Relaxation of restrictions Part II

Longing · 01-05-2020 09:39AM

SNNUS wrote: »

We are at War against invisible enemy so far 20,612 casualties and 1,232 deaths

So that's over 21'000 deaths? I don't think so. It's not a war so no need for the crude analogy

You either learn to live with the virus or stay in until the miracle cure.

Where did you get your 21'000 deaths from. Crude maths on your part.

It is a war. When you have to change and adopt your living for the greater good of human welfare. Not all wars are with the bullet.

easypazz · 01-05-2020 09:40AM

gozunda wrote: »

More monkey wrenching eh?

You realise that this cannot be boiled down to who is dying and who is not.

The reason for restrictions is to lower the infection rate and stop the health services being overwhelmed. This is the solution been employed worldwide by many countries - not just Ireland as a means of controlling the disease. Anyone including young people can spread the disease to others including those with long term illnesses - and yes that includes younger people.

But sure lets look at the desth rate of just one cohort because well fuk everyone else right?

Nobody is disputing the bit I have highlighted in bold.

You are in full meltdown mode now.

Pitch n Putt · 01-05-2020 09:43AM

SNNUS wrote: »

We are at War against invisible enemy so far 20,612 casualties and 1,232 deaths

So that's over 21'000 deaths? I don't think so. It's not a war so no need for the crude analogy

You either learn to live with the virus or stay in until the miracle cure.

Yes this constant and incorrect reporting of cases needs to stop immediately

We need proper reporting of active cases daily

The rising total is putting unnecessary fear into people especially elderly people.

The reality of the daily total number of cases is that well over half are recovered

lawrencesummers · 01-05-2020 09:43AM

munsterlegend wrote: »

I have no problem with the truth just your senseless musings.

The only senseless musings going on here are the keyboard experts whose education probably amounts to a bare pass of an arts degree after a repeated leaving cert who think they know more about the spread of contagious viruses because of some HACCP course their fast food employer put them on, they know more than the panel of experts with lifelong careers in medicine that has been assembled from across the country that analyze the statistics from here and The information the WHO give out.

bloodless_coup · 01-05-2020 09:46AM

What's the first thing you'll do on the 5th lads?

Think I'll drive cross country to see the family, go for a few pints of creamy goodness, visit some beauty spots and go out for a few days meals.

UrbanFret · 01-05-2020 09:48AM

ls it likely construction will recommence , self builds etc?

munsterlegend · 01-05-2020 09:49AM

bloodless_coup wrote: »

What's the first thing you'll do on the 5th lads?

Think I'll drive cross country to see the family, go for a few pints of creamy goodness, visit some beauty spots and go out for a few days meals.

Why wait until the 5th if that’s your plan?

Pitch n Putt · 01-05-2020 09:50AM

Longing wrote: »

Good job Ireland is going to War anytime soon. Physical I mean. Because reading comments here about lifting restrictions is like people running to the enemy with your arms open to Covid 19. We are at War against invisible enemy so far 20,612 casualties and 1,232 deaths in two months.
In the last number of weeks we have brought up the heavy artillery (Restrictions) and its working. So why would you lift restrictions for the enemy to regroup and counter attack.

Two sides to your great war analogy

Wouldn’t like to be going to war with people that are afraid to fight either eg.

Stay at home in their kitchen whilst your country goes down the drain against an enemy that’s of minor danger to healthy people.

road_high · 01-05-2020 09:51AM

munsterlegend wrote: »

Why wait until the 5th if that’s your plan?

June or July?!

gozunda · 01-05-2020 09:51AM

the kelt wrote: »

No offence lads but the war analogy is probably the stupidest one of the whole lot, even the loony Boris Johnson devotees in the uk have stopped referencing it cos well it’s ridiculous.It’s not a war, you can’t defeat it and they go home, it’s all over let’s have a victory parade. We are going to have to live with it, that’s a fact. Unless they have miraculously developed a vaccine overnight.It’s how we live with it that’s the issue, treating this like a war that you fight against or surrender to is the kind of loony brexit type rhetoric i taught we would t see here in all honesty.In regards to a physical war, to be quite honest the idea of this country going to war whilst being effectively run by an incompetent HSE and the others terrifies me. Here’s one on the whole war, call to arms analogy, according to the Indo this morning 73,000 health staff applied to answer the call for the country yet to date 54 have taken up their posts, it’s like having an army ready to help yet complete incompetence means they haven’t it seems.

I'd disagree. Never took you for a Boris fan tbh. But no matter. If the hat fits then wear it.

The analogy is closest to home with a small self serving number of individuals suggesting we should throw certain categories of people under the bus and give up even trying to control the rate of infection and stopping the health services been overwhelmed. And yes the analogy stands - i reckon the same would have been cheering on the Vichy republic.

But to remind those who've forgotten again - it's not just the HSE and Ireland. This is a global problem and thankfully not one to be decided by self serving idiots.

seamus · 01-05-2020 09:52AM

UrbanFret wrote: »

ls it likely construction will recommence , self builds etc?

Everyone in that area seems pretty certain that something is coming. Maybe even just an allowance to work outside so long as social distancing can be maintained.

munsterlegend · 01-05-2020 09:55AM

road_high wrote: »

June or July?!

2021 or 2022?!

facehugger99 · 01-05-2020 09:55AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

The only senseless musings going on here are the keyboard experts whose education probably amounts to a bare pass of an arts degree after a repeated leaving cert who think they know more about the spread of contagious viruses because of some HACCP course their fast food employer put them on, they know more than the panel of experts with lifelong careers in medicine that has been assembled from across the country that analyze the statistics from here and The information the WHO give out.

It's good you've identified the main problem.

This issue is not solely a medical one - far from it.

The spate of job losses and business closures is unprecedented. The economy has fallen off a cliff and we are on course to add €30bn this year to the €200bn of debt we already carry.

We are facing into an emergency budget that will need to slash spending and ramp up taxes. Social unrest and political upheaval are almost guaranteed.

The entire social contract is at risk from the coming recession.

We stand at the edge of a deep and dark precipice.

And our response to this terrible vista is to ask cautious doctors how do we stop the spread of a virus.

The full realisation of the consequences of our current actions will only become clear when it is too late.

ChikiChiki · 01-05-2020 09:55AM

bloodless_coup wrote: »

What's the first thing you'll do on the 5th lads?

Think I'll drive cross country to see the family, go for a few pints of creamy goodness, visit some beauty spots and go out for a few days meals.

Loving the unbridled optimism. As a country person I've been stuck in a Dublin City apartment complex since just after Paddy's day.

What I would do for a trip to Doolin for the weekend.:(

Penfailed · 01-05-2020 09:58AM

begbysback wrote: »

I’d be very surprised if they were limited to 30 mins exercise per day.

We aren't either. The only exercise restriction is within 2km.

01-05-2020 09:59AM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Two sides to your great war analogy

Wouldn’t like to be going to war with people that are afraid to fight either eg.

Stay at home in their kitchen whilst your country goes down the drain against an enemy that’s of minor danger to healthy people.

Why not just sacrifice all the vulnerable people then if that's your view? A sort of Logan's Run for the million plus people with pre-exisiting conditions or who are elderly.

Pitch n Putt · 01-05-2020 10:03AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Why not just sacrifice all the vulnerable people then if that's your view? A sort of Logan's Run for the million plus people with pre-exisiting conditions or who are elderly.

You should probably read the last line of my original post again before you lose the marbles.

Penfailed · 01-05-2020 10:03AM

SNNUS wrote: »

A casualty is a death??????

Since when?

easypazz · 01-05-2020 10:05AM

gozunda wrote: »

I'd disagree. Never took you for a Boris fan tbh. But no matter. If the hat fits then wear it.

The analogy is closest to home with a small self serving number of individuals suggesting we should throw certain categories of people under the bus and give up even trying to control the rate of infection and stopping the health services been overwhelmed. And yes the analogy stands - i reckon the same would have been cheering on the Vichy republic.

But to remind those who've forgotten again - it's not just the HSE and Ireland. This is a global problem and thankfully not one to be decided by self serving idiots.

Nobody is suggesting that.

You are really struggling now.

gozunda · 01-05-2020 10:07AM

easypazz wrote: »

Nobody is disputing the bit I have highlighted in bold.
You are in full meltdown mode now.

Really no one? This thread is littered with such idiotic denials.

And yet you seem to want to throw the same out the window and get rid of the restictions which are helping to reduce the rate of infection and stopping the health service been overwhelmed!

Is it usual to argue out of both sides of your mouth?

Longing · 01-05-2020 10:09AM

Originally Posted by SNNUS View Post
A casualty is a death??????

You'll hear the word casualty used often for someone killed or injured. But in this case infected/Injured.

SNNUS · 01-05-2020 10:11AM

The balanced posts here all state that we need to protect our elderly and vulnerable as number 1. But when the lock down forever cure people come along it's the first thing they say that they are being thrown under the bus, no compassion etc. Read what people are actually saying. It's ok to have a different view, it's a democracy but it's all tabloid reactions to things that were never suggested.

No. 1 protect elderly and vulnerable

This can be done without locking away until a vaccine comes along. Livelihoods need to be saved too.

SNNUS · 01-05-2020 10:13AM

Longing wrote: »

Originally Posted by SNNUS View Post
A casualty is a death??????

You'll hear the word casualty used often for someone killed or injured. But in this case infected/Injured.

Ok that is fair enough but a lot of people never knew they even had the disease so a casualty is a bit strong.

easypazz · 01-05-2020 10:14AM

Longing wrote: »

Originally Posted by SNNUS View Post
A casualty is a death??????

You'll hear the word casualty used often for someone killed or injured. But in this case infected/Injured.

How do you class an infected person as a casualty?

There could be 100000 infected people in the country who have had this and not even know it.

How are they a casualty?

Trying to pretend this is the same as a military war is weird TBH.

Some people watching too much CNN.

ixoy · 01-05-2020 10:14AM

gozunda wrote: »

And yet you seem to want to throw the same out the window and get rid of the restictions which are helping to reduce the rate of infection and stopping the health service been overwhelmed!

Most people want to reduce/alter the restrictions, not remove them in a manner that should prevent the health service being overwhelmed and yet also begin to rebuilt a semblance of normality. Like other countries are doing.

Longing · 01-05-2020 10:15AM

SNNUS wrote: »

The balanced posts here all state that we need to protect our elderly and vulnerable as number 1. But when the lock down forever cure people come along it's the first thing they say that they are being thrown under the bus, no compassion etc. Read what people are actually saying. It's ok to have a different view, it's a democracy but it's all tabloid reactions to things that were never suggested.

No. 1 protect elderly and vulnerable

This can be done without locking away until a vaccine comes along. Livelihoods need to be saved too.

Agreed my friend. But no way were there going to lift restrictions when numbers are higher now before they were introduced no matter were those numbers are been reported. I agree. Lets get numbers down lower and start opening up slowly. But we need better way of working round nursing homes.

Breezin · 01-05-2020 10:15AM

SNNUS wrote: »

The balanced posts here all state that we need to protect our elderly and vulnerable as number 1. But when the lock down forever cure people come along it's the first thing they say that they are being thrown under the bus, no compassion etc. Read what people are actually saying. It's ok to have a different view, it's a democracy but it's all tabloid reactions to things that were never suggested.

No. 1 protect elderly and vulnerable

This can be done without locking away until a vaccine comes along. Livelihoods need to be saved too.

People like black and white answers. Deconstructing the lockdown appalls many because they are wedded to simple solutions.

Longing · 01-05-2020 10:16AM

easypazz wrote: »

How do you class an infected person as a casualty?

There could be 100000 infected people in the country who have had this and not even know it.

How are they a casualty?

Trying to pretend this is the same as a military war is weird TBH.

Some people watching too much CNN.

Dont watch the news. Never heard of CNN whats that.

Longing · 01-05-2020 10:18AM

SNNUS wrote: »

Ok that is fair enough but a lot of people never knew they even had the disease so a casualty is a bit strong.

Yea a bit strong i would agree. Maybe thinking off myself. Over covid 19. But still have bad pain in lung. Further investigation needed

JoeA3 · 01-05-2020 10:20AM

UrbanFret wrote: »

ls it likely construction will recommence , self builds etc?

Many never really stopped.

Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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