money so I wonder did that include new brake pads all round and discs?


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  • #3382
    Wailin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭Wailin


    carsfan2 wrote: »
    I agree, I imagine the daily running costs are very high on M3/4 too.
    Road tax, tyres, servicing and insurance cannot be cheap.


    They are €1200 to tax which is just about acceptable compared to an M5 or Porsche 911. From other forums they seem to get about 25mpg for normal driving. A good bit less when you start playing around.

    Would you think servicing would be a lot more than say 520d if it's just oil and filters?


  • #3383
    Paul Kiernan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,240 ✭✭✭Paul Kiernan


    Mickcork2020 wrote: »
    Hoping someone can help me with VRT costs. Trying to estimate VRT cost on revenue website for 530e m sport. Problem arises as their is different selections for 530e which seem incorrect.

    Selecting "530" gives me a range of selections and im able to select petrol/ plugin option for 530, E G30 MSPORT. The VRT is really low only €600 approx excluding nox charges which are low anyway.

    However if i select 530e on drop down the only option is SE iperformace and vrt is far higher.

    Anybody with any knowledge on which is correct?

    The Revenue VRT quote is meaningless as it's only a guide and they don't honour it. What you'll have to pay is 14% of the OMSP, minus the PHEV deduction, plus the NOX which as you say should be very low.

    NCTS will come up with an outrageous OMSP and you'll have to pay based on that but you can then appeal it as long as you can come up with a reasonable lower OMSP. I believe Revenue will even accept an OMSP based on what it costs to import from UK.

    So, for example, if you get a 191 model for UK25k, about EUR28k. NCTS will apply an OMSP of maybe EUR55k and charge you 14% of that (7700) less the PHEV discount of 2250 so 5450 plus NOX.

    However, if you successfully argue that you bought the car from an approved BMW dealer with full used warranty and it only cost you around 34k then they will reassess the VRT as 14% of that (4760) less the 2250 so around 2500.


  • #3384
    maddness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭maddness


    Mickcork2020 wrote: »
    Hoping someone can help me with VRT costs. Trying to estimate VRT cost on revenue website for 530e m sport. Problem arises as their is different selections for 530e which seem incorrect.

    Selecting "530" gives me a range of selections and im able to select petrol/ plugin option for 530, E G30 MSPORT. The VRT is really low only €600 approx excluding nox charges which are low anyway.

    However if i select 530e on drop down the only option is SE iperformace and vrt is far higher.

    Anybody with any knowledge on which is correct?

    https://www.ros.ie/evrt-enquiry/vrtenquiry.html?execution=e2s3

    There’s a link to an example I just did in their site. Just put in 530 then automatic then there is a drop down allowing you to select hybrid.


  • #3385
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,857 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Wailin wrote: »
    Yes but that still leaves around €1500 or so left over for a service. Very steep money so I wonder did that include new brake pads all round and discs?

    probably

    i remember back in my e46 m3 days there was an expensive service every 4th one, it went oil service, insp 1, oil service, insp 2.

    Inspection 2 was 1200 quid or so without any new parts.


  • #3386
    Wailin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭Wailin


    Well, that m3 comp is sold. I sent off a sneaky mail to Duffy's yesterdsy enquiring about the €2500 service and got a call from a sales person half an hour ago. They took a deposit on the car last week. He said new tyres were in that price plus oil, filters, spark plugs etc.

    I wonder how they organise test drives now. Do the salesperson just hand you the keys and leave you take the car out on your own?


  • #3387
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,925 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wailin wrote: »
    .......... He said new tyres were in that price plus oil, filters, spark plugs etc...........

    Tyres would be well over the €1k RRP from Joe Duffy so the remainder would be the Inspection11 Cyrus mentioned I imagine.

    Oil & filter change, Air filter, pollen filter, Fuel filter, Spark plugs, Check valve clearances, Renew valve cover gaskets, Renew rear diff oil & gearbox oil. General look around also.

    No new stoppy bits.


  • #3388
    User1998
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,315 ✭✭✭User1998


    Paul Kiernan wrote: »
    However, if you successfully argue that you bought the car from an approved BMW dealer with full used warranty and it only cost you around 34k then they will reassess the VRT as 14% of that (4760) less the 2250 so around 2500.

    They won’t. How much you paid is irrelevant. They’re only interested in the OMSP in Ireland. If they give an OMSP of say €50k and you see several similar spec cars being sold by dealers for €45k, then you have grounds for appeal, but just because you got the car cheap in the UK does not mean they’ll re asses your VRT


  • #3389
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,794 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    carsfan2 wrote: »
    Mickdw may know more as I know he has looked to import one and also maybe someone on here..

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058004138

    Ya there is a bit of a mess up on the vrt site.
    For ages, you could only select 530 then pick phev later on which gave all the right options.
    Then this 530E option appeared and it only gave se as the option.
    I queried this via the lady from vrt office who posts here and the response was that the claculator we get works completely differently to the real system and so not to worry about how it appears on the public system. Stat code etc will mean they get it right. Going in by selecting 530 then phev will produce a pretty accurate figure going by people here who paid vrt on 530e. There didnt seem to be any surprises anyway but you never know until you get your figure.


  • #3390
    Mickcork2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 ✭Mickcork2020


    Paul Kiernan wrote: »
    The Revenue VRT quote is meaningless as it's only a guide and they don't honour it. What you'll have to pay is 14% of the OMSP, minus the PHEV deduction, plus the NOX which as you say should be very low.

    NCTS will come up with an outrageous OMSP and you'll have to pay based on that but you can then appeal it as long as you can come up with a reasonable lower OMSP. I believe Revenue will even accept an OMSP based on what it costs to import from UK.

    So, for example, if you get a 191 model for UK25k, about EUR28k. NCTS will apply an OMSP of maybe EUR55k and charge you 14% of that (7700) less the PHEV discount of 2250 so 5450 plus NOX.

    However, if you successfully argue that you bought the car from an approved BMW dealer with full used warranty and it only cost you around 34k then they will reassess the VRT as 14% of that (4760) less the 2250 so around 2500.

    Paul, I'm pretty familiar with the VRT process and have used it in the past and quote has been the price i've paid. The issue I am having is there seems to be a 530 and 530e model on VRT website which have completely different deprecation value and therefore there is a 2-3k difference in quote.
    maddness wrote: »

    There’s a link to an example I just did in their site. Just put in 530 then automatic then there is a drop down allowing you to select hybrid.

    Madness, Are you certain this is referring to a 2L M Sport iPerformance 530e 4dr

    There is a 530 and 530e option on VRT as ive mentioned previously, with a big difference price.


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  • #3391
    vintagevrs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,402 ✭✭✭vintagevrs


    Paying vrt as a % of a figure that already includes vrt annoys me in principle.

    Anyway, I randomly just found the previous owner of that M3 on Instagram. Replaced with another fine car....

    Screenshot-20200505-130450-com-instagram-android.jpg


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