Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

thomas 123 · 01-05-2020 11:50AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Instead of focusing on a vaccine which may never comp to pass would we not be better off trying to get home testing kits rolled out ?
If you want to go visit a parent or to a wedding or something you just test yourself at home and if your clear off you go ?

Good luck policing that.

yourdeadwright · 01-05-2020 11:54AM

gabeeg wrote: »

You want a home testing kit INSTEAD of a vaccine?

okee dokee

No no no sorry , I mean a home testing kit can surely be rolled out well before a vaccine will be ready ,m

Wibbs · 01-05-2020 11:56AM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

That video is such bad taste

Imagine making fun of a country during a serious virus outbreak and then add in fact that you're the reason for this serious virus outbreak.. trying to cover up virus in the beginning, arresting doctors, and allowing over 5 million people to leave wuhan etc

The point of the video still stands; regardless of its origin the US authorities had plenty of time to see what was what with this virus, they saw it in the Far East, they saw it in Europe, and they have failed spectacularly to step up and mitigate it. Instead they have a blowhard at the helm happier tweeting, tweeting FFS, brushing it off as nothing, ignoring advice, musing on bleach and light injections and looking to his re-election while tens of thousands of the people he's supposed to represent lay dead and dying.

Then also add in the fact that the country you picking on the the global super power, this will not end well for China. You can only poke a bear so much

Well I can only hope cooler heads prevail, because if violence kicks off then the world is really fcuked. Given the muppets in the White House this has been my worry for a while.

RugbyLad11 · 01-05-2020 11:57AM

Wibbs wrote: »

I have little time for the Communist party of China, but good Christ they're not wrong in that vid and America is year on year looking more and more like the plot of the film Idiocracy and the handling of this crisis shows that up only too well. This isn't about Trump either, he's merely a horrible symptom of a nation on the slide. They can argue about how many votes he got or didn't get, but the fact remains around half the voters voted for that halfwit snakeoil salesman. This is a culture that defined the 20th century, that put a man on the moon FFS, and it was often good ol boys in pickups involved in that. It's very sad to see.

Don't you think it's incredibly bad taste? Considering even in Ireland over a thousand of people died from this virus in Ireland alone.

Let's not forget the CCP covered this virus up in the beginning, if they didn't do this it's possible that the virus would've never leaving China

This is also the same CCP who threatened to stop exporting medical ppe to the Holland in the middle of a bloody pandemic because Holland complained about the quality.

The sane CCP who has made lots of journalist disappear after they reported on the wuhan virus

What Username Guidelines · 01-05-2020 11:59AM

thomas 123 wrote: »

Good luck policing that.

I think this is one of the main issues we'll see as we ease restrictions. Not the fact that things can or cannot be policed, but rather the fact they shouldn't need to be policed by the police. This whole effort will require lots of collective responsibility by everyone, but if things are suggested by the government they're met with an attitude of "well you can't make me."

ChelseaRentBoy · 01-05-2020 12:02PM

silverharp wrote: »

the first line should be , we accidentally released a new virus because we copy everything and make mistakes, then covered it up while we thought we could get away with it

Until Taiwan called them out on it

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-taiwan/taiwan-says-who-ignored-its-coronavirus-questions-at-start-of-outbreak-idUSKBN21B160

Either way it's incredibly worrying what is developing between the US and China. Trump and Xi are both power mad idiots and i can see this ending badly.

thomas 123 · 01-05-2020 12:02PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

I think this is one of the main issues we'll see as we ease restrictions. Not the fact that things can or cannot be policed, but rather the fact they shouldn't need to be policed by the police. This whole effort will require lots of collective responsibility by everyone, but if things are suggested by the government they're met with an attitude of "well you can't make me."

Exactly, therefore it’s not possible, thats my point.

Tandey · 01-05-2020 12:03PM

FBD are giving all their private car insurance customers a €35 One4all voucher.

schmoo2k · 01-05-2020 12:04PM

silverharp wrote: »

the first line should be , we accidentally released a new virus because we copy everything and make mistakes, then covered it up while we thought we could get away with it

...not so much anymore - they are at the forefront of research in many fields now and are on the cusp of accelerating ahead of the rest of the world...

schmoo2k · 01-05-2020 12:07PM

Tandey wrote: »

FBD are giving all their private car insurance customers a €35 One4all voucher.

I was hoping they would simply offer their lowest rate for renewal this year instead:
* Cheaper from an accounting point of view
* Customer retention
* Probably more than 35euro in my pocket

(I hate the whole phone around game every year)

bb12 · 01-05-2020 12:08PM

chinese ambassador to the UK on hardtalk on bbc last night.

when questioned did he accept the virus started in wuhan , refused to accept it...tried to deflect basically saying it could have started anywhere

china currently on a major propaganda drive to deflect any blame

speckle · 01-05-2020 12:11PM

ek motor wrote: »

Closure of one of the country's largest meat processing plants due to Covid-19 outbreak among staff.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0501/1135981-covid-19-cases-plant/

yep was asking about this here 10 days ago because the US plants were having a real hard time with 1000s workers infected,multiple plants closing and 100,000s animals being killed as waste. Terrible for all.
Teageasc had alot of info on their website for farmers, vets, milkers, delieverys etc. Even videos . I suspose foot and mouth helped them prepare.
Shame if some processing companys didnt follow best practise.

https://www.teagasc.ie/about/our-organisation/covid-19/
https://www.teagasc.ie/rural-economy/farm-management/adverse-events/covid-19/
https://www.teagasc.ie/publications/2020/tips-for-milking-during-covid-19.php
mental health farming covid.

https://www.mentalhealthireland.ie/your-mental-health/farming-resilience/
Please if your out and about on your 2k dont touch farm gates. thanks

RugbyLad11 · 01-05-2020 12:14PM

Wibbs wrote: »

The point of the video still stands; regardless of its origin the US authorities had plenty of time to see what was what with this virus, they saw it in the Far East, they saw it in Europe, and they have failed spectacularly to step up and mitigate it. Instead they have a blowhard at the helm happier tweeting, tweeting FFS, brushing it off as nothing, ignoring advice, musing on bleach and light injections and looking to his re-election while tens of thousands of the people he's supposed to represent lay dead and dying.

Well I can only hope cooler heads prevail, because if violence kicks off then the world is really fcuked. Given the muppets in the White House this has been my worry for a while.

I get what you're saying I know the US ain't doing a great job.

But you're just following the CCP propaganda to deflect the virus blame from them, I have lived in China the people are lovely the the CCP are truly evil.

seamus · 01-05-2020 12:21PM

bb12 wrote: »

when questioned did he accept the virus started in wuhan , refused to accept it...tried to deflect basically saying it could have started anywhere

Well, he's not entirely wrong. It seems unlikely it started anywhere except China, but we don't know for a fact that patient zero was in Wuhan.

The governor of California has order all autopsy samples back to December to be tested for Covid. If other countries were to do the same, then we should be able to more accurately track this back.

I don't buy the, "Everyone had a bad cold in November, that must have been Coronavirus" narrative. However, we do know that most countries had cases weeks before their first confirmed lab test.

So being able to go back and find out when each country had its earliest cases; especially ones predating the availability of a test; should give us a better insight into tracing its origins.

China is stonewalling the whole thing though which makes me suspicious. I'm not convinced on the Wuhan lab theory, I think it's more likely that they were just burying bodies and not reporting the outbreak to the WHO until it became impossible to hide.

cloudatlas · 01-05-2020 12:23PM

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

They were always free to be out if they wished. Albeit a risk.Are you talking about something additional?

It was reported yesterday https://www.rte.ie/search/query/Urge/ but The journalist in question has withdrawn his comments :mad:

ek motor · 01-05-2020 12:27PM

speckle wrote: »

yep was asking about this here 10 days ago because the US plants were having a real hard time with 1000s workers infected,multiple plants closing and 100,000s animals being killed as waste. Terrible for all.
Teageasc had alot of info on their website for farmers, vets, milkers, delieverys etc. Even videos . I suspose foot and mouth helped them prepare.
Shame if some processing companys didnt follow best practise.

https://www.teagasc.ie/about/our-organisation/covid-19/
https://www.teagasc.ie/rural-economy/farm-management/adverse-events/covid-19/
https://www.teagasc.ie/publications/2020/tips-for-milking-during-covid-19.php
mental health farming covid.

https://www.mentalhealthireland.ie/your-mental-health/farming-resilience/
Please if your out and about on your 2k dont touch farm gates. thanks

Here's another report from the US on the subject of destroying livestock

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-livestock-insight/piglets-aborted-chickens-gassed-as-pandemic-slams-meat-sector-idUSKCN2292YS

Lollipop95 · 01-05-2020 12:42PM

What time is the briefing today? Or is it Tuesday?

bennyl10 · 01-05-2020 12:44PM

Lollipop95 wrote: »

What time is the briefing today? Or is it Tuesday?!

this evening, after the cabinet meeting

stephenjmcd · 01-05-2020 12:50PM

Bad day for aviation with Ryanair saying they'll have to let staff go.
Aer lingus just after announcing they'll have to let 900 go

loughside · 01-05-2020 12:51PM

Just a question,
This is what is coming into Dublin airport today (passenger arrivals), i count 19 landings today so far from all parts, some virus `hot spots`... are these people being onwardly tracked?

https://www.dublinairport.com/flight-information/live-arrivals

how do we keep a lid on this virus if it`s a free for all at the ports?

hmmm · 01-05-2020 12:53PM

bb12 wrote: »

chinese ambassador to the UK on hardtalk on bbc last night.

when questioned did he accept the virus started in wuhan , refused to accept it...tried to deflect basically saying it could have started anywhere

It looks like it started in China, but there's no evidence where exactly it started. Initially it was believed to be in the wet market, but there are suspicions of infections before that.

I thought it interesting that the US intelligence agencies put out their statement yesterday to say that they believed it to be of non-human origin. Did they find out Trump was going to be sprouting off his own belief that it was made in a lab and decide to pre-empt him?

Stheno · 01-05-2020 12:54PM

FishOnABike wrote: »

This has to have a large bearing on the government's decision on when, what and by how much restrictions can be lifted.

It's going to be a difficult business environment no matter what. Either closed due to restrictions or coping with high absenteeism and/or unpredictable cyclical shutdowns due to an employee contracting CoViD-19 and contacts also having to isolate.

Those clamouring that it's time things were opened up again need to realise that opening could be a very fragile and very much changed concept for quite some time.

coastwatch wrote: »

There are several other clusters associated with meat processing plants.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/agribusiness-and-food/beef-plant-in-westmeath-closes-after-confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-1.4242668

What is it about meat processing plants that seem to make them prone to outbreaks?

The workers are literally on top of each other in those plants

Very hard to practice social distancing at all

01-05-2020 12:59PM

loughside wrote: »

Just a question,
This is what is coming into Dublin airport today (passenger arrivals), i count 19 landings today so far from all parts, some virus `hot spots`... are these people being onwardly tracked?

https://www.dublinairport.com/flight-information/live-arrivals

how do we keep a lid on this virus if it`s a free for all at the ports?

The Irish State requires anyone arriving into Ireland via Dublin Airport – including Irish citizens - to self-isolate for 14 days after arrival. Self-isolation means staying indoors and completely avoiding contact with other people, according to the HSE. The HSE has said that arriving passengers will be asked to complete a Public Health Passenger Locator Form before they arrive in Ireland and “you may be contacted during the 14 days after you arrive in Ireland to check that you are self-isolating”.

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/2020/02/27/covid-19-update

Funsterdelux · 01-05-2020 01:00PM

speckle wrote: »

yep was asking about this here 10 days ago because the US plants were having a real hard time with 1000s workers infected,multiple plants closing and 100,000s animals being killed as waste. Terrible for all.
Teageasc had alot of info on their website for farmers, vets, milkers, delieverys etc. Even videos . I suspose foot and mouth helped them prepare.
Shame if some processing companys didnt follow best practise.

https://www.teagasc.ie/about/our-organisation/covid-19/
https://www.teagasc.ie/rural-economy/farm-management/adverse-events/covid-19/
https://www.teagasc.ie/publications/2020/tips-for-milking-during-covid-19.php
mental health farming covid.

https://www.mentalhealthireland.ie/your-mental-health/farming-resilience/
Please if your out and about on your 2k dont touch farm gates. thanks

Im not surprised about the meat processing plants, I had dealings with managers in such places before and they didnt paint a very professional picture. One was effing and blinding on the phone to me about equipment my company was supplying, it was the first I had heard of the job and the guy dealing with it was out which didnt help.

Coming from a farming background myself Ive seen and heard the worst language and thickness from people but to hear it from a so called manager in a highly regulated food sector, I was in shock. (Its a wonder I didnt give up meat back then)

Wibbs · 01-05-2020 01:04PM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

Don't you think it's incredibly bad taste? Considering even in Ireland over a thousand of people died from this virus in Ireland alone.

The CCP are dicks. You'll get no disagreement from me there. However we shouldn't be acting like whining schoolchildren playing the blame game while our dead pile up either.

Take our over a thousand people dead. We fucked up. It's quite as simple as that. We squandered our massive advantage of lower population density and island nation status and a couple of months warning from elsewhere. We've dilly dallied with testing, border control, contact tracing, masks, contradictory information, nursing homes, even our lockdown is beginning to be a sad farce, with one percentage relaxing or ignoring it and another lot having mental breakdowns because they are asked to stay the fuck home and watch netflix. Compare how we did with the Czechs, a landlocked nation of over double our population, double the year round tourist footfall, close to the ground zero hotspots like Italy and Austria(they share borders with Germany, Poland, Austria and Slovakia, and we're bitching and moaning about one border on the same fucking island??), who had people coming home from skiing and football matches just like us. At the start our numbers of infected and dead were very similar, only they got their finger out and implemented all of the above and what happened? Today our infection rates are six times worse and our deaths are twelve times worse than theirs. Is that China's fault too?

So do we whinge at China boo hoo, or look to our own incompetence? Do we still whinge while filling our homes and lives with Chinese made goods, a goodly proportion of which we don't actually need, but keep buying? The Chinese are xenophobic totalitarian dicks, but they're winning and we're losing. This virus has just illustrated that and illustrated our mediocrity. We've two choices; keep whinging and acting like muppets, or grow the fuck up and make positive and effective changes. And pigs might fly.

Snow Garden · 01-05-2020 01:06PM

I am starting to get annoyed with this government.
They will likely announce no lifting of restrictions today after continually getting all their advice from 1 sector - Health.
They need to include Business leaders from all major sectors (MedTech/Pharma, Tourism, Food etc) and Economists in the decision making process.
We need strong and decisive leadership more than ever now. Leo is capable (Simon&Simon aren't) but has shown in the past to be overly cautious and passive (e.g. remember his inaction with all his corrupt TDs...Murphy, Farrell, Bailey) and GE20 has probably knocked his confidence.
We need to add more expert voices to the decision making process and produce a roadmap on restriction removal based on defined metrics and groups.
It's hard to believe it's May and we still don't have a government. Shame on them all.
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cnocbui · 01-05-2020 01:10PM

rusty cole wrote: »

for every pro expert there is a counter expert. the truth is nobody knows but I'll tell you for whatever reason, deliberate or accidental, this came from a lab and any fool who believes it organically originated from eating bats like some form of deadly night shade is a idiot.

The geneticists and virologists who have studied this pathogens DNA think differently and having read several posts on a forum where they were discussing it in details I could only partly follow, I'll take their word for it over some conspiracy nutters 'certainty'.

smurgen · 01-05-2020 01:12PM

bb12 wrote: »

chinese ambassador to the UK on hardtalk on bbc last night.

when questioned did he accept the virus started in wuhan , refused to accept it...tried to deflect basically saying it could have started anywhere

china currently on a major propaganda drive to deflect any blame

Technically they're right. I was trying to read up on the scientific evidence last night and it is apparently inconclusive as to the origin. More than likely it is China but it's not fully nailed down yet. Will try find the article later it was fairly long winded.

Akabusi · 01-05-2020 01:15PM

ek motor wrote: »

Here's another report from the US on the subject of destroying livestock

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-livestock-insight/piglets-aborted-chickens-gassed-as-pandemic-slams-meat-sector-idUSKCN2292YS

Seeing things like this should persuade more people to cut down on meat, which can only be a good thing for the environment, people's health and also maybe lessen the chances of another virus in the future.

MD1990 · 01-05-2020 01:22PM

Snow Garden wrote: »

I am starting to get annoyed with this government.
They will likely announce no lifting of restrictions today after continually getting all their advice from 1 sector - Health.
They need to include Business leaders from all major sectors (MedTech/Pharma, Tourism, Food etc) and Economists in the decision making process.
We need strong and decisive leadership more than ever now. Leo is capable (Simon&Simon aren't) but has shown in the past to be overly cautious and passive (e.g. remember his inaction with all his corrupt TDs...Murphy, Farrell, Bailey) and GE20 has probably knocked his confidence.
It's hard to believe it's May and we still don't have a government. Shame on them all.

if restrictions were lifted now & possibly up to 1000 were dying a day in Ireland.
People would not go to work anyway & the economy would collapse but many mor people would be dead.

Time to just accept the situation & be thankful to have food on the table.

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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