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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • #7322
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭growleaves


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Because I didnt think obesity in itself was dangerous I thought it was just the diseases that it increases the chance of you contracting which was, such as hypertension and diabetes

    If you're reasonably fit, your cardiovascular system will be able to process at least 3x more oxygen than you need to just stay alive. So even if you have a respiratory disease attacking your lungs you have a greater chance to survive it.

    The overweight and obese who are out of breath climbing the stairs have less of a chance.


  • #7323
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,914 ✭✭✭political analyst


    If the lockdown continues after May the 5th, will it be because of those outdoor parties in Dublin that were shown in videos shared on social media? Is there any link between the parties and a surge in the number of Covid cases?


  • #7324
    Dr. Bre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,841 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    political analyst wrote: »
    If the lockdown continues after May the 5th, will it be because of those outdoor parties in Dublin that were shown in videos shared on social media? Is there any link between the parties and a surge in the number of Covid cases?

    No don’t be daft parties exist outside of Dublin also


  • #7325
    sterz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭sterz


    It will 100% be because of those outdoor parties. 100%.


  • #7326
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭growleaves


    It'll be because of a party in Dublin called Fine Gael. They're an outdoor party but if it gets too cold they go indoors.


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  • #7327
    blackcard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,318 ✭✭✭blackcard


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    No he's capturing the public mood to be fair and asking the questions that most people would want answering

    Yates may be right, he may be wrong. However, it is much easier for him as he doesn't have to live with the consequences as he is not making the decision. I think myself that we should start lifting some of the restrictions next Tuesday as we should be okay if people continue to keep social distancing etc.


  • #7328
    Azatadine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    I dont think Sam McConkey is overly impressed with Laura Durcan by his body language.


  • #7329
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,864 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Is Ivan Yates on some personal crusade?

    He’s saying what people don’t want to hear- the truth.
    He may not be everyone’s cup of tea but he does generally tell people how it is. There is a lot of people in la la land re the economy. It’ll come to head soon enough in any case


  • #7330
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Only 5600 active cases in Ireland. The 20k plus cases not the number to look at, the recovery is now 13,338, and gaining massive ground on new cases every day./
    Absolutely mad if you actually think this is the case.


  • #7331
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,190 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Juventus player Paulo Dybala has tested positive for the virus 4 times in 6 weeks, not following the usual script...

    https://talksport.com/football/700319/paulo-dybala-juventus-forward-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-for-fourth-time-in-six-weeks/


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  • #7332
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭growleaves


    road_high wrote: »
    He’s saying what people don’t want to hear- the truth.
    He may just be everyone’s cup of tea but he does generally tell people how it is. There is a lot of people in la la land re the economy. It’ll come to head soon enough in any case

    I don't have access to a TV - any salient points he's making that we haven't seen here? (if you feel like typing it out)


  • #7333
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    road_high wrote: »
    He’s saying what people don’t want to hear- the truth.
    He may just be everyone’s cup of tea but he does generally tell people how it is. There is a lot of people in la la land re the economy. It’ll come to head soon enough in any case

    But but he works for Denis O Brien??

    Surely with Denis O brien controlling newstalk with FG he shouldn't be criticising the government??

    Oh wait that was more conspiracy nonsense from our SF comrades.


  • #7334
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,335 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Absolutely mad if you actually think this is the case.

    Well, the virus only stays in the system of people (with mild symptoms) for 2-3 weeks.


  • #7335
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,864 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    growleaves wrote: »
    I don't have access to a TV - any salient points he's making that we haven't seen here? (if you feel like typing it out)

    Sorry I was referring to his Radio show this evening that I heard!


  • #7336
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Stheno wrote: »
    Asymptomatic spreaders?

    I'm not able to understand this at all from them. Does the Contact tracing establish where a confirmed case has been over the past week or two? Surely someone would be able to tell where they were, especially now reduced movements. Surely something line that would give an indication where people are picking up the infections.


  • #7337
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    One of the journalists mentioned earlier that theres an American football game due to be played in Dublin aviva stadium in August. I mean like why is gods name is that not being cancelled? Inviting more disease to come into the country again.


  • #7338
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Well, the virus only stays in the system of people (with mild symptoms) for 2-3 weeks.
    It can lie dormant for up to two weeks, meaning that you're an asymptomatic carrier until you start to feel sick. All the people in that phase and many more in the symptomatic phase are not currently entitled to testing so won't be accounted for in the figures he posted. As for 2-3 weeks of symptoms, I direct you to my earlier post which has apparently been edited to remove the part that I had quoted a forum member who is a medical professional, not sure why:
    s1ippy wrote: »
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/13/opinion/coronavirus-recovery.html

    I'm on a "Slack" group (like Discord) with thousands of people who have had this virus and their testimonies are less than encouraging.

    There's a subsection for people 60+ days after testing positive and here's an excerpt.

    There are thousands and thousands of people saying they first showed symptoms 40+ days ago with very little improvement, coming and going day to day. Additionally a couple I know who lived between London and Paris when the lockdowns began contracted Covid and they're still not over it, one has no more sense of taste or smell and the other gets very bad blood noses and migraines out of nowhere.

    It causes the body to attack its own defence systems and the antibody tests are incredibly unreliable at this point. We don't know how long anyone has immunity for and we don't have enough data to see the long-term effects on people's organs, but what we are seeing is a lot of "mild" cases - in MANY of those instances "mild" seems just to mean that you don't die there and then. What a benchmark.


  • #7339
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    owlbethere wrote: »
    One of the journalists mentioned earlier that theres an American football game due to be played in Dublin aviva stadium in August. I mean like why is gods name is that not being cancelled? Inviting more disease to come into the country again.

    how does it affect he price of beans today?

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #7340
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    I dunno what is happening on this thread tonight but it's either not showing this post or double posting.
    Strazdas wrote: »
    Well, the virus only stays in the system of people (with mild symptoms) for 2-3 weeks.
    It can lie dormant for up to two weeks, meaning that you're an asymptomatic carrier until you start to feel sick. All the people in that phase and many more in the symptomatic phase are not currently entitled to testing so won't be accounted for in the figures he posted. As for 2-3 weeks of symptoms, I direct you to my earlier post which has apparently been edited to remove the part that I had quoted a forum member who is a medical professional, not sure why:
    s1ippy wrote: »
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/13/opinion/coronavirus-recovery.html

    I'm on a "Slack" group (like Discord) with thousands of people who have had this virus and their testimonies are less than encouraging.

    There's a subsection for people 60+ days after testing positive and here's an excerpt.

    There are thousands and thousands of people saying they first showed symptoms 40+ days ago with very little improvement, coming and going day to day. Additionally a couple I know who lived between London and Paris when the lockdowns began contracted Covid and they're still not over it, one has no more sense of taste or smell and the other gets very bad blood noses and migraines out of nowhere.

    It causes the body to attack its own defence systems and the antibody tests are incredibly unreliable at this point. We don't know how long anyone has immunity for and we don't have enough data to see the long-term effects on people's organs, but what we are seeing is a lot of "mild" cases - in MANY of those instances "mild" seems just to mean that you don't die there and then. What a benchmark.


  • #7341
    Hrududu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,712 ✭✭✭Hrududu


    toneygecko wrote: »
    Wait and ye hear this, spotted a pile of suitcases in the back of a couriers van so I asked what the story was, the driver said dubs are couriering their luggage down the country to their holiday homes so if they're stopped the guards won't find luggage in the car. Scum bags. Excuse the pun.

    Sure, Jan


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  • #7342
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,335 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    s1ippy wrote: »
    It can lie dormant for up to two weeks, meaning that you're an asymptomatic carrier until you start to feel sick. All the people in that phase and many more in the symptomatic phase are not currently entitled to testing so won't be accounted for in the figures he posted. As for 2-3 weeks of symptoms, I direct you to my earlier post which has apparently been edited to remove the part that I had quoted a forum member who is a medical professional, not sure why:

    Wouldn't the loss of smell and migraines be 'after effects' of the virus though? You could have knock on effects of being sick for a few weeks but the virus not show up in your system (just as people who've had pneumonia etc can take months to fully get over the illness).


  • #7343
    Seven Septs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 145 ✭✭Seven Septs


    The UK excess deaths are off Worldometer again. Just todays, inc nursing homes. What would that be about, are they going to reappraise again?

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


  • #7344
    SharpshooterTom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭SharpshooterTom


    Seven Septs wrote: »
    The UK excess deaths are off Worldometer again. Just todays, inc nursing homes. What would that be about, are they going to reappraise again?

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    The care home deaths were over a number of days though, not all today.

    The total deaths of 26,097 still stands though.


  • #7345
    Seven Septs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 145 ✭✭Seven Septs


    Thanks. I see that their cumulative total includes them alright.


  • #7346
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,663 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    owlbethere wrote: »
    One of the journalists mentioned earlier that theres an American football game due to be played in Dublin aviva stadium in August. I mean like why is gods name is that not being cancelled? Inviting more disease to come into the country again.

    Its in August.
    This is April.


  • #7347
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    owlbethere wrote: »
    I'm not able to understand this at all from them. Does the Contact tracing establish where a confirmed case has been over the past week or two? Surely someone would be able to tell where they were, especially now reduced movements. Surely something line that would give an indication where people are picking up the infections.

    I dont know to be honest

    The CMO has repeatedly said that for every person confirmed positive they believe there is an equal number that are infected and asymptomatic.

    Studies are also showing that people who are asymptomatic are infectious

    So to me it kinda seems like looking for a needle in a haystack

    The nursing home mass testing showed there were asymptomatic cases going by feedback from posters on here

    Multiple studies using antibody tests are showing much greater levels of people have been infected than needed to see a doctor for example, in some studies they extrapolate it is as few as ten times more or as much as 80 times more

    So you could e.g. have an asymptomatic supermarket worker who is infecting people unknowingly

    Say they infect me and I get tested
    They contact trace.me
    I say I was in the supermarket Thirsday and spent 20 minutes shopping paid and left

    That wouldn't count as close contact is my understanding

    I guess the only way to actually find a super spreader like this ( and I dont mean to use the term sneeringly) is to start linking cases

    So 20 people in Swords test positive
    They all live just with a partner and apart from going to the supermarket all 20 and their partners are working from home and dont even go out for exercise

    So youd have to then analyze each of the group of 20 and you might find that 10 of them went to supermarket 8 on Tuesday between 10 am and 3pm

    That then gives a basis to perhaps test everyone who worked a shift during that time in the supermarket, but I dont think that we are.doing that yet and tbh wed need an app and analytics to be able to do it in a speedy manner

    And of course I might be completely wrong.


  • #7348
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Its in August.
    This is April.

    It's going to be cancelled according to the CMO, he looked apoplectic at the thoughts of it going ahead


  • #7349
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Wouldn't the loss of smell and migraines be 'after effects' of the virus though? You could have knock on effects of being sick for a few weeks but the virus not show up in your system (just as people who've had pneumonia etc can take months to fully get over the illness).
    Definitely, but there are early indicators that this could be an Autoimmune Disease on top of everything else.
    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/29/coronavirus-rashes-toes/%3foutputType=amp
    In the case of the 23-year-old student in Belgium, researcher Curtis Thompson said a biopsy showed inflammation in the cells in the location of the rash that resulted in attacks to the surface of the skin’s dermis, the inner of the two main layers of skin. He said it looked nearly identical to what he’s seen in patients with lupus, an autoimmune disease that causes inflammation and pain because the immune system attacks healthy tissue.


  • #7350
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    A reminder to a small number of posters

    If you cannot be civil to each other, do not post. Because if you don't refrain from that sort of behaviour I'll remove your posting privileges


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  • #7351
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    s1ippy wrote: »
    It can lie dormant for up to two weeks, meaning that you're an asymptomatic carrier until you start to feel sick. All the people in that phase and many more in the symptomatic phase are not currently entitled to testing so won't be accounted for in the figures he posted. As for 2-3 weeks of symptoms, I direct you to my earlier post which has apparently been edited to remove the part that I had quoted a forum member who is a medical professional, not sure why:

    All of that sounds dreadful. That would be considered the 80% mild bracket. I read on another forum, people having symptoms for 40+ days and ongoing.


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