Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

Blanco100 · 30-04-2020 11:54PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

Dan O Brian is just saying what no politician has the guts to say. We are committing economic suicide.
If this lockdown continues for much longer we will simply run out of money. We will have no economy left to provide a health service or any other public service.
What Dan is saying is why not let those who are in little danger go back to work and let everyone else shelter.
Our present strategy is based on a knee-jerk panic reaction by the medical and political fraternity rather than on a considered assessment on all the implications of the actions they were taking.
They ignored entirely the strategy which South Korea were implementing. South Korea have had experience with this kind of disease having had to deal with SARS and MERS in recent years but of course Dr Holohan thought he knew better and in my view has given bad advice. I’d like to know what advice he gave about protecting the nursing homes.
It’s not too late to change course but I would doubt if the government has the courage to do it.

Our strategy is to follow whatever Europe is doing. We are sheep incapable of independent thought. If the whole house falls then at least we are in it kind of approach.

Plus, if its proven to be the wrong option in hindsight we can bluster through on the premise that everyone else was doing the same. In some ways you have to admire the Swedes. Right or wrong, they thought for themselves.

ACitizenErased · 30-04-2020 11:59PM

Fairly strong statements by Trump tonight. The whole origin case is incredibly interesting, given the fact China is now refusing to let the WHO track the source of it and view data logs from the Virus Institute in Wuhan. It seems like an incredible coincidence that the 'origin' city of the pandemic is home to such a massive viral study centre.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-who-not-invited-to-join-chinas-covid-19-investigations-11981193

China has refused repeated requests by the World Health Organisation to take part in investigations into the origins of COVID-19, the WHO representative in China has told Sky News.

"We know that some national investigation is happening but at this stage we have not been invited to join," Dr Gauden Galea said.

"WHO is making requests of the health commission and of the authorities," he said. "The origins of virus are very important, the animal-human interface is extremely important and needs to be studied.

"The priority is we need to know as much as possible to prevent the reoccurrence."

Strazdas · 01-05-2020 12:00AM

Blanco100 wrote: »

Our strategy is to follow whatever Europe is doing. We are sheep incapable of independent thought. If the whole house falls then at least we are in it kind of approach.

Plus, if its proven to be the wrong option in hindsight we can bluster through on the premise that everyone else was doing the same. In some ways you have to admire the Swedes. Right or wrong, they thought for themselves.

Way too risky. We could have ended up with 25,000 deaths.....only a government of sociopaths would think it was worth the gamble. There were fears in early March we could see Irish infections into the millions.

De Danann · 01-05-2020 12:01AM

nacho libre wrote: »

Is it a polite request, or is this enforced, like it is in Australia?

I returned home from abroad the day the tighter restrictions were introduced. I arrived in Dublin airport, which was deserted except for a couple of staff members handing leaflets out requesting passengers to self isolate.

I had zero contact with anyone bar that leaflet, went straight home and isolated for the two weeks. But nobody enforced it or checked in to make sure I was doing it.

martingriff · 01-05-2020 12:02AM

Blanco100 wrote: »

Our strategy is to follow whatever Europe is doing. We are sheep incapable of independent thought. If the whole house falls then at least we are in it kind of approach.

Plus, if its proven to be the wrong option in hindsight we can bluster through on the premise that everyone else was doing the same. In some ways you have to admire the Swedes. Right or wrong, they thought for themselves.

They can not win see how others are doing with there easing of restrictions while longer in lockdown people give out we are following Europe, while at the same time suggesting we should have followed a European country either Sweden or Italy as they are opening pubs.

1 way or another we are following something and it be stupid of us to see what is happening with others, in fact I bet you be on here complaining if they did not do that also

ACitizenErased · 01-05-2020 12:04AM

I'm a big believer that masks should've been made compulsory from day one. There's literally no doubt in my mind that cases wouldn't be as high as they are now if face coverings were made compulsory.

kippy · 01-05-2020 12:04AM

De Danann wrote: »

I returned home from abroad the day the tighter restrictions were introduced. I arrived in Dublin airport, which was deserted except for a couple of staff members handing leaflets out requesting passengers to self isolate.

I had zero contact with anyone bar that leaflet, went straight home and isolated for the two weeks. But nobody enforced it or checked in to make sure I was doing it.

Indeed and this is the biggest thing we should have done from the start however I'd suspect people would have been up in arms at the time about it like some people are now about our current restrictions.

martingriff · 01-05-2020 12:05AM

snoopboggybog wrote: »

Think i had the bloody thing, slept 12-14 hours a day for the last three days and sweating like a ****. Grand now today.

Maybe it was something else but hope now I'm done and dusted with it. Never happened to me before where i had absolutely no energy. Reckon i could of sleeping more than the 12 if I didn't have the alarm set to work from home.

Woke up exhausted as well and was falling asleep through work.

I say it was something else if you are that done with it that quickly

snoopboggybog · 01-05-2020 12:07AM

martingriff wrote: »

I say it was something else if you are that done with it that quickly

Not sure, a lot of people who contact it don't even show any symptoms. Seems to be different for everyone.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/50-percent-of-people-with-covid19-not-aware-have-virus

kippy · 01-05-2020 12:07AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm a big believer that masks should've been made compulsory from day one. There's literally no doubt in my mind that cases wouldn't be as high as they are now if face coverings were made compulsory.

You reckon 25 or 30 million adequate masks were available? (I doubt they are available now even) coupled with an educational programme on how to adequately use and dispose of them?

I do agree in general, with the right use they would and do make a difference.

Supplies are a big issue as we have seen and one thing that will change after this is over.

martingriff · 01-05-2020 12:09AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm a big believer that masks should've been made compulsory from day one. There's literally no doubt in my mind that cases wouldn't be as high as they are now if face coverings were made compulsory.

You cant really say that. I saw people get out of a car a take a mask and gloves out of there pants pockets and put them on and it looked like they were used many times. If you use them anyway wrong you might as well not wear them at all

ACitizenErased · 01-05-2020 12:13AM

martingriff wrote: »

You cant really say that. I saw people get out of a car a take a mask and gloves out of there pants pockets and put them on and it looked like they were used many times. If you use them anyway wrong you might as well not wear them at all

I guarantee the number of cases, even if some people use them wrong, would still be lower. I don't see any negatives to making scarves/bandanas/cloth masks around the face mandatory. They don't need to be N95.

polesheep · 01-05-2020 12:13AM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

I don't know how much I'd trust Luke O'Neil's input in all this when someone from his lab was responsible for the first outbreak in Trinity and consequently the whole campus shutting down. This was first week of March, with member of his group having come back from an affected area in Italy when it was plainly obvious there was a significant problem happening there.

You couldn't really make it up really, the first outbreak to happen in TCD occurs in a biomedical lab responsible for immunology research!

Actually, you could make it up and you just have. The person in question self-quarantined and was not the cause of TCD closing.

growleaves · 01-05-2020 12:13AM

Blanco100 wrote: »

Our strategy is to follow whatever Europe is doing. We are sheep incapable of independent thought. If the whole house falls then at least we are in it kind of approach.

Plus, if its proven to be the wrong option in hindsight we can bluster through on the premise that everyone else was doing the same. In some ways you have to admire the Swedes. Right or wrong, they thought for themselves.

Sheep is too kind. So many in this country are also liars and cowards.

Lies take this deniable form:

'Since it is not-impossible that worst-case-scenario [insert here] could materialise therefore we have to...'

Also that the Swedes 'took a gamble'. No one ever heard of lockdown before this, its as much of a gamble as anything else.

You could say that we're 'taking a gamble' by not copying Taiwan or Singapore's unique policies.

Blanco100 · 01-05-2020 12:21AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm a big believer that masks should've been made compulsory from day one. There's literally no doubt in my mind that cases wouldn't be as high as they are now if face coverings were made compulsory.

They were never going to advocate the use of masks from the outset, the wishy washy reasons as to why they were of no use was lapped up by the masses.

They didn't want to cause a surge in demand, they needed to make sure the hospitals and front line services had enough first.

smelly sock · 01-05-2020 12:24AM

Blanco100 wrote: »

They were never going to advocate the use of masks from the outset, the wishy washy reasons as to why they were of no use was lapped up by the masses.

They didn't want to cause a surge in demand, they needed to make sure the hospitals and front line services had enough first.

False economy really. They could have potentially saved lives and slowed this thing down of theyhad of made it mandatory. Can we not manufacture them in ireland? The chinese ones are ****e

WoollyRedHat · 01-05-2020 12:27AM

polesheep wrote: »

Actually, you could make it up and you just have. The person in question self-quarantined and was not the cause of TCD closing.

Well I didn't exactly make it up, but happy to admit I could have been misinformed. Is it not the case that lab was tested?

polesheep · 01-05-2020 12:29AM

smelly sock wrote: »

False economy really. They could have potentially saved lives and slowed this thing down of theyhad of made it mandatory. Can we not manufacture them in ireland? The chinese ones are ****e

You believe masks work so you want them made mandatory. The authorities believe lockdowns work so they make it mandatory. Too much mandatory for my liking.

smelly sock · 01-05-2020 12:31AM

polesheep wrote: »

You believe masks work so you want them made mandatory. The authorities believe lockdowns work so they make it mandatory. Too much mandatory for my liking.

So about masks then?

polesheep · 01-05-2020 12:33AM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Well I didn't exactly make it up, but happy to admit I could have been misinformed. Is it not the case that lab was tested?

Is testing the work environment not what you'd expect from people who work in a lab? Stay focused. It's the authorities that are using sleight of hand.

polesheep · 01-05-2020 12:33AM

smelly sock wrote: »

So about masks then?

If you think they help, wear one.

WoollyRedHat · 01-05-2020 12:35AM

polesheep wrote: »

Is testing the work environment not what you'd expect from people who work in a lab? Stay focused. It's the authorities that are using sleight of hand.

I wouldn't expect a lab to tested unless there was a suspected outbreak, that would be unusual no?

YFlyer · 01-05-2020 12:42AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Dr luke o neill is a bit of a header. Wasnt he telling us a few months ago there was nothing to worry about.

Celebrity gone to his head. Hopefully he is as good as the game he talks.

Novel virus. Knowledge is changing all the time.

polesheep · 01-05-2020 12:42AM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

I wouldn't expect a lab to tested unless there was a suspected outbreak, that would be unusual no?

Said person felt unwell and immediately declared. Lab responded instantly. If only everyone and everywhere else was as vigilant. TCD shut down because numerous people from around the campus didn't make it known that they were symptomatic. As I said, stay focused. Luke O'Neill didn't send patients from hospitals into nursing homes.

Blanco100 · 01-05-2020 12:45AM

Is the testing regime robust enough in order to allow people back to the office en masse?

Is there capability for quick turnaround in testing that will allow companies to know if someone has to remove themselves from workplace very quickly if a positive test is returned? Likewise, if those in close contact need to self isolate.

Our public representatives like to sound as slick as possible in public forum, but the reality is alot more agricultural I would say.

WoollyRedHat · 01-05-2020 12:55AM

polesheep wrote: »

Said person felt unwell and immediately declared. Lab responded instantly. If only everyone and everywhere else was as vigilant. TCD shut down because numerous people from around the campus didn't make it known that they were symptomatic. As I said, stay focused. Luke O'Neill didn't send patients from hospitals into nursing homes.

Ok sorry if I was wrong in claim that Trinity closed down for that reason. The fact of matter is that TBSI facility did have to close down, was reported in media, unless that information is also incorrect?

The issue of sending patients from hospitals to nursing homes is an entirely separate issue though, never suggested anything of the sort

I know of separate instances in other universities, where employees were rushed into returning to work even though they displayed one of symptoms associated with Covid, by line managers who should of known better.

martingriff · 01-05-2020 01:07AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I guarantee the number of cases, even if some people use them wrong, would still be lower. I don't see any negatives to making scarves/bandanas/cloth masks around the face mandatory. They don't need to be N95.

It would depend on a few things

1. Some people will think they are now protected and do not need

2. Not all cloths and materials can be used. If the cloth is porous enough (just because it looks solid but microscopic it may not be) or 2 thin then it is the same as wearing no masks.

I am not saying we should not do it but education and some facts of what you can use will be needed

polesheep · 01-05-2020 01:12AM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Ok sorry if I was wrong in claim that Trinity closed down for that reason. The fact of matter is that TBSI facility did have to close down, was reported in media, unless that information is also incorrect?

The issue of sending patients from hospitals to nursing homes is an entirely separate issue though, never suggested anything of the sort

I know of separate instances in other universities, where employees were rushed into returning to work even though they displayed one of symptoms associated with Covid, by line managers who should of known better.

Absolutely, you are correct in saying that TBSI closed for that reason. I'm just saying that there was no negligence and that they responded exactly as you would expect from such a department. And to be fair, they kept TBSI closed until they were sure it was safe to reopen.

I know that you never suggested that the issue of the nursing homes was connected, I apologise if I seemed to infer that. I was just making the point that there are much bigger failings to be addressed.

speckle · 01-05-2020 01:15AM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

I wouldn't expect a lab to tested unless there was a suspected outbreak, that would be unusual no?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/part-of-trinity-college-closed-after-coronavirus-case-linked-to-university-1.4195155?mode=amp

cnocbui · 01-05-2020 01:17AM

martingriff wrote: »

It would depend on a few things

1. Some people will think they are now protected and do not need

2. Not all cloths and materials can be used. If the cloth is porous enough (just because it looks solid but microscopic it may not be) or 2 thin then it is the same as wearing no masks.

I am not saying we should not do it but education and some facts of what you can use will be needed

If only there was a masks thread...

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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