Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

branie2 · 01-05-2020 01:24PM

The nursing home that my grandmother lives in thankfully tested negative to the virus.

BorneTobyWilde · 01-05-2020 01:29PM

For all we know we could be 10 months into this already. There is more immunity out there than they believe.

speckle · 01-05-2020 01:33PM

Our farming and processing companys need to ACT NOW. learn from the american canadian and german situation fast.
This link has been following the situation government ministers and public health and HSE this is required reading.

https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/united-states-2019-ncov/846612-trump-to-order-u-s-meat-plants-to-stay-open-amid-pandemic-6500-workers-affected-22-plants-closed/page11

I know there are differences between every country but their are also similarities.
Problem areas workers contaimnating each othet putting on and espescialy taking off PPE., canteen facilities, testing, no fault blaming if off workdue to covid, sick pay, delieverys. long shifts, visas etc etc
We can control the situation if willingly. Wake up now. Gosh ...not used to ranting!

Wibbs · 01-05-2020 01:35PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

For all we know we could be 10 months into this already. There is more immunity out there than they believe.

Eh six or eight months ago where were the many tens of thousands overwhelming the emergency rooms and then dying from very distinct lung pathologies in Italy, Spain, China, France, the US, the Southern American countries etc? It could have been in Europe and the US by early January alright, but ten months ago is a bloody nonsense.

Martina1991 · 01-05-2020 01:36PM

yourdeadwright wrote:

Instead of focusing on a vaccine which may never comp to pass would we not be better off trying to get home testing kits rolled out ? If you want to go visit a parent or to a wedding or something you just test yourself at home and if your clear off you go ?

Diagnostic testing should only be performed by qualified medical scientists in controlled laboratories, especially when it comes to important testing that has major impacts on society.

Home test kits will be completely unreliable. If they are not stored, handled or used correctly, the kit is compromised. How can you be sure your result is accurate. Look at the one carried on the Claire Byrne show.

How can we collect data about who is tested and who isn't if people are doing it themselves. I dont know why people think diagnostic testing is so easy or straightforward that anyone can do it.

wakka12 · 01-05-2020 01:38PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

For all we know we could be 10 months into this already. There is more immunity out there than they believe.

Less than we thought. Only 20-25% in NYC, even Dublin will be a fraction of this considering the difference in density, areas of Ireland outside Dublin are likely under 1% immunity

cnocbui · 01-05-2020 01:40PM

Tandey wrote: »

I guess this means we should only eat cured meat now..

Vegans are basically herbivores so I think they would do in a pinch.

Strazdas · 01-05-2020 01:46PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Less than we thought. Only 20-25% in NYC, even Dublin will be a fraction of this considering the difference in density, areas of Ireland outside Dublin are likely under 1% immunity

Most articles I've read on this suggest that immunity in Europe is probably very low at the moment (I'd be a bit sceptical about the NY figure). People who contracted mild versions of Covid mightn't even be immune at all.

I think the vaccine would be a better bet than anything connected to immunity.

Roger_007 · 01-05-2020 01:47PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

Diagnostic testing should only be performed by qualified medical scientists in controlled laboratories, especially when it comes to important testing that has major impacts on society.

Home test kits will be completely unreliable. If they are not stored, handled or used correctly, the kit is compromised. How can you be sure your result is accurate. Look at the one carried on the Claire Byrne show.

How can we collect data about who is tested and who isn't if people are doing it themselves. I dont know why people think diagnostic testing is so easy or straightforward that anyone can do it.

Mass testing is not really proper diagnostic testing at all. What we are trying to do is to carry out mass screening which always has a significant number of false results for all sorts of reasons. It is normally used to indicate when a proper diagnostic test should be done.

speckle · 01-05-2020 01:49PM

branie2 wrote: »

The nursing home that my grandmother lives in thankfully tested negative to the virus.

Great news for you and your family, you all must have been worried. Wishing your grandmother continued good health.

timsey tiger · 01-05-2020 01:49PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

Diagnostic testing should only be performed by qualified medical scientists in controlled laboratories, especially when it comes to important testing that has major impacts on society.

Home test kits will be completely unreliable. If they are not stored, handled or used correctly, the kit is compromised. How can you be sure your result is accurate. Look at the one carried on the Claire Byrne show.

How can we collect data about who is tested and who isn't if people are doing it themselves. I dont know why people think diagnostic testing is so easy or straightforward that anyone can do it.

My understanding is that there won't be a home test kit for,this. The test CB had was one for antibodies against it. In the early stages of the disease, you will be infectious but won't have developed the antibodies yet.

Snow Garden · 01-05-2020 01:51PM

MD1990 wrote: »

if restrictions were lifted now & possibly up to 1000 were dying a day in Ireland.
People would not go to work anyway & the economy would collapse but many mor people would be dead.

Time to just accept the situation & be thankful to have food on the table.

Ah will ye all stop with that oul virtue signalling guff, let's be a little more intelligent. Nobody said to lift all restrictions. Read my post again and see if you get the point.

Jesus Christ, this thread is just wall-to-wall with mindless stating-the-bleeding-obvious nonsense. Hardly any constructive debate.
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Strumms · 01-05-2020 01:52PM

Wibbs wrote: »

The CCP are dicks. You'll get no disagreement from me there. However we shouldn't be acting like whining schoolchildren playing the blame game while our dead pile up either.

Take our over a thousand people dead. We fucked up. It's quite as simple as that. We squandered our massive advantage of lower population density and island nation status and a couple of months warning from elsewhere. We've dilly dallied with testing, border control, contact tracing, masks, contradictory information, nursing homes, even our lockdown is beginning to be a sad farce, with one percentage relaxing or ignoring it and another lot having mental breakdowns because they are asked to stay the fuck home and watch netflix. Compare how we did with the Czechs, a landlocked nation of over double our population, double the year round tourist footfall, close to the ground zero hotspots like Italy and Austria(they share borders with Germany, Poland, Austria and Slovakia, and we're bitching and moaning about one border on the same fucking island??), who had people coming home from skiing and football matches just like us. At the start our numbers of infected and dead were very similar, only they got their finger out and implemented all of the above and what happened? Today our infection rates are six times worse and our deaths are twelve times worse than theirs. Is that China's fault too?

So do we whinge at China boo hoo, or look to our own incompetence? Do we still whinge while filling our homes and lives with Chinese made goods, a goodly proportion of which we don't actually need, but keep buying? The Chinese are xenophobic totalitarian dicks, but they're winning and we're losing. This virus has just illustrated that and illustrated our mediocrity. We've two choices; keep whinging and acting like muppets, or grow the fuck up and make positive and effective changes. And pigs might fly.

This is 100000% accurate, to a tee. We had EVERYTHING, in the way of advantages, low population density and being an island nation and we STILL go and make a bollôcks of it.

You still have the fûckwits saying stuff like.. “ well I want to go and take a bag of scones 5kms to my Aunt Marjorie, she’s on her own and loves scones and I love seeing her so I don’t care “. You don’t care that your behavior could mean that enough people get influenced to do the same, killing scores of people in the process, right ! :rolleyes:

A land of saints and scholars ? That myth is ending with a thump. A land of me feiners, attention seekers and needy selfish fûckwits ! :rolleyes:

aidoh · 01-05-2020 02:01PM

Strumms wrote: »

This is 100000% accurate, to a tee. We had EVERYTHING, in the way of advantages, low population density and being an island nation and we STILL go and make a bollôcks of it.

You still have the fûckwits saying stuff like.. “ well I want to go and take a bag of scones 5kms to my Aunt Marjorie, she’s on her own and loves scones and I love seeing her so I don’t care “. You don’t care that your behavior could mean that enough people get influenced to do the same, killing scores of people in the process, right ! :rolleyes:

A land of saints and scholars ? That myth is ending with a thump. A land of me feiners, attention seekers and needy selfish fûckwits ! :rolleyes:

What would be at all risky about leaving the scones on Aunty Marjorie's doorstep and having a little chat with her from the other end of her garden?

If you hate Ireland and it's people so much why don't you move somewhere better?

owlbethere · 01-05-2020 02:04PM

I'm not reading back on pages. Is livestock being effected now?

01-05-2020 02:06PM

Wibbs wrote: »

The CCP are dicks. You'll get no disagreement from me there. However we shouldn't be acting like whining schoolchildren playing the blame game while our dead pile up either.

Take our over a thousand people dead. We fucked up. It's quite as simple as that. We squandered our massive advantage of lower population density and island nation status and a couple of months warning from elsewhere. We've dilly dallied with testing, border control, contact tracing, masks, contradictory information, nursing homes, even our lockdown is beginning to be a sad farce, with one percentage relaxing or ignoring it and another lot having mental breakdowns because they are asked to stay the fuck home and watch netflix. Compare how we did with the Czechs, a landlocked nation of over double our population, double the year round tourist footfall, close to the ground zero hotspots like Italy and Austria(they share borders with Germany, Poland, Austria and Slovakia, and we're bitching and moaning about one border on the same fucking island??), who had people coming home from skiing and football matches just like us. At the start our numbers of infected and dead were very similar, only they got their finger out and implemented all of the above and what happened? Today our infection rates are six times worse and our deaths are twelve times worse than theirs. Is that China's fault too?

So do we whinge at China boo hoo, or look to our own incompetence? Do we still whinge while filling our homes and lives with Chinese made goods, a goodly proportion of which we don't actually need, but keep buying? The Chinese are xenophobic totalitarian dicks, but they're winning and we're losing. This virus has just illustrated that and illustrated our mediocrity. We've two choices; keep whinging and acting like muppets, or grow the fuck up and make positive and effective changes. And pigs might fly.

If you think China are winning and we're losing at anything, you've definitely not been to China :pac:

**** me

Theboinkmaster · 01-05-2020 02:06PM

owlbethere wrote: »

I'm not reading back on pages. Is livestock being effected now?

There’s a search function

Professor Moriarty · 01-05-2020 02:07PM

aidoh wrote: »

What would be at all risky about leaving the scones on Aunty Marjorie's doorstep and having a little chat with her from the other end of her garden?

If you hate Ireland and it's people so much why don't you move somewhere better?

I'd say they love Ireland and the Irish more than you.

aidoh · 01-05-2020 02:08PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I'd say they love Ireland and the Irish more than you.

Haha what are you basing that on Prof?

Strumms · 01-05-2020 02:08PM

aidoh wrote: »

What would be at all risky about leaving the scones on Aunty Marjorie's doorstep and having a little chat with her from the other end of her garden?

If you hate Ireland and it's people so much why don't you move somewhere better?

Why don’t you ask that question of those who imposed the restrictions ? They believe up to 3500 people have been saved by them thus far.

Why don’t I move ? Because I’m obeying social restrictions!

I don’t ‘hate’ Ireland just the behaviors of a minority who fûck things up for the law abiding majority.

Martina1991 · 01-05-2020 02:11PM

Roger_007 wrote:

Mass testing is not really proper diagnostic testing at all. What we are trying to do is to carry out mass screening which always has a significant number of false results for all sorts of reasons. It is normally used to indicate when a proper diagnostic test should be done.

If the plan was to test the whole population to see who has the virus, then that is a diagnostic test. To diagnose those who have SARS CoV 2.

Screening tests are also still carried out in a medical diagnostic laboratory, not by the public.

And a good screening test won't have a significant amount of false results. A test wouldn't be used for screening if it had wasn't very sensitive or specific.

aidoh · 01-05-2020 02:12PM

Strumms wrote: »

Why don’t you ask that question of those who imposed the restrictions ?

I don’t ‘hate’ Ireland just the behaviors of a minority who fûck things up for the law abiding majority.

Fair enough I took you up wrong. Assumed that you were giving out stink about Irish whingers like Wibbs' post did, while having a little whinge yourself.

I think the restrictions are necessary and am sticking by them but like many I'm not finding it easy and am critical of the mob mentality creeping into Irish life where people are shamed for "dropping off scones to Aunty Marjorie" etc.

What Username Guidelines · 01-05-2020 02:19PM

Spain closed their temporary field hospital in Madrid today after treating >4,000 patients. Good news. But the crowds of politicians are concerning.

https://www.lavanguardia.com/local/madrid/20200501/48878749236/ayuso-cierre-ifema-criticas.html

political analyst · 01-05-2020 02:22PM

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-the-lockdown-have-side-effects-no-one-has-considered?fbclid=IwAR26o1sM8Xw3OCGMtzwTRnlVKgmHnIAsBnypAwq4lv54up5UTaCZ1N12MHA

Former consultant pathologist and recently retired pathology professor Dr John Lee wrote that, because SARS-CoV-2 is a single-stranded RNA virus - and thus susceptible to copying errors, some particles will infect people with a less serious form of Covid-19 and that they're more likely to spread it as they move around but also that those with the more severe form are less likely to move around and thus are less likely to infect others. That is the evolutionary effect because the more severe form would fizzle out while the less severe form would spread.

He asks whether those taken to hospital with the more severe form have slightly 'nastier' particles of the virus and thus spread the infection to staff and vulnerable patients there. He thinks the 'nastier' particles are getting an advantage over the milder particles because of this.

So, lockdown might actually be slowing the tendency of this new disease to get milder with time. Which raises an important question: might the lockdown be causing more harm than good — in this way as well as many others? Are our actions really helping overall? Or are they opposing a helpful evolutionary tendency of the virus, as well as economically hindering our ability to deal with it? The epidemiological models are silent on this. What’s worse, their predictions of how the virus behaves will be inaccurate if such an effect is present.

Hospitals create the perfect viral storm, containing everything needed for rapid evolution: huge numbers of reproducing units (the virus), an environment for rapid reproduction to take place in (patients and staff), and selection pressures (things that alter how the virus spreads, such as density of people, severity of disease, or length of survival).

All of this raises an important question: might lockdown be frustrating a helpful evolutionary tendency of the virus, as well as economically hindering our ability to deal with it? The epidemiological models are silent on this. Most studies so far suggest that this virus is not mutating in a way that meaningfully changes its nature. But we are learning more about Covid all the time.

He wrote that, despite the lockdown, it may be the case that evolution of the virus is happening anyway.

If it is true that Covid-19 has already spread quite widely in the country, it is possible that lockdown won’t be having much additional effect on viral nastiness. (This is something that we should already have been examining with community testing.) But for now the question remains: is it better to lock everyone down in hope of reducing a wave of severe cases, but with no real understanding of the wider effects on the virus or society at large? Or would it have been better to adopt what’s often described as the ‘herd immunity’ strategy and let the virus continue to circulate among younger, fitter people, diminishing its severity, while doing our best to protect and support those with greater vulnerabilities? Should we be rapidly reversing lockdown to help the virus help us? In this view, spread of the virus by people with no symptoms is a good thing because it helps the virus get milder more quickly. We have embarked on a drastic path without even considering the possibility. Now, more than ever, we need robust and open discussion about whether we are on the right course.

Gael23 · 01-05-2020 02:25PM

The team at Oxfoord say they can produce 1 million doses of vaccine per month should it be successful. That would take 5 years just to cover the UK and Ireland

bennyl10 · 01-05-2020 02:28PM

Gael23 wrote: »

The team at Oxfoord say they can produce 1 million doses of vaccine per month should it be successful. That would take 5 years just to cover the UK and Ireland

If proven to work there’ll be worldwide mass production of it though.

At the moment if no one else buys in then, yes

speckle · 01-05-2020 02:29PM

owlbethere wrote: »

I'm not reading back on pages. Is livestock being effected now?

1000s testing positive in meat processing plants. leading to shut downs and mass culling of pigs chickens etc ...in 100,000s.
Farmers giving away food before it rots in the fields and some localised shortages due to disuption in food chain.
Some scientific work done saying cows pigs sheep have similiar ACE2 receptors that could put them at risk as they are mammals like humans. No cases yet tested positive in the above thankfully. etc etc

ShayNanigan · 01-05-2020 02:31PM

I'm not sure anymore which rules apply and which do not. There's an impromptu birthday party in my neighbourhood. Relatives of one of my neighbours were just going to pop by and wave from their car to wish one of the kids happy birthday. After a while encouraged by the shouts of "oh gwan now, you can stay a while" they left the car and there's a lovely gaggle of people outside definitely not keeping a distance some of them also popping inside the house now for a cuppa. What part of Skype or Zoom call don't people get?!

Oh well, I guess anything goes now. After all, we've flattened the curve, right? And as long as everyone stays outdoors, it's ok?

RugbyLad11 · 01-05-2020 02:34PM

Gael23 wrote: »

The team at Oxfoord say they can produce 1 million doses of vaccine per month should it be successful. That would take 5 years just to cover the UK and Ireland

Yeah but if a pharma company buys it then production would be increased

RugbyLad11 · 01-05-2020 02:40PM

Gael23 wrote: »

The team at Oxfoord say they can produce 1 million doses of vaccine per month should it be successful. That would take 5 years just to cover the UK and Ireland

Yeah but if a pharma company buys it then production would be increased

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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