Relaxation of restrictions Part II

PmMeUrDogs · 30-04-2020 11:37PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Stay at home on full pay, don't play chicken with an invisible enemy when your compromised.
I know a lot are planning to open next week it's not going to happen.

I'm not playing chicken. I've weighed up the risks, spoken to my GP, discussed the protective initiatives in place to protect me and I believe I'm safe enough to return. I'm not going into it blind, just like I wasn't working blind when the virus hit and I declined the offer of going home on full pay before the lockdown began.

As for saying it's not going to happen - it certainly will for some companies. Mine already have many outlets opened and doing business again. Likewise, several friends have now returned to work, where there is no work from home option.

drunkmonkey · 30-04-2020 11:37PM

easypazz wrote: »

Have 2 letters, one for each location.

Its time to box clever when dealing with these morons.

Mine has no location on it, I've never been asked for it, I just say essential worker and on I go.

WoollyRedHat · 30-04-2020 11:39PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

I think we flattened the wrong curve so, they’ve been on that 15k ramp for weeks.

Think it's a case of politicians opening their gob too quick tbh... think communications should be left to a dedicated taskforce who are invoved in testing from bedside to bench.. no announcements outside those directly in the know about wild claims that aren't possible in that moment in time. Person who mentioned 15k ramping up is directly involved in testing in a lab facility so would have more faith in what they say i.e. it is not politcally expedient for them to make outlandish claims.

FintanMcluskey · 30-04-2020 11:41PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Mine has no location on it, I've never been asked for it, I just say essential worker and on I go.

That seems to have changed over the last day or so. A friend was required to show his letter despite his branded van and company clothing suggesting nothing but electric utilities work

drunkmonkey · 30-04-2020 11:42PM

PmMeUrDogs wrote: »

I'm not playing chicken. I've weighed up the risks, spoken to my GP, discussed the protective initiatives in place to protect me and I believe I'm safe enough to return. I'm not going into it blind, just like I wasn't working blind when the virus hit and I declined the offer of going home on full pay before the lockdown began.

As for saying it's not going to happen - it certainly will for some companies. Mine already have many outlets opened and doing business again. Likewise, several friends have now returned to work, where there is no work from home option.

You have an underlying condition stay at home. Don't fcuk around in a pandemic. I'm surprised your boss is allowing it, utterly irrisponsibe of them.
If your job is outdoors fair enough go back.

https://twitter.com/GeorgeLeeRTE/status/1255846637164990464?s=20

robbiezero · 30-04-2020 11:43PM

road_high wrote: »

Yes like he said Coppers was finished forever. Like wtf. That is most likely not going to be the case

Stupid stuff from him really. There was an important question about grand parents/grand kids etc that deserved a decent answer not something one of the "ye just want to get back to the pub" idiots from here would post.

At this point no one really gives a f**k about Coppers.

FloatingVoter · 30-04-2020 11:45PM

road_high wrote: »

Yes like he said Coppers was finished forever. Like wtf. That is most likely not going to be the case

First off, nightclubs are not an essential part of society. They were always a bloody nuisance. Overpriced entry for overpriced lousy drink. .They'll be the very last to reopen.

He meant the Coppers culture across the globe. Random shifting of strangers. It won't be law, it's just we'll be too nervous at least until an anti-viral / vaccine arrives. A lot of social distancing we'll enforce upon ourselves. No priests with metre sticks patrolling the floor.

In the meantime, Coppers and most clubs across the nation will find a way to reopen - just with different environments. They're creative people.

We were here before with AIDS in the 80s.

polesheep · 30-04-2020 11:45PM

uli84 wrote: »

Even Boris J is making more sense than the Irish team

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-04-30/government-daily-coronavirus-press-conference-boris-johnson-returns/

Anyone else finding messages given to the public in Ireland very pessimistic? I can’t actually stand it, feel so depressed, read the above and I felt better even tho I don’t live in the UK obviously

Agree 100%, despite the fact that I feel most of his policies are vile.

drunkmonkey · 30-04-2020 11:46PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

That seems to have changed over the last day or so. A friend was required to show his letter despite his branded van and company clothing suggesting nothing but electric utilities work

Yesterday was the last time I was stopped in my jeans and t-shirt no work vehicle. Rolled down the window, just said essential worker and told to go on.

Dr. Bre · 30-04-2020 11:47PM

George lee trying time make a name fir himself

SNNUS · 30-04-2020 11:47PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Where did you get the figure of 14 dead under 45?
Scandalous staying in lockdown if that’s true.

A lot more facts and questions on The Tonight Show with Ivan Yates than on the Govt RTE or the 6 O'Clock lockdown love in.

gozunda · 30-04-2020 11:58PM

smelly sock wrote: »

Under 40s should be gotten back to work from next tusday. This covid poses **** all danger to them.

Really. You a medical specialist? "Fuk all danger" - that's your expert opinion?

Ok let's look at some of the recent stats. Official figures from the 28th detailed 20,085 total cases todate.

Of that 20,085 - 8262 under 44 years of age were diagnosed with Covid-19 - of which 5.8 % (479) ended up in hospital..

Of that 20,085 11,823 were over 44 years of age - of which 18.8% ended up in Hospital

These were the serious cases. What that does not show were those under 44 who were not hospitalised or tested but who still got sick. And reading the accounts of posters on this thread and elsewhere who have detailed their experiences - the illness is no joke. And that goes for those under and over the age of 44

Perhaps more importantly anyone of any age can become infected and pass the disease on to other people or those with medical conditions such as Asthma etc - and yes that goes for those under 44 as well who may have those conditions.

The other thing you are forgetting is that there is increasing evidence of damage to the lungs and other organs caused by Covid-19 even in some of those who appeared asymptomatic. Medical professionals are currently in the process of collecting data to determine whether this damage may be long term.

Oh and one last thing - the number coming down with Covid-19 has not stopped. With your plan many many more people both under and over 44 will get it and yes even end up in hospital. Will you be satisfied then?

FintanMcluskey · 01-05-2020 12:00AM

FloatingVoter wrote: »

First off, nightclubs are not an essential part of society. They were always a bloody nuisance. Overpriced entry for overpriced lousy drink. .They'll be the very last to reopen.

He meant the Coppers culture across the globe. Random shifting of strangers. It won't be law, it's just we'll be too nervous at least until an anti-viral / vaccine arrives. A lot of social distancing we'll enforce upon ourselves. No priests with metre sticks patrolling the floor.

In the meantime, Coppers and most clubs across the nation will find a way to reopen - just with different environments. They're creative people.

We were here before with AIDS in the 80s.

Are youngsters actually that nervous of this that they will change every part of there lives that has fun and interaction involved?

FintanMcluskey · 01-05-2020 12:01AM

gozunda wrote: »

Really. You a medical specialist? "Fuk all danger" - that's your expert opinion?

Ok let's look at some of the recent stats. Official figures from the 28th detailed 20,085 total cases todate.

Of that 20,085 - 8262 under 44 years of age were diagnosed with Covid-19 - of which 5.8 % (479) ended up in hospital..

Of that 20,085 11,823 were over 44 years of age - of which 18.8% ended up in Hospital

These were the serious cases. What that does not show were those under 44 who were not hospitalised or tested but who still got sick. And reading the accounts of posters on this thread and elsewhere who have detailed their experiences - the illness is no joke. And that goes for those under and over the age of 44

Perhaps more importantly anyone of any age can become infected and pass the disease on to older people or those with medical conditions such as Asthma etc - and yes that goes for those under 44 as well who may have those conditions.

The other thing you are forgetting is that there is increasing evidence of damage to the lungs and other organs caused by Covid-19 even in some of those who appeared asymptomatic. Medical professionals are currently in the process of collecting data to determine whether this damage may be long term.

Oh and one last thing - the number coming down with Covid-19 has not stopped. With your plan many many more people both under and over 44 will get it and yes even end up in hospital. Will you be satisfied then?

You need to calm down, the stats are 14 deaths. You didn't need this length of waffle to communicate 14 deaths over 2 months

JoeA3 · 01-05-2020 12:04AM

I thought Dan O’Brien on with Ivan Yates tonight was excellent. Very scary, but excellent. He got his very clear message across in a clear calm manner, he didn’t engage in any point scoring, just told it how it is. Very very sobering. He asked - which event in the early part of the last century did more damage? The Spanish flu? Or the Great Depression a decade later?

I wish to God that there were more voices like O’Brien’s in Leo’s ear.

It was interesting to hear Ivan also say that he feels like a lone voice out there among his media colleagues. He is completely shut down and vilified by most of his own media peers when he challenges the status quo.

Meanwhile over on RTE’s Prime Time, FG had sent in some nobody from their backbenches. Utterly pointless, they may as well have sent in an empty suit. Nothing to say other than spout rehearsed cliches. It’s absolutely infuriating. And nobody on RTE challenges it. They can sing for their licence fee

SNNUS · 01-05-2020 12:04AM

Stark wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1255957627110031371?s=09

No smug pictures of anyone in a Hiace or a convoy of caravans...

uli84 · 01-05-2020 12:05AM

Creches opening in Poland from 6th of May, just saying

FloatingVoter · 01-05-2020 12:07AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Are youngsters actually that nervous of this that they will change every part of there lives that has fun and interaction involved?

No, but they won't be facilitated by establishments whose only purpose is to enable them. This isn't the end of sex - just the temporary end of pick-up shops like Coppers. Of course the house parties will continue and the pubs and cafes will eventually reopen but nightclubs will be the very last.

Tinder, Hinge and the likes will survive and possibly thrive in their absence.

gozunda · 01-05-2020 12:11AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

You need to calm down, the stats are 14 deaths. You didn't need this length of waffle to communicate 14 deaths over 2 months

Perhaps open your eyes? I did not mention deaths. The stats detail the significant numbers of people under 44 who end up seriously ill and hospitalised with Covid-19. It's not difficult to understand. But you seem to be ignoring that. Why?

This is the very reasons for the restrictions- so that the infection rate is controlled and this disease does not overwhelm our health services.

But I guess you know better than those who are attempting to do that eh?

Blanco100 · 01-05-2020 12:15AM

The only reason the deaths of those 40 and under have been kept low is because they are getting priority. Deaths are mostly 75+ but ICU admissions seem to be lower.

Know someone myself who was in his 70s, and never saw the ICU at all before he died.

Alot more people under 40 will pass away i'd imagine if things open up and the ICU's are overrun again following a second wave.

They left the elderly to die in nursing homes aswell, some who had many years ahead of them but were not seen as worthy of ICU admission.

drunkmonkey · 01-05-2020 12:15AM

uli84 wrote: »

Creches opening in Poland from 6th of May, just saying

They've hinted at September here...

Eod100 · 01-05-2020 12:21AM

Think with waiting to loosen restrictions for at least a few weeks have advantage of seeing how other European countries who have started easing get on and any lessons learned. It would be great if we could ease them now but I think on all metrics we're not there just yet.

polesheep · 01-05-2020 12:25AM

Blanco100 wrote: »

The only reason the deaths of those 40 and under have been kept low is because they are getting priority. Deaths are mostly 75+ but ICU admissions seem to be lower.

Know someone myself who was in his 70s, and never saw the ICU at all before he died.

Alot more people under 40 will pass away i'd imagine if things open up and the ICU's are overrun again following a second wave.

They left the elderly to die in nursing homes aswell, some who had many years ahead of them but were not seen as worthy of ICU admission.

No one who is fit for ICU has been refused ICU. It has been explained many times by numerous posters (including doctors) why some patients are not admitted to ICU. And as for your use of the word 'again', ICUs have not, at any time, been overrun.

alwald · 01-05-2020 12:28AM

gozunda wrote: »

Really. You a medical specialist? "Fuk all danger" - that's your expert opinion?

Ok let's look at some of the recent stats. Official figures from the 28th detailed 20,085 total cases todate.

Of that 20,085 - 8262 under 44 years of age were diagnosed with Covid-19 - of which 5.8 % (479) ended up in hospital..

Of that 20,085 11,823 were over 44 years of age - of which 18.8% ended up in Hospital

These were the serious cases. What that does not show were those under 44 who were not hospitalised or tested but who still got sick. And reading the accounts of posters on this thread and elsewhere who have detailed their experiences - the illness is no joke. And that goes for those under and over the age of 44

Perhaps more importantly anyone of any age can become infected and pass the disease on to other people or those with medical conditions such as Asthma etc - and yes that goes for those under 44 as well who may have those conditions.

The other thing you are forgetting is that there is increasing evidence of damage to the lungs and other organs caused by Covid-19 even in some of those who appeared asymptomatic. Medical professionals are currently in the process of collecting data to determine whether this damage may be long term.

Oh and one last thing - the number coming down with Covid-19 has not stopped. With your plan many many more people both under and over 44 will get it and yes even end up in hospital. Will you be satisfied then?

Quality posts with quality content are what's missing in this thread...unfortunately most anti lockdown restriction merchants are only interested in blaming Leo/Harris/Holohan or looking at other countries that are easing their restrictions before Ireland...there is 0 common sense.

FloatingVoter · 01-05-2020 12:29AM

Eod100 wrote: »

Think with waiting to loosen restrictions for at least a few weeks have advantage of seeing how other European countries who have started easing get on and any lessons learned. It would be great if we could ease them now but I think on all metrics we're not there just yet.

Exactly, now is not the time to be pioneers in the field. We play copycat if it works for the other countries. In the very short term, Im hoping for a very wet bank holiday weekend. They probably will loosen up a little next week (despite the downplaying of expectations) but a mass exodus to the seaside and the parks on "essential business" will hammer us both healthiness and restriction wise.

easypazz · 01-05-2020 12:45AM

gozunda wrote: »

Really. You a medical specialist? "Fuk all danger" - that's your expert opinion?

Ok let's look at some of the recent stats. Official figures from the 28th detailed 20,085 total cases todate.

Of that 20,085 - 8262 under 44 years of age were diagnosed with Covid-19 - of which 5.8 % (479) ended up in hospital..

Of that 20,085 11,823 were over 44 years of age - of which 18.8% ended up in Hospital

These were the serious cases. What that does not show were those under 44 who were not hospitalised or tested but who still got sick. And reading the accounts of posters on this thread and elsewhere who have detailed their experiences - the illness is no joke. And that goes for those under and over the age of 44

Perhaps more importantly anyone of any age can become infected and pass the disease on to other people or those with medical conditions such as Asthma etc - and yes that goes for those under 44 as well who may have those conditions.

The other thing you are forgetting is that there is increasing evidence of damage to the lungs and other organs caused by Covid-19 even in some of those who appeared asymptomatic. Medical professionals are currently in the process of collecting data to determine whether this damage may be long term.

Oh and one last thing - the number coming down with Covid-19 has not stopped. With your plan many many more people both under and over 44 will get it and yes even end up in hospital. Will you be satisfied then?

Cool rant.

easypazz · 01-05-2020 12:50AM

alwald wrote: »

.anti lockdown restriction merchants.

As long as you persist with this childish wind up effort you have no credibility.

Its boring.

helpful · 01-05-2020 12:53AM

alwald wrote: »

Quality posts with quality content are what's missing in this thread...unfortunately most anti lockdown restriction merchants are only interested in blaming Leo/Harris/Holohan or looking at other countries that are easing their restrictions before Ireland...there is 0 common sense.

I think it’s unfair to say there is zero common sense. I also think it’s ridiculous to suggest we shouldn’t be looking at other countries. If we are to get out of this we need to see what is working for other countries and how they’re dealing with maybe an increase of cases. That’s what we did at the start of this and as others have pointed out we are not going to be pioneers in this one. I think people are annoyed and restless about the lack of any sort of plan rather than anything else. Nobody thinks things will get back to normal but a plan on how to get there might help ease fears and restlessness. Some people have been in this for 7 weeks now.

marno21 · 01-05-2020 01:51AM

Re: death rate in under 45s.

2 deaths in 15-24 category, 3 deaths in 25-34 and 9 deaths in 35-44 year olds. 14 deaths in total from a total of ~8k cases. I'd also be willing to bet that many cases in these categories were sufficiently mild to not warrant testing or be asymptomatic.

I'd bet that if under 45s with no underlying conditions are at negligible risk. Having them under house arrest is ridiculous when you look at the figures that Dan O'Brien is pointing out, which he is spot on.

Source: https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/COVID-19%20Epidemiology%20report%20for%20NPHET%2020200429_website.pdf

marno21 · 01-05-2020 01:51AM

Re: death rate in under 45s.

2 deaths in 15-24 category, 3 deaths in 25-34 and 9 deaths in 35-44 year olds. 14 deaths in total from a total of ~8k cases. I'd also be willing to bet that many cases in these categories were sufficiently mild to not warrant testing or be asymptomatic.

I'd bet that if under 45s with no underlying conditions are at negligible risk. Having them under house arrest is ridiculous when you look at the figures that Dan O'Brien is pointing out, which he is spot on.

Source: https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/COVID-19%20Epidemiology%20report%20for%20NPHET%2020200429_website.pdf

Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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