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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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  • #4922
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Be interesting when they go to cut nurses wages.

    Nothing will be off the table in an emergency budget scenario.


  • #4923
    gauchesnell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭gauchesnell


    easypazz wrote: »
    I am not disputing that at all.

    Ok but maybe I am missing your point. I am working from home - like a lot of people. If your work cant be done from home thats unfortunate.


  • #4924
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,027 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    gauchesnell wrote: »
    well me but work continues. I finished just now at 5pm and have a few bits to finish for today

    I meant doing nothing, most I know are still doing a bit. There all probably looking at a pay cut though.


  • #4925
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    How do you know?

    Because they don't have money to pay them. Its not a question how do you know its when will it happen. The Exchequer is haemorrhaging cash at a rate never seen before and loosing revenue likewise. Obscene cuts a will happen in health, education, security and social welfare, and will continue for the rest of our lives


  • #4926
    gauchesnell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭gauchesnell


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    I meant doing nothing, most I know are still doing a bit. There all probably looking at a pay cut though.

    and how much do you think the average public servant earns. Not a lot trust me. We already had pay cuts from the last recession - I am sure an embargo and pay cuts are coming


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  • #4927
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,050 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    road_high wrote: »
    Nothing will be off the table in an emergency budget scenario.

    Agreed. Might stick in Varadkars craw however with his 'not all heroes wear capes' sh1te.


  • #4928
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    gauchesnell wrote: »
    Ok but maybe I am missing your point. I am working from home - like a lot of people. If your work cant be done from home thats unfortunate.

    Yes, and if you are a public sector worker and you can't work from home then why does the €350 not apply.


  • #4929
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Because they don't have money to pay them. Its not a question how do you know its when will it happen. The Exchequer is haemorrhaging cash at a rate never seen before and loosing revenue likewise. Obscene cuts a will happen in health, education, security and social welfare, and will continue for the rest of our lives

    I remember the emergency budgets of 2009. Think there was possibly two. Unfortunately I can see the same here again. It gives me pleasure to say that, I dread it and people will suffer.
    I felt if we could get to a place where we could get to reopen the economy from now I’d hoped we could just scrape by. But the longer it’s going on the more inevitable this becomes. The Taoiseach needs to spell this out to people in tandem with the lockdown extensions


  • #4930
    gauchesnell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭gauchesnell


    easypazz wrote: »
    Yes, and if you are a public sector worker and you can't work from home then why does the €350 not apply.

    Who said it doesnt. Staff are redeployed to other areas. Staff are required to take leave aswell.

    Maybe be specific as to what area you mean.


  • #4931
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,050 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    easypazz wrote: »
    Yes, and if you are a public sector worker and you can't work from home then why does the €350 not apply.

    Dunnes stores are looking for workers, as are other essential services.


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  • #4932
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    easypazz wrote: »
    Yes, and if you are a public sector worker and you can't work from home then why does the €350 not apply.

    I’d say next in the firing line if this keeps up.


  • #4933
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    easypazz wrote: »
    Never said everyone.

    Its not that he is lazy either.

    He is in a non essential area and they were all told to go home and they check in now and again, that's it.

    Well tell him he might be told to never check in again

    It’s times like this companies get a chance to weed out the wasters


  • #4934
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    gauchesnell wrote: »
    and how much do you think the average public servant earns. Not a lot trust me. We already had pay cuts from the last recession - I am sure an embargo and pay cuts are coming

    How much do you think private sector earns without the added protections of unions who ensure restrictive work practices.
    One of the cuts in the last recession for the public service was the removal of the banking day to lodge cheques???


  • #4935
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Agreed. Might stick in Varadkars craw however with his 'not all heroes wear capes' sh1te.

    Well maybe it’s time he was honest then!


  • #4936
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Well tell him he might be told to never check in again

    It’s times like this companies get a chance to weed out the wasters

    Public sector worker.


  • #4937
    gauchesnell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭gauchesnell


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    How much do you think private sector earns without the added protections of unions who ensure restrictive work practices.
    One of the cuts in the last recession for the public service was the removal of the banking day to lodge cheques???

    Well I know I earned more in the private sector but work in the public sector for the security.

    Maybe look at the payscale for public servants - us normal ones.


  • #4938
    addaword
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭addaword


    easypazz wrote: »
    Yes, and if you are a public sector worker and you can't work from home then why does the €350 not apply.

    Good point. A few public servants I know are at home and are doing s.f.a.


  • #4939
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Dunnes stores are looking for workers, as are other essential services.

    500000 of us?


  • #4940
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,050 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    easypazz wrote: »
    500000 of us?
    No just you.


  • #4941
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    easypazz wrote: »
    You were more specific, you said there will be a downturn next year.
    That article does not support your view at all.
    It is obvious the downturn is happening this year, right now, with everything closed, and as things reopen the economy improves, albeit at a slow pace.You did not mention a recovery, because you predicted a downturn next year, it is the IMF who predicted a recovery, next year.
    The downturn will be very sharp, followed by a slow recovery, or hopefully even a "V" recovery. But either way, your claim that there will be a downturn next year, is false.Do keep up.

    A year = 12 months or thereabouts. In the next year. Hair splitting doesn't suit you :rolleyes:

    Lol. Put whatever spin you like on that. The article clearly says there will be a downturn/ recession. Something you doubted.
    easypazz wrote: »
    No there won't be. Well, its possible but highly unlikely.

    But as I said previously you would argue with a signpost  ...


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  • #4942
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Because they don't have money to pay them. Its not a question how do you know its when will it happen. The Exchequer is haemorrhaging cash at a rate never seen before and loosing revenue likewise. Obscene cuts a will happen in health, education, security and social welfare, and will continue for the rest of our lives

    You do remember how much we lost in the banking crisis?

    This is chump change in comparison only this time everyone is in it with us, so they can’t point at the thick Irish and leave us to it

    You seem to like a bit of drama, hopefully they cut social, to the bone as well. In terms of the rest, it’s a few weeks, we have got ourselves out of before and will again

    It’s times now to weed out the wasters, dump them up to Keelings to pick strawberries. The workers need to take over. Government should come out now and kill the insurance fraud s**t. Put in stops to people having kids they can’t afford....put some laws in place to reward people going to work and not the waster sitting at home


  • #4943
    gauchesnell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭gauchesnell


    addaword wrote: »
    Good point. A few public servants I know are at home and are doing s.f.a.

    well thats bad management then


  • #4944
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,387 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    How much do you think private sector earns without the added protections of unions who ensure restrictive work practices.
    One of the cuts in the last recession for the public service was the removal of the banking day to lodge cheques???
    I have never heard of a banking day.
    A long long time ago there was a 15 minute allowance for banking seemingly but no one I knew used it.

    I could have made more in private sector but choose public sector for a number of reasons, job security, flextime etc.

    Flexitime goes at AP and above.

    Everyone in my department is working from home that can and has plenty of work to do believe me.


  • #4945
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    gauchesnell wrote: »
    Well I know I earned more in the private sector but work in the public sector for the security.

    I’ve had numerous opps to go back to the public service but the salaries are poor but I suppose in crisis everyone is looking at the PS with the perceived job security!
    I wouldn’t want to but if I’d lost my job now I could see the appeal.

    No one is safe at the moment, I’ve heard of accountants in very secure usually positions laid off or had large pay cuts due to loss of contracts. This thing is very far reaching


  • #4946
    gauchesnell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭gauchesnell


    gmisk wrote: »
    I have never heard of a banking day.
    A long long time ago there was a 15 minute allowance for banking seemingly but no one I knew used it.

    I could have made more in private sector but choose public sector for a number of reasons, job security, flextime etc.

    I think we had a banking day years ago as people were paid by cheque (maybe 20 years ago).

    In private sector we had bonuses and shopping day :)

    who are these well paid doing nothing public servants


  • #4947
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    You do remember how much we lost in the banking crisis?

    This is chump change in comparison only this time everyone is in it with us, so they can’t point at the thick Irish and leave us to it

    You seem to like a bit of drama, hopefully they cut social, to the bone as well. In terms of the rest, it’s a few weeks, we have got ourselves out of before and will again

    It’s times now to weed out the wasters, dump them up to Keelings to pick strawberries. The workers need to take over. Government should come out now and kill the insurance fraud s**t. Put in stops to people having kids they can’t afford....put some laws in place to reward people going to work and not the waster sitting at home

    They’re the very people that won’t be touched unfortunately!


  • #4948
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    You do remember how much we lost in the banking crisis?

    This is chump change in comparison only this time everyone is in it with us, so they can’t point at the thick Irish and leave us to it

    Ill only respond to this, the rest is such rubbish it doest warrant a response.
    We are as of 3 weeks ago in the worst economic situation in Europe. Spain and Italy restarted as much economic activity as possible including construction and implemented a road map at that time. We are the most restrictive in Europe regarding work practices right now and that means we are in this alone.


  • #4949
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,050 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    You do remember how much we lost in the banking crisis?

    This is chump change in comparison only this time everyone is in it with us, so they can’t point at the thick Irish and leave us to it

    You seem to like a bit of drama, hopefully they cut social, to the bone as well. In terms of the rest, it’s a few weeks, we have got ourselves out of before and will again

    It’s times now to weed out the wasters, dump them up to Keelings to pick strawberries. The workers need to take over. Government should come out now and kill the insurance fraud s**t. Put in stops to people having kids they can’t afford....put some laws in place to reward people going to work and not the waster sitting at home

    Do you really believe any of that will happen when it didn't happen 10 years ago when the IMF were strolling around Merrion Square?


  • #4950
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    gauchesnell wrote: »
    I think we had a banking day years ago as people were paid by cheque (maybe 20 years ago).

    In private sector we had bonuses and shopping day :)

    who are these well paid doing nothing public servants

    One of my siblings and a parent of mine, 60k per annum with little responsibility and off until who knows on full pay. Thats who Im considering anyway but maybe they are the exception


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  • #4951
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    gozunda wrote: »
    Lol. Put whatever spin you like on that. The article clearly says there will be a downturn/ recession. Something you doubted.



    But as I said previously you would argue with a signpost  ...

    You said downturn next year. It is highly unlikely, here is what the minister for finance said about it last week.

    The gradual recovery assumed in the second half of the year is projected to gain momentum next year, with the economy growing by 6 per cent



    Its perfectly obvious that the downturn is happening right now, and will be very steep, unprecedented even.

    But next year there will be a recovery, rather than your forecast, a downturn.


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