Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

ChelseaRentBoy · 01-05-2020 10:17AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I normally hate talking about trump as it is generally a distraction from what’s happening here but this is earth shattering news.

The leader of the worlds no1 superpower has just accused the no2 superpower of intentionally releasing this virus to hinder his re-election.
Ramifications globally are crazy. Trade war edging towards actual war. That would probably get him re-elected. Scary stuff.

President Trump Confirms "High Degree Of Confidence" That COVID-19 Originated In Wuhan Lab.

And if the intelligence is accurate?

caveat emptor · 01-05-2020 10:19AM

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

And if the intelligence is accurate?

Yeah absolutely, either or, it still spells trouble.

RebelButtMunch · 01-05-2020 10:20AM

cloudatlas wrote: »

I see Varadkar wants to let elderly people out at a certain time. Great just replicate the care home situation in the community.

They were always free to be out if they wished. Albeit a risk.Are you talking about something additional?

Kiith · 01-05-2020 10:20AM

He is contradicting his own intelligence agencies, so its more of the usual ****e from Trump that everyone else will roll their eyes at (bar Trump supporters who will clamor for a war).

owlbethere · 01-05-2020 10:21AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I normally hate talking about trump as it is generally a distraction from what’s happening here but this is earth shattering news.

The leader of the worlds no1 superpower has just accused the no2 superpower of intentionally releasing this virus to hinder his re-election.
Ramifications globally are crazy. Trade war edging towards actual war. That would probably get him re-elected. Scary stuff.

President Trump Confirms "High Degree Of Confidence" That COVID-19 Originated In Wuhan Lab.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/30/donald-trump-coronavirus-chinese-lab-claim

That is huge. He would be better off focusing his efforts on helping his people instead of stirring sh1t with China.

ek motor · 01-05-2020 10:30AM

"Expert report predicts up to two more years of pandemic misery"

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/30/health/report-covid-two-more-years/index.html

Happy friday !

01-05-2020 10:38AM

for every pro expert there is a counter expert. the truth is nobody knows but I'll tell you for whatever reason, deliberate or accidental, this came from a lab and any fool who believes it organically originated from eating bats like some form of deadly night shade is a idiot.

Professor Moriarty · 01-05-2020 10:43AM

rusty cole wrote: »

for every pro expert there is a counter expert. the truth is nobody knows but I'll tell you for whatever reason, deliberate or accidental, this came from a lab and any fool who believes it organically originated from eating bats like some form of deadly night shade is a idiot.

You what now?

What Username Guidelines · 01-05-2020 10:43AM

ek motor wrote: »

"Expert report predicts up to two more years of pandemic misery"

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/30/health/report-covid-two-more-years/index.html

Happy friday !

I've read a lot in american media about a second wave happening in the autumn, which seems to be based on previous pandemics, but I just can't wrap my head around how it goes away for the summer or at least settles down for a period before flaring up again, as opposed to flaring up again immediately. I'm far from an expert tho.

bilston · 01-05-2020 10:47AM

ek motor wrote: »

"Expert report predicts up to two more years of pandemic misery"

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/30/health/report-covid-two-more-years/index.html

Happy friday !

This shouldn't be a surprise. Until we get a vaccine or natural immunity then of course the virus will continue to spread. The key is slowing the spread through interventions and hopefully developing better treatments until a vaccine is found...if it is found.

On a more positive note it seems that the alleges reinfections in South Korea were in fact false positive tests, so hopefully people who have had the virus will be immune.

New Home · 01-05-2020 10:52AM

speckle wrote: »

Thanks can never remember its name I alwàys say hibiscius like the flowering plant. Knew someone would understand the 'pink stuff' :-)

I always remember it as hibiscus, too, but then I also remember that you scrub with it, hence hibiscrub.

Professor Moriarty · 01-05-2020 10:53AM

bilston wrote: »

This shouldn't be a surprise. Until we get a vaccine or natural immunity then of course the virus will continue to spread. The key is slowing the spread through interventions and hopefully developing better treatments until a vaccine is found...if it is found.

On a more positive note it seems that the alleges reinfections in South Korea were in fact false positive tests, so hopefully people who have had the virus will be immune.

That would be excellent news.

ek motor · 01-05-2020 10:55AM

Closure of one of the country's largest meat processing plants due to Covid-19 outbreak among staff.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0501/1135981-covid-19-cases-plant/

SusanC10 · 01-05-2020 10:55AM

Apologies if this has already been amswered here but is it today that it will be announced what changes if any there will be to the restrictions? If so, what time ?

FishOnABike · 01-05-2020 10:56AM

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

And if the intelligence is accurate?

Trump... intelligence,....sorry, does not compute.

seamus · 01-05-2020 10:57AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

That would be excellent news.

The reinfection thing always seemed really unlikely, otherwise it would have been spotted much earlier.

With healthcare workers making up 25% of infections, if a large chunk of infected workers were getting infected a second time after returning to work, we'd have known about it very quickly.

I think we would also have seen general infections spiral continuously despite best efforts to contain it.

Gael23 · 01-05-2020 11:06AM

ek motor wrote: »

Closure of one of the country's largest meat processing plants due to Covid-19 outbreak among staff.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0501/1135981-covid-19-cases-plant/

The vegans will be holding a socially distanced rally

yourdeadwright · 01-05-2020 11:06AM

Instead of focusing on a vaccine which may never comp to pass would we not be better off trying to get home testing kits rolled out ?
If you want to go visit a parent or to a wedding or something you just test yourself at home and if your clear off you go ?

gabeeg · 01-05-2020 11:10AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Instead of focusing on a vaccine which may never comp to pass would we not be better off trying to get home testing kits rolled out ?
If you want to go visit a parent or to a wedding or something you just test yourself at home and if your clear off you go ?

You want a home testing kit INSTEAD of a vaccine?

okee dokee

FishOnABike · 01-05-2020 11:11AM

ek motor wrote: »

Closure of one of the country's largest meat processing plants due to Covid-19 outbreak among staff.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0501/1135981-covid-19-cases-plant/

Meanwhile, figures from the Health Protection Surveillance Centre show a 75% increase in workplace-related coronavirus clusters in the space of eight days.

The data shows that up to midnight on Sunday 19 April, there were 16 workplace-related coronavirus clusters.

However, this has risen to 28 such clusters in the latest report which covers up to midnight on Monday 27 April.

This has to have a large bearing on the government's decision on when, what and by how much restrictions can be lifted.

It's going to be a difficult business environment no matter what. Either closed due to restrictions or coping with high absenteeism and/or unpredictable cyclical shutdowns due to an employee contracting CoViD-19 and contacts also having to isolate.

Those clamouring that it's time things were opened up again need to realise that opening could be a very fragile and very much changed concept for quite some time.

seamus · 01-05-2020 11:13AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Instead of focusing on a vaccine which may never comp to pass would we not be better off trying to get home testing kits rolled out ?
If you want to go visit a parent or to a wedding or something you just test yourself at home and if your clear off you go ?

Why not both? We have more than enough resources as a planet to work on both at the same time.

You wouldn't say sex education should prioritise the use of pregnancy tests over contraception.

Both have very specific and very important uses, they're not replacements for eachother.

bilston · 01-05-2020 11:13AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Instead of focusing on a vaccine which may never comp to pass would we not be better off trying to get home testing kits rolled out ?
If you want to go visit a parent or to a wedding or something you just test yourself at home and if your clear off you go ?

No reason why we can't focus on both.

But I agree that mass testing is a good option until a vaccine is found. Your scenario might be as far off as a vaccine though, but a vaccine would be the best option.

Kermit.de.frog · 01-05-2020 11:14AM

Chinese media taking pops at US

https://twitter.com/XHNews/status/1255734356728922113

Wibbs · 01-05-2020 11:33AM

rusty cole wrote: »

I'll tell you for whatever reason, deliberate or accidental, this came from a lab and any fool who believes it organically originated from eating bats like some form of deadly night shade is a idiot.

Again the staggering confidence of the staggeringly uninformed. It is not about "eating bats". It's about a virus harboured in bats jumping to humans through another intermediate likely wild in this case species(pangolin it seems by genetics).

It could have come from a lab, but just as likely, actually more likely to have come from bad animal husbandry practice just like SARS/MERS/HIV/Seasonal flu/1918 Pandemic/Ebola did. Unless you think all those sprang from Chinese labs?

Tandey · 01-05-2020 11:41AM

ek motor wrote: »

Closure of one of the country's largest meat processing plants due to Covid-19 outbreak among staff.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0501/1135981-covid-19-cases-plant/

I guess this means we should only eat cured meat now..

RugbyLad11 · 01-05-2020 11:45AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Chinese media taking pops at US

https://twitter.com/XHNews/status/1255734356728922113

That video is such bad taste

Imagine making fun of a country during a serious virus outbreak and then add in fact that you're the reason for this serious virus outbreak.. trying to cover up virus in the beginning, arresting doctors, and allowing over 5 million people to leave wuhan etc

Then also add in the fact that the country you picking on the the global super power, this will not end well for China. You can only poke a bear so much

coastwatch · 01-05-2020 11:46AM

ek motor wrote: »

Closure of one of the country's largest meat processing plants due to Covid-19 outbreak among staff.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0501/1135981-covid-19-cases-plant/

There are several other clusters associated with meat processing plants.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/agribusiness-and-food/beef-plant-in-westmeath-closes-after-confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-1.4242668

What is it about meat processing plants that seem to make them prone to outbreaks?

01-05-2020 11:48AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Again the staggering confidence of the staggeringly uninformed. It is not about "eating bats". It's about a virus harboured in bats jumping to humans through another intermediate likely wild in this case species(pangolin it seems by genetics).

It could have come from a lab, but just as likely, actually more likely to have come from bad animal husbandry practice just like SARS/MERS/HIV/Seasonal flu/1918 Pandemic/Ebola did. Unless you think all those sprang from Chinese labs?

again the staggering confidence of the staggeringly self informed!! That was my point, the idea that it began it's journey through ingestion and then on from human to human is in my uninformed opinion, less credible than having it come from a lab through whichever transfer is the story de jour!

I get your point, insofar as people believed rats carried the plague for many years only to to find our the story went beyond skin deep if you get the meaning. anyway I'll tip my hat to your brilliance :rolleyes:

Wibbs · 01-05-2020 11:49AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Chinese media taking pops at US

https://twitter.com/XHNews/status/1255734356728922113

I have little time for the Communist party of China, but good Christ they're not wrong in that vid and America is year on year looking more and more like the plot of the film Idiocracy and the handling of this crisis shows that up only too well. This isn't about Trump either, he's merely a horrible symptom of a nation on the slide. They can argue about how many votes he got or didn't get, but the fact remains around half the voters voted for that halfwit snakeoil salesman. This is a culture that defined the 20th century, that put a man on the moon FFS, and it was often good ol boys in pickups involved in that. It's very sad to see.

silverharp · 01-05-2020 11:50AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Chinese media taking pops at US

https://twitter.com/XHNews/status/1255734356728922113

the first line should be , we accidentally released a new virus because we copy everything and make mistakes, then covered it up while we thought we could get away with it

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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