Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

stephenjmcd · 02-05-2020 11:51AM

ICU now has less than 100 Covid patients for the first time in a month. 99 confirmed cases in ICU across the country as of last night.

Gynoid · 02-05-2020 11:53AM

Gael23 wrote: »

According to google maps it’s 27km

I can tell you with my one if it was only 27km distance they would be around here trashing the gaff morning noon and night. Just go and visit your grandparents when the 20km thing comes into effect and don't even think twice.

timsey tiger · 02-05-2020 11:54AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Ye could meet where the circles intersect.

A ∩ B

But grand parents can't leave home, to meet up with other people if over 70.

Snow Garden · 02-05-2020 12:19PM

speckle wrote: »

He is a terrible public speaker.. like a robot.

Ah now hold on a second - can you imagine for one minute where we would be if Enda was in charge? The thought is frightening.

I think Leo is much better speaker than both Simons too. Coveney has to be coached before he says a word. It's easy to spout the same Brexit nonsense for months on end. Backstop anyone?

timsey tiger · 02-05-2020 12:26PM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

By stating that this was in the nursing homes before it was introduced to many of them by sending positive cases to free up hospital beds.

I don't know if this is true, but I think it could be, as initially they were legitimately panicked by the models predicting runaway numbers and all efforts went into increasing hospital capacity.

I think when the dust settles, our response should be studied and any mistakes made should at least be acknowledged. Although this won't happen as politicians and managers never do this, unless absolutely cornered.

timsey tiger · 02-05-2020 12:30PM

Snow Garden wrote: »

Ah now hold on a second - can you imagine for one minute where we would be if Enda was in charge? The thought is frightening.

I think Leo is much better speaker than both Simons too. Coveney has to be coached before he says a word. It's easy to spout the same Brexit nonsense for months on end. Backstop anyone?

It is painful to watch Coveney being interviewed. They say he is not "book smart", I don't doubt it.

zerosugarbuzz · 02-05-2020 12:32PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

But grand parents can't leave home, to meet up with other people if over 70.

Over 70's can leave home the same as everyone else. It is recommended that they stay home not mandated. Though you wouldn't think that listening to most of the media.

branie2 · 02-05-2020 12:38PM

Cinemas are reopening in August, but it'll be worth the wait.

owlbethere · 02-05-2020 12:43PM

Snow Garden wrote: »

Ah now hold on a second - can you imagine for one minute where we would be if Enda was in charge? The thought is frightening.

He would be attending EU meetings telling them we all went mad going on holidays to Italy. He will then tell us a tale about meeting a man holding two pints, and claim that we all went out to hold two pints.

Strumms · 02-05-2020 12:51PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

I don't know if this is true, but I think it could, be as initially they were legitimately panicked by the models predicting runaway numbers and all efforts went into increasing hospital capacity.

I think when the dust settles, our response should be studied and any mistakes made should at least be acknowledged. Although this won't happen as politicians and managers never do this, unless absolutely cornered.

Things ‘could’ have been handled differently, my main criticism and one which many of us might have predicted was being slow to close borders and lockdown... but it’s an unprecedented time, we have a right wing government so you can’t be amazed that even in times of unprecedented danger their primary loyalty isn’t you and me, even the economy it’s continuing to allow money makers and businesses to flourish even if that means that the cost is illness and death. It’s their ‘natural instinct’. That class of classless individual sees success in terms of balance sheets, everything else is secondary , no matter the cost... everyone else sees success now as lives saved and doing WHATEVER necessary to do it, we’ll knuckle down, rebuild, re-establish the economy and social aspects of our lives later.. it won’t be difficult, we are responsible, resourceful and hard working... so don’t give in to grubby businessmen, the hands of greed, the examples we set are the ones of our good instincts and conscience, fûck them and lift the phone if needs be.

Jinglejangle69 · 02-05-2020 12:59PM

Spanish aloowed out to exercise for the first time in 7 weeks today.

Bit of perspective is needed.

WoollyRedHat · 02-05-2020 01:00PM

Does anyone know when we can do the Hokey Pokey again?

8-10 · 02-05-2020 01:05PM

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

Over 70's can leave home the same as everyone else. It is recommended that they stay home not mandated. Though you wouldn't think that listening to most of the media.

Why would they ignore guidance of the government and public health officials during a pandemic?

This forum recommends you don't be a dick. It's not mandated that you're not, but why would you choose to be if that's the guidance?

timsey tiger · 02-05-2020 01:08PM

Strumms wrote: »

Things ‘could’ have been handled differently, my main criticism and one which many of us might have predicted was being slow to close borders and lockdown... but it’s an unprecedented time, we have a right wing government so you can’t be amazed that even in times of unprecedented danger their primary loyalty isn’t you and me, even the economy it’s continuing to allow money makers and businesses to flourish even if that means that the cost is illness and death. It’s their ‘natural instinct’. That class of classless individual sees success in terms of balance sheets, everything else is secondary , no matter the cost... everyone else sees success now as lives saved and doing WHATEVER necessary to do it, we’ll knuckle down, rebuild, re-establish the economy and social aspects of our lives later.. it won’t be difficult, we are responsible, resourceful and hard working... so don’t give in to grubby businessmen, the hands of greed, the examples we set are the ones of our good instincts and conscience, fûck them and lift the phone if needs be.

I don't buy this. No politician left or right wants to tank the economy or cause needless suffering to its population, that it will be asking for a vote a few years down the line.

I think they are just way too over cautious, afraid of our media and afraid of upsetting our European partners, who had no problems closing borders and siezing ppe.

A shorter stricter earlier lock-down with borders closed to movement of people, would have suited left and right, it just needed the balls our cautious politicians don't have. This is across the board, people forget that Sinn Fein voted to bailout the banks.

ronano · 02-05-2020 01:15PM

branie2 wrote: »

Cinemas are reopening in August, but it'll be worth the wait.

didn't see that referenced in the plan or online, got a link?

Tommybojangles · 02-05-2020 01:15PM

What's the angle on here today? Is the government a joke for being too cautious and only listening to doctors or are they a joke for being reckless and only caring about money?
I cant keep up

Strumms · 02-05-2020 01:24PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

I don't buy this. No politician left or right wants to tank the economy or cause needless suffering to its population, that it will be asking for a vote a few years down the line.

I think they are just way too over cautious, afraid of our media and afraid of upsetting our European partners, who had no problems closing borders and siezing ppe.

A shorter stricter earlier lock-down with borders closed to movement of people, would have suited left and right, it just needed the balls our cautious politicians don't have. This is across the board, people forget that Sinn Fein voted to bailout the banks.

I think we are in fact agreeing, a more proactive call on lockdown was needed and the balls to make it happen and enforce it too.

timsey tiger · 02-05-2020 01:26PM

Strumms wrote: »

I think we are in fact agreeing, a more proactive call on lockdown was needed and the balls to make it happen and enforce it too.

For sure, I just don't think left or right came into it.

timsey tiger · 02-05-2020 01:29PM

Tommybojangles wrote: »

What's the angle on here today? Is the government a joke for being too cautious and only listening to doctors or are they a joke for being reckless and only caring about money?
I cant keep up

Need a poll, I'm for a tragedy for being too cautious. The should have ripped if the bandage straight away, like Soeul did and said sorry for the loss of privacy later when everybody was safe and well.

Wibbs · 02-05-2020 01:34PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

A shorter stricter earlier lock-down with borders closed to movement of people, would have suited left and right, it just needed the balls our cautious politicians don't have. This is across the board, people forget that Sinn Fein voted to bailout the banks.

Yeah it's across the board alright, but I'm not so sure it's entirely caution, more a fear of making a clear move that could come back to bite them and they'd have to take responsibility for. Even then bugger all would happen, save for some "tribunal" that would line a few barrister's pockets and being seen to do the right thing. The electorate can have short memories too, which politicians in democracies tend to rely on.

With this crisis they can always pull the hindsight defence with a sideorder of pointing fingers at nations who did worse than us, while ignoring those who did much better. Keep it all calm and measured for the suburban housewives and job done.

8-10 · 02-05-2020 01:39PM

ronano wrote: »

didn't see that referenced in the plan or online, got a link?

Leo mentioned it would be in a further phase in his speech, Irish Times have reported on it being August:

A phased return to normal work will start around this time. Shopping centres will reopen as well as theatres and cinemas that can maintain social distancing.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-the-reopening-ireland-plan-in-detail-1.4242985?mode=amp

JP Liz V1 · 02-05-2020 01:45PM

99 currently in ICU

hmmm · 02-05-2020 01:45PM

Strumms wrote: »

I think we are in fact agreeing, a more proactive call on lockdown was needed and the balls to make it happen and enforce it too.

The public support was not there for an earlier lockdown.

I think the timing was right. Public support was there so it didn't require heavy-handed enforcement, and groups like the vitners couldn't complain. Some people will only tolerate a short lockdown for whatever reason, so we didn't want to impose it too early.

Hego Damask · 02-05-2020 01:58PM

Micheal O Leary was saying July flights would resume, but I go to ryanair.com now and I can buy a flight from Dublin-Barcelona from May22 - May 24 ?

Why are that site still taking bookings ? surely that's illegal, especially when their CEO has said it will be July earliest when Ryanair resumes flights

timsey tiger · 02-05-2020 01:59PM

hmmm wrote: »

The public support was not there for an earlier lockdown.

I think the timing was right. Public support was there so it didn't require heavy-handed enforcement, and groups like the vitners couldn't complain. Some people will only tolerate a short lockdown for whatever reason, so we didn't want to impose it too early.

Well I didn't say lack of balls for no reason.

Leaders are supposed to lead, not follow public opinion.

iamwhoiam · 02-05-2020 02:01PM

There was no mention of children at all . I presume when families are allowed visit each other it includes children ?
Then in my opinion two or three kids will have to be allowed play together before they open schools again ,
That way it can be assessed if its a problem that needs addressing

hmmm · 02-05-2020 02:05PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

Well I didn't say lack of balls for no reason.

Leaders are supposed to lead, not follow public opinion.

Introducing a lock-down when public support wasn't there would have been a disaster. We'd have needed heavy-handed enforcement by the Guards which is not part of who we are.

As it is compliance has been mostly great, and most people have understood the need for personal responsibility.

owlbethere · 02-05-2020 02:06PM

A step to ease restrictions is allow small get-togethers from the 18th? Is that right? I think 4 people from different households can meet so long as they can maintain social distancing of 2 metres apart.

Did I get that part right?

Did Leo just rib a new arsehole for parents of teenagers? I can't see how teenagers meeting up and staying metres apart. I think there could be a lot of agro in families this summer.

I could also see people become a little bit comfortable and gain an attitude like:

'sure we'll be allowed to meet next week, or after, so I might as well meet now. What's the point.....'

Or something like that.

hmmm · 02-05-2020 02:09PM

owlbethere wrote: »

A step to ease restrictions is allow small get-togethers from the 18th? Is that right? I think 4 people from different households can meet so long as they can maintain social distancing of 2 metres apart.

Did I get that part right?

Yes correct.

Did Leo just rib a new arsehole for parents of teenagers? I can't see how teenagers meeting up and staying metres apart. I think there could be a lot of agro in families this summer.

Can't keep everyone happy. It falls on all of us to try and be responsible, as we have to try and get society and our economy reopened as safely as possible.

Strazdas · 02-05-2020 02:14PM

owlbethere wrote: »

A step to ease restrictions is allow small get-togethers from the 18th? Is that right? I think 4 people from different households can meet so long as they can maintain social distancing of 2 metres apart.

Did I get that part right?

Did Leo just rib a new arsehole for parents of teenagers? I can't see how teenagers meeting up and staying metres apart. I think there could be a lot of agro in families this summer.

I could also see people become a little bit comfortable and gain an attitude like:

'sure we'll be allowed to meet next week, or after, so I might as well meet now. What's the point.....'

Or something like that.

He discussed this in his LLS interview. He said four people can meet up outdoors......sitting at a table at a barbecue would be acceptable for example (or standing for that matter).

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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