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carsfan2

Cyrus wrote: »

I’m fine with the range to be honest it’ll cover 95 percent of what we do with no issue .

I’ll see what I’ll do on the 18th there will need to be a proper deal on the table anyway

I’m not concerned with values now rather 3/4 years time I still think evs are the way to go and I’m wary the government will pull another stunt like the diesel one that killed petrol sales 10 years ago

We have a x5 that was supposed to arrive early April to pick up when things reopen if it is there.
Have a decent deal done, don’t See how we can renegotiate now as there is a valid argument that our trade in has devalued too. What tactics you planning Cyrus to improve the deal?
If the greens go in to government they will cause a **** storm as soon as the covid crisis ends Most likely. I think the e Tron is a safe buy If it suits you.
Nobby gave It a good review I think.

I think the m3 was just idle aspirational car shopping, I was thinking if you got it mid fifties and kept it a couple of years it might be ok residual but I take what fitzgeme Has said who has experience to be correct.
Half thinking, buy cheap electric car for commute and older more special car for weekend might be way to go in time.
That video with the m340i doesn’t show the m3 in a good light and the interior is so dated now too That it’s not a runner.

Cyrus

carsfan2 wrote: »

We have a x5 that was supposed to arrive early April to pick up when things reopen if it is there.
Have a decent deal done, don’t See how we can renegotiate now as there is a valid argument that our trade in has devalued too. What tactics you planning Cyrus to improve the deal?
If the greens go in to government they will cause a **** storm as soon as the covid crisis ends Most likely. I think the e Tron is a safe buy If it suits you.
Nobby gave It a good review I think.

I think the m3 was just idle aspirational car shopping, I was thinking if you got it mid fifties and kept it a couple of years it might be ok residual but I take what fitzgeme Has said who has experience to be correct.
Half thinking, buy cheap electric car for commute and older more special car for weekend might be way to go in time.
That video with the m340i doesn’t show the m3 in a good light and the interior is so dated now too That it’s not a runner.

My etron was in the country rather than a bespoke order , so I told him what I wanted and he found one that was basically it that they preordered

I’ll just tell them I want to renegotiate worst case I have to leave 2k behind me, so I’ll need to weigh it up !

digiman

Cyrus wrote: »

My etron was in the country rather than a bespoke order , so I told him what I wanted and he found one that was basically it that they preordered

I’ll just tell them I want to renegotiate worst case I have to leave 2k behind me, so I’ll need to weigh it up !

Talk to another few dealers and see what they can do for you, someone is bound to beat the current offer, if it's more than the 2k then you can go back to your dealer.

carsfan2

Buying a stock car you have the upper hand but I wouldn’t be surprised if they tell you your trade in is worth less than before too.
That said it’s worth a try.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

whats the trade in Cyrus?

I'd like to think they'd refund the 2k deposit TBH. Who knows how the easing of restrictions shall work out.
It'd be wonderful if all goes well with the plan they shared yesterday but it's highly aspirational I fear.

Cyrus

Leona Stale Gnat wrote: »

whats the trade in Cyrus?

Mercedes glc 220 amg styling

Cyrus

Augeo wrote: »

I'd like to think they'd refund the 2k deposit TBH. Who knows how the easing of restrictions shall work out.
It'd be wonderful if all goes well with the plan they shared yesterday but it's highly aspirational I fear.

I’ve bought a few cars from them down the years so maybe but I’ll probably change one way or the other so it’s just a matter of who is doing the best deal

drunkmonkey

Did you look at the mustang, 600km range, 2/3 years it might hold it's value well with that kind of range. There very well specified, I'm not sure about the giant touchscreen though and just like Tesla why did they try and reinvent the door handles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4QrcMzH7H0

Cyrus

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Did you look at the mustang, 600km range, 2/3 years it might hold it's value well with that kind of range. There very well specified, I'm not sure about the giant touchscreen though and just like Tesla why did they try and reinvent the door handles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4QrcMzH7H0

Jaysus no

I like mustangs but that’s an awful looking yoke

drunkmonkey

Better not watch this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPvQDKl-LG4

Cyrus

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Better not watch this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPvQDKl-LG4

I know that lad has a decent following

But is it just me or is he very annoying ?

Top Dog

Leona Stale Gnat wrote: »

As for the F82 M3/m4 I really would caution buying at the moment. I clocked valued plummeting about 12 months ago, early 142 and 151 examples were going for 55-60k, then 6 months ago low 40's private and trade price. I cashed out early, but now there are dealers examples in the low 40s and its only down from there. Covid will speed that up. I would say in Jan 2021 you will get one on Irish plates for high 20's. New one is due out soon enough

You have NO idea how much I hope your prediction is accurate

dastardly00

Cyrus wrote: »

I know that lad has a decent following

But is it just me or is he very annoying ?

Yeah I find him very annoying also

James Bond Junior

Cyrus wrote: »

I know that lad has a decent following

But is it just me or is he very annoying ?

I think he is OK. The stick tests raise a smile.

maddness

Top Dog wrote: »

You have NO idea how much I hope your prediction is accurate

Jeasus, me too!

maddness

James Bond Junior wrote: »

I think he is OK. The stick tests raise a smile.

He’s not the worst and he’s 100% right about fake exhausts.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

maddness wrote: »

Jeasus, me too!

I am telling you. Unless they are crashed or flooded, these s55 and DCT drivetrains are fairly bullet proof (of all the m cars I have had this is the one I would not worry about owning out of warranty) . Here is one for 42k asking...I would say 40 cash and your there.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-4-series-m4/24673409?campaign=3

Give it 6 months and and can see low 30's. Good e46 m3 is 20k and a good e92 m3 is 24k so I am seeing a weird "singularity" in there near future where all m3's costs the same amount. Not a hope BMW will release the new m4 anytime soon, they have been caught on the hop by tesla and releasing another m4 with the same basic engine since 2006 n54 is not going to cut the mustard, especially if they turn it into a mini m5 with 4wd and a autogear box. Never mind that you can get 550+ bhp out of the current m4 with software only.

Cyrus....the Etron sounds like a good option for you. With a trade in you are going to get hit one end or the other. Inst there some bargain Etron up at the moment https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/audi/e-tron/fpa/201912135315651?journey=Search

carsfan2

Cyrus wrote: »

I know that lad has a decent following

But is it just me or is he very annoying ?

I like his general reviews as he is pretty comprehensive without going into the feature length autogefuhl level.
Lately however I’ve noticed he’s becoming a bit irritating with his double entendres and childish jokes. Need to control the script more tightly.
I completely agree with him in the fake exhaust thing though.

Cyrus

Leona Stale Gnat wrote: »

I am telling you. Unless they are crashed or flooded, these s55 and DCT drivetrains are fairly bullet proof (of all the m cars I have had this is the one I would not worry about owning out of warranty) . Here is one for 42k asking...I would say 40 cash and your there.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-4-series-m4/24673409?campaign=3

Give it 6 months and and can see low 30's. Good e46 m3 is 20k and a good e92 m3 is 24k so I am seeing a weird "singularity" in there near future where all m3's costs the same amount. Not a hope BMW will release the new m4 anytime soon, they have been caught on the hop by tesla and releasing another m4 with the same basic engine since 2006 n54 is not going to cut the mustard, especially if they turn it into a mini m5 with 4wd and a autogear box. Never mind that you can get 550+ bhp out of the current m4 with software only.

Cyrus....the Etron sounds like a good option for you. With a trade in you are going to get hit one end or the other. Inst there some bargain Etron up at the moment https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/audi/e-tron/fpa/201912135315651?journey=Search

That etron ad is being very opaque on the price if you read if they are factoring in the bik saving on evs !

Wailin

The colour might not be to everyone's taste but I think this m4 competition is absolutely stunning. Has the icon adaptive lights which transforms the looks along with the m performance parts. Merino leather interior gives that bit of class over the standard interior. Hefty price tag but it's already dropped 3k in the last 2 months.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VES46-hxOsY

carsfan2

Pretty sure that m4 was for sale privately a bit cheaper a few months ago.
Seller looked to be in leafy south Dublin and said he had a trade in done on something even more exotic that escapes my memory, but was selling privately to see if he could buy straight.
I love that colour too and it marks Then out as M car. Unlike estoril blue that they put on everything now.

Leonard Hofstadter

The M4 is coming next year, and thank goodness, it will have a manual gearbox and rear wheel drive as standard. The engine is completely unrelated to the old one, it's even a different capacity to the regular B58 engine, first time that's happened since they started turbocharging M cars. That's a positive and a step in the right direction.

To be fair, for the rest of the range, it makes sense to move away from manual; apart from the fact that nobody is buying them, it wouldn't be possible to do hybrid and plug in and get the CO2 down. So if the automatic means they can keep big engines and the other stuff that makes a BMW drive like a BMW should for longer, fine with me. The 8 speed ZF is a brilliant gearbox in any event.

Seems like if the latest spyshots are to be believe, it will have standard sized kidney grilles, at least the regular 4 series will by the looks of things anyway. That again is great news. What I'm particularly excited by is all the talk from BMW about improving the steering feel, hopefully it will come close to what you got in the good old days (of course, because it's electric, it simply cannot be as good as the magical steering you got in an E generation BMW with hydraulic power steering, but if Ford can make the electric steering in a €17k Fiesta feel almost hydraulic, then a company that claims to make cars that are 'The Ultimate Driving Machine' has no excuse for not making their modern cars come close to the old ones in terms of steering feel), and the magic you got in a BMW from the good old days is back.

I don't understand why they won't sell the M340i/M440i with rear wheel drive given that it's an option in the US market, it's surely more CO2 friendly which will be important as the manufacturers start getting fined by the EU if the emissions are too high. It would also be closer to an authentic BMW driving experience that you got from the glory days of the company. The 430i has the making of being the sweet spot in the range; usefully lighter than the 440i and it will definitely come with traditional rear wheel drive and 50:50 weight distribution as standard - shame it will only have a four cylinder engine rather than a glorious straight six like you used to get in the good old days, though .

drunkmonkey

So is the i4, 600km range and 534bhp. Grant qualifying and 50k bik exemption. It'll make the M4 a difficult buy.

carsfan2

Is the M4 not going to have a big grille on it?
All the spy shots I’ve seen show a massive grille with number plate surround in the middle.

The i4 could be great but knowing BMW it will probably be 100k car here when you spec it up meaning a small market, regardless of bik and grants.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

carsfan2 wrote: »

Is the M4 not going to have a big grille on it?
All the spy shots I’ve seen show a massive grille with number plate surround in the middle.

The i4 could be great but knowing BMW it will probably be 100k car here when you spec it up meaning a small market, regardless of bik and grants.

i4 is a long way off I wouldn't put off any purchase waiting for it. If the specs are to be believed it should be a contender. Great to see some inovation.

The new m4 is rumoured to have a "pure" edition which is manual and RWD only. Will sell in tiny numbers, sure just save yourself a ton and by a 20k e92.

The new m4 engine is the same as the already released X3 M and X4 M the s58 which is a derivative of the s55 and the s55 is a derivative of the n55 from 2006. Yes yes there will be some new bits and bobs but its basically the same as every other flipping engine in every other bmw. The performance figures quoted are what you get out of a lightly tuned s55. Its not like the v10 in the e60 m5 or the v8 in the e92 or the e46's landmark engines vastly different from the previous generation...something unique and different. Its just BMW making minor changes to its existing engines, turbos, drivetrain and platform and whacking a m badge on it. Lazy.

As for steering feel...whatever floats your boat. They will harp on about this a lot, cause a 55k Tesla model 3 long range will have similar or better performance specs in a straight line. They are somehow going to have to tell you that this is the good old school feel...but you should not just buy a second hand old school car...having gesture control and car play is worth the extra 100k.

The big grill is still on the cars no? BMW styling is gone in a terrible direction lately.

They were not due for launch until 2021 but with corona virus who knows could be end of next year or further out.

I am still on the waiting list for it, I have been given no news on it, the dealers have no news, no launch date no nothing. I love M cars, have had a good few, its been a long time since I was excited about one, and these little iterative changes dont cut the mustard. The EV market has making it difficult to justify spending 130k on something like this. The biggest problem BMW have with the new m4 is the old m4.

Wailin

That much heralded v10 s85 engine in the old E60 may have sounded glorious and redlined at crazy rpm, but it was a disaster reliability wise. Rod bearings shearing off and destroying the engine was very common, plus a rake of other major issues. Give me the more reliable straight 6 s55 or it's variants anyday for peace of mind.

carsfan2

Fitzgeme, which of your M cars did you enjoy the most? Is the m3/m4 a handful in daily use or a good daily drive?
Do you get as much pleasure out of running the Tesla as you did the various Porsche’s and M cars?

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Wailin wrote: »

That much heralded v10 s85 engine in the old E60 may have sounded glorious and redlined at crazy rpm, but it was a disaster reliability wise. Rod bearings shearing off and destroying the engine was very common, plus a rake of other major issues. Give me the more reliable straight 6 s55 or it's variants anyday for peace of mind.

I had both, yes s55 is more reliable.

carsfan2 wrote: »

Fitzgeme, which of your M cars did you enjoy the most? Is the m3/m4 a handful in daily use or a good daily drive?
Do you get as much pleasure out of running the Tesla as you did the various Porsche’s and M cars?

m4 was the best, no its fine to drive daily, sounds good. But you never got a chance to open it up much unless you were out on a drive. Traction was an issue in so far as you were often cautious to use the performance if it was cold or wet.

Now I am about to say something controversial - e46 m3 is overrated. Too slow needs more power. unreliable

e60 M5 is a cool car, great sound, could use some more torque but once you are on it, it is a monster. unreliable

Lot of experiance in e92 - great sound, good power, nice and stable. unreliable

Had a porsche 911 - didnt gel with it. Not a daily driver. Potentially unreliable

The tesla is a spaceship, you can use the performance every day cause you dont attract attention in it. Its stupid fast. Go on runs with my car buddies and its great fun although you feel the weight at speed. Its a mid engined 4wd basically. Very good value, looks a bit crap. Love it, awesome.

I think perfect setup is a EV for daily, and then something cheap and old school for the weekend.

drunkmonkey

Now you know why I didn't ask for his 911 opinion I knew he'd say Tesla.
Which 911 did you have Fitz, is it a non runner as a daily?