Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

wadacrack · 04-05-2020 10:11AM

Wibbs wrote: »

+1 I'm certainly going to do one. The precise symptoms of that dose I had in January would get me a Covid19 test in a heartbeat these days. Ditto for a few people I know who had similar. Including one family who always get the flu jab, already had a flu in early December and had gone on a European break at Christmas and came back with a dose, which I caught from them. Just sounds too coincidental to me. Maybe there were two strains of flu going on? That's the only way I can think to explain it without involving Covid19

Highly unlikely to be Covid 19. Hospitals would have been under far greater pressure earlier giving how infectious it is.

Stheno · 04-05-2020 10:11AM

sadie1502 wrote: »

He got the sniffles but nothing to what I had. Will the home testing kits be available soon? I'd definitely get one.

No any that have been checked are not reliable up to 30% inaccurate

The director of the national.cirus lab said in the Irish times over the weekend that they will be rolling out widespread antibody testing in June to gauge the level of infection in the community

I wouldn't expect private antibody tests to be available before September tbh
So far the only reliable tests

Boggles · 04-05-2020 10:13AM

sadie1502 wrote: »

He got the sniffles but nothing to what I had. Will the home testing kits be available soon? I'd definitely get one.

The UK are rolling them out this month apparently, 6-10 pounds and distributed from Amazon and Boots.

We'll probably get them 9-12 months after the pandemic is over.

stephenjmcd · 04-05-2020 10:19AM

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1257186591916937216?s=19

iguana · 04-05-2020 10:20AM

Wibbs wrote: »

+1 I'm certainly going to do one. The precise symptoms of that dose I had in January would get me a Covid19 test in a heartbeat these days.

Not unless you have a specific underlying condition it wouldn't. I clearly had/have it. My GP thinks I have it, the doctor who treated me in A&E thinks I had/have it. My secondary symptoms are now being realised as extremely common with it. My son almost certainly had it. The other people in my 'cluster' clearly had it. But with none of us having the specific underlying conditions we couldn't get tested. Actually though, you're a smoker right? That probably would get you a test.

Wibbs · 04-05-2020 10:27AM

iguana wrote: »

Actually though, you're a smoker right? That probably would get you a test.

It's not considered an underlying condition. I know a smoker who was refused a test. Funny enough with that dose in January I got the mildest symptoms of anyone I know who were symptomatic. Which seems to be the case with this Covid virus and smokers. If they end up in hospital, especially if they end up in ICU they have worse outcomes than non smokers which is no surprise, but they aren't showing up needing hospitalisation to nearly the same degree as non smokers in the first place. A trend seen in China, France, the UK, the US, to the degree that French researchers are trialling nicotine patches in health workers to see if this effect can be replicated.

iguana · 04-05-2020 10:30AM

Stheno wrote: »

I wouldn't expect private antibody tests to be available before September tbh
So far the only reliable tests

Two British clinics are offering private ELISA antibody tests as of the last few days. I'd happily pay the £100 if there was any way I could access one.

coastwatch · 04-05-2020 10:33AM

Touchee wrote: »

I agree that people with flu or cold symptoms should not be turning up for work. But, the problem is that a lot of employers do not pay for sick leave. Therefore, some people cannot afford to call in sick, unless they really are on their death bed

I wonder how much of the outbreaks in meat processing plants here and in the US are due to people with symptoms continuing to work, because of little or very low sick pay.

Some of these are large and very profitable companies, owned by some of the wealthiest people in the state, so affordability of a sick pay scheme is no excuse, but government support may be needed for the smaller companies.

These plants seem to be the current "weakest link" when it comes to containing the spread, and could be a continuing source of clusters and community spread.

Stheno · 04-05-2020 10:38AM

iguana wrote: »

Not unless you have a specific underlying condition it wouldn't. I clearly had/have it. My GP thinks I have it, the doctor who treated me in A&E thinks I had/have it. My secondary symptoms are now being realised as extremely common with it. My son almost certainly had it. The other people in my 'cluster' clearly had it. But with none of us having the specific underlying conditions we couldn't get tested. Actually though, you're a smoker right? That probably would get you a test.

Smokers are not a priority group

Its expected they'll drop the priority group requirement this week iirc once they've finish the care home testing

iguana · 04-05-2020 10:38AM

Wibbs wrote: »

It's not considered an underlying condition. I know a smoker who was refused a test.

It had been down on the HSE chart as something that would get you a test at the time I got ejected from the waiting list. I was half tempted to call up my GP and claim I was a smoker after all to get put back on the list. A friend of mine who was treated by paramedics during that time was told they couldn't test her because she didn't have an underlying condition and wasn't pregnant or a smoker. I think part of the reason they were prioritising the latter two was to study how smoking and pregnancy affected outcomes.

iamwhoiam · 04-05-2020 10:38AM

Wibbs wrote: »

+1 I'm certainly going to do one. The precise symptoms of that dose I had in January would get me a Covid19 test in a heartbeat these days. Ditto for a few people I know who had similar. Including one family who always get the flu jab, already had a flu in early December and had gone on a European break at Christmas and came back with a dose, which I caught from them. Just sounds too coincidental to me. Maybe there were two strains of flu going on? That's the only way I can think to explain it without involving Covid19

Our family had a dose in December .Christmas was wash out and we were floored. A child first had a bit of an off day and a few sniffles then with a few days between each of us we all got sick . Both my husband and I got the flu jab two weeks prior to the illness .
Three adults had the same symptoms, aches in muscles , pain in back , awful chills and fever , pressure on the sinuses, sore throat , then the cough arrived and it was horrendous. The two younger members were so ill that they could barely mind the children .Another nana had to go and take the children and look after them
I had to be taken to Affidea clinic with breathlessness and a heavy chest and a dreadfull cough. The doctor said it was most likely viral but she was worried about secondary pneumonia and put me on steroids and an anti biotic .
The cough lasted 10 days and the tiredness lasted well into January .
I have no idea if it was Covid but it sure sounds like it .

And this is interesting .

https://extra.ie/2020/04/28/news/irish-news/covid-19-was-present-in-irish-hopitals-two-weeks-before-first-positive-test

Gynoid · 04-05-2020 10:43AM

coastwatch wrote: »

I wonder how much of the outbreaks in meat processing plants here and in the US are due to people with symptoms continuing to work, because of little or very low sick pay.

Some of these are large and very profitable companies, owned by some of the wealthiest people in the state, so affordability of a sick pay scheme is no excuse, but government support may be needed for the smaller companies.

These plants seem to be the current "weakest link" when it comes to containing the spread, and could be a continuing source of clusters and community spread.

The won't be the only weakest link. There are places I know where there is no sick pay. Before restrictions anyone who said they felt sick was immediately told to go home and self isolate for 2 weeks. No pay. Anyone who got sick after that happened the first few said nothing and kept turning up being sick. I do not expect it will be any different going forwards. I reckon there are a LOT of places similar. I know there are. That's the kind of stuff that happens when Unions are castrated, and people are made feel disposable on short term no benefits contracts. It's how money and greed and lack of honour made things.

Stheno · 04-05-2020 10:44AM

iguana wrote: »

Two British clinics are offering private ELISA antibody tests as of the last few days. I'd happily pay the £100 if there was any way I could access one.

Interesting, I'd be the same to be honest

Is it the one from Roche that's approved by the EU?
Think that's the only one approved and its 99.8% accurate and 100% specific iirc

iamwhoiam · 04-05-2020 10:45AM

I noticed in the road map that children and never referred to before September . Four people can meet in an outdoor setting with distance on the 18th .Does that include an child who is capable of distancing .
In my opinion they will have to allow a small group of 2-3 children play together before September to assess if it has any impact on numbers before schools open .

Stheno · 04-05-2020 10:48AM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I noticed in the road map that children and never referred to before September . Four people can meet in an outdoor setting with distance on the 18th .Does that include an child who is capable of distancing .
In my opinion they will have to allow a small group of 2-3 children play together before September to assess if it has any impact on numbers before schools open .

Its four people from different households so two parents and two children or four older children?

dePeatrick · 04-05-2020 10:52AM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Our family had a dose in December .Christmas was wash out and we were floored. A child first had a bit of an off day and a few sniffles then with a few days between each of us we all got sick . Both my husband and I got the flu jab two weeks prior to the illness .
Three adults had the same symptoms, aches in muscles , pain in back , awful chills and fever , pressure on the sinuses, sore throat , then the cough arrived and it was horrendous. The two younger members were so ill that they could barely mind the children .Another nana had to go and take the children and look after them
I had to be taken to Affidea clinic with breathlessness and a heavy chest and a dreadfull cough. The doctor said it was most likely viral but she was worried about secondary pneumonia and put me on steroids and an anti biotic .
The cough lasted 10 days and the tiredness lasted well into January .
I have no idea if it was Covid but it sure sounds like it .

And this is interesting .

https://extra.ie/2020/04/28/news/irish-news/covid-19-was-present-in-irish-hopitals-two-weeks-before-first-positive-test

That sounds awful, and like Covid but it could have been a bad flu, jabs only cover 70% of flus each year. I fully understand how you feel you have had it and should be immune now hopefully, yet without an antibody test it is impossible to say for sure.

iamwhoiam · 04-05-2020 10:52AM

Stheno wrote: »

Its four people from different households so two parents and two children or four older children?

Thank you .,Is that mentioned in the road map

Wibbs · 04-05-2020 10:56AM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

And this is interesting .

https://extra.ie/2020/04/28/news/irish-news/covid-19-was-present-in-irish-hopitals-two-weeks-before-first-positive-test

TBH I seriously doubt Covid19 was present in this country in December and certainly not November. I'd be gobsmacked if it was. While there was an upswing in hospital admissions leading up to Christmas for pneumonia it was small and it dropped off until the Covid dose actually came along, which wouldn't be the case if it was Covid all along. It would just keep going up. Similar was seen in Italy. Upswing in pneumonia cases before christmas which started to drop off, then a massive swing of pneumonia cases and widespread deaths.

The only reason I'd get a test in my case is because of the circumstances around the virus I caught in January. Specifically the guys I caught if from had the flu dose in early December, went away overseas over christmas and came back with a very different dose. No sinus involvement, no sniffles and started with a sore throat and the non productive cough and fever hit at about the same time.

owlbethere · 04-05-2020 10:56AM

I vaguely remember in the early days of march, maybe around St Patricks day, in Leo's speech, he said there was a covid sick pay. I haven't heard anything about it since. My understanding is if you get sick, or belong to a cluster and need to go home and isolate, there is a covid sick pay.

I think it's different from the covid payment where the payment was paid to those laid off from jobs due to closures.

iguana · 04-05-2020 10:57AM

Stheno wrote: »

Interesting, I'd be the same to be honest

Is it the one from Roche that's approved by the EU?
Think that's the only one approved and its 99.8% accurate and 100% specific iirc

I'm not sure who manufactured it, but it says it's CE approved so I assume that's it as I think there is only one CE approved test. Private Harley St only do onsite testing or they send a contracted nurse to your home. Blue Horizons will send you a kit if you can arrange your own blood draw and send it back. If I thought there was any way I could realistically arrange the latter I'd do it. I can't imagine asking anyone I know to take my bloods though. And then getting it back to England with the way international post is right now would just be too unreliable.

ek motor · 04-05-2020 11:00AM

'Coronavirus kills people an average of a decade before their time, studies find'

https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-kills-people-an-average-of-a-decade-before-their-time-11588424401

Christy42 · 04-05-2020 11:00AM

If it was here in December when we took no measures to stop it spreading. Shouldn't it have absolutely wrecked our hospital system with admissions? I mean we should have noticed hospitals overflowing with a single disease causing breathing problems so it is unlikely to have been here.

Unless China simply got unlucky and it had spread the world and they were the ones that had gotten a deadly mutation of it which then spread.

Funsterdelux · 04-05-2020 11:02AM

Wombatman · 04-05-2020 11:04AM

When they are announcing the number of positive cases each day, it would helpful if they announced the number of corresponding negatives, which would give the total number of tests for that day (OK maybe add inconclusives too).

I understand they may not have done this at the start, because of our embarrassing test capacity, but no reason not to do it now.

Dante7 · 04-05-2020 11:06AM

iguana wrote: »

I'm not sure who manufactured it, but it says it's CE approved so I assume that's it as I think there is only one CE approved test. Private Harley St only do onsite testing or they send a contracted nurse to your home. Blue Horizons will send you a kit if you can arrange your own blood draw and send it back. If I thought there was any way I could realistically arrange the latter I'd do it. I can't imagine asking anyone I know to take my bloods though. And then getting it back to England with the way international post is right now would just be too unreliable.

The Blue Horizons antibody test only needs a pin prick of blood. They say the test is for UK residents only. I wonder could it be sent through parcel motel.

https://bluehorizonbloodtests.co.uk/collections/covid-19-coronavirus-tests

Danno · 04-05-2020 11:06AM

fritzelly wrote: »

...Just going by the number of people on this thread if it was coronavirus then it would have been rampant thru the country and hospitals should have been overloaded - but they weren't...

Were you hiding under a rock last winter?

Our hospitals were overloaded. Speak to any front-line HSE worker and they'll tell you the same. A doctor for CareDoc in the south east said he has never seen anything like the amount of illness in his 30-years experience. Plenty of similar stories all over the country. Wake up.

antodeco · 04-05-2020 11:08AM

There could be a possibility that the first wave was late last year. We are now in the second wave of the virus which is why it's a lot worse

Gynoid · 04-05-2020 11:08AM

owlbethere wrote: »

I vaguely remember in the early days of march, maybe around St Patricks day, in Leo's speech, he said there was a covid sick pay. I haven't heard anything about it since. My understanding is if you get sick, or belong to a cluster and need to go home and isolate, there is a covid sick pay.

I think it's different from the covid payment where the payment was paid to those laid off from jobs due to closures.

That will be better if so. In other countries it has been the poorer sections of society hit hardest. I think it is - among other factors - because of things like no sick pay, no job security, no savings, which limits options for responding to disease at the individual level. And then there might be a genetic element also. Deaths in affluent areas of south east England are 16.4 per 100000. There are poorer council estates in London where deaths are 144 per 100000. I know there are health issues and higher mortality previously associated with poverty but covid continues the trend.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-52506979

The gangs are shutting down the favelas in South America because they know the poorer people will be hardest hit.

Stheno · 04-05-2020 11:12AM

Wibbs wrote: »

TBH I seriously doubt Covid19 was present in this country in December and certainly not November. I'd be gobsmacked if it was. While there was an upswing in hospital admissions leading up to Christmas for pneumonia it was small and it dropped off until the Covid dose actually came along, which wouldn't be the case if it was Covid all along. It would just keep going up. Similar was seen in Italy. Upswing in pneumonia cases before christmas which started to drop off, then a massive swing of pneumonia cases and widespread deaths.

The only reason I'd get a test in my case is because of the circumstances around the virus I caught in January. Specifically the guys I caught if from had the flu dose in early December, went away overseas over christmas and came back with a very different dose. No sinus involvement, no sniffles and started with a sore throat and the non productive cough and fever hit at about the same time.

I'd agree ref Dec

The ski trips in my office started in January and I'd suspect that's what started it but who knows tbh

04-05-2020 11:15AM

Christy42 wrote: »

If it was here in December when we took no measures to stop it spreading. Shouldn't it have absolutely wrecked our hospital system with admissions? I mean we should have noticed hospitals overflowing with a single disease causing breathing problems so it is unlikely to have been here.

Unless China simply got unlucky and it had spread the world and they were the ones that had gotten a deadly mutation of it which then spread.

It takes time to spread. If it turns out the vast majority don't require hospitalisation which seems to be the case, it's perfectly plausible it was in Ireland slowly spreading until it hits a point where exponential growth suddenly means loads of at risk people started getting it.

There is no reason to think that it would have inundated hospitals at the start. It takes time for people to be able to pass it on and for it to reach a critical level. There is arguably less logic in saying it arrived on some flights and a few weeks later, thousands of people were getting it.. It takes time.

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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