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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    JRant wrote: »
    I don't think many people realise that the Italian healthcare system imploded in 2017 when they had a particularly bad flu epidemic. It seems having one of the oldest populations in Europe has some side effects.

    Italy is not amorphous. Lombardy is one of the richest parts of Europe with some of Europe’s top hospitals and have 13,000 deaths in a population of 10 million. Rome or Sicily with a similar population to Ireland are less impacted than we are


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    GazzaL wrote: »
    Newstalk, The Irish Times, Professor McConkey, Ivan Yates, and a few others are thankfully asking the difficult questions and calling out the bull**** from NPHET.

    I think its too late. Public service wages deficit by August. Are public service workers not currently working earning €350? If they are on full pay for sitting at home, when they suffer a realistic wage adjustment in a few weeks Yates will gain a few more listeners me thinks.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Long_Wave wrote: »
    The men of 1916 would be absolutely disgusted at the mob who have taken over this country, brainwashed fools sitting on their hole at home on €350 dole perweek.

    Oh Jesus Christ


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 136 ✭✭Long_Wave


    If Borris announced lifting of the lockdown, leo would follow


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭gauchesnell


    I think its too late. Public service wages deficit by August. Are public service workers not currently working earning €350? If they are on full pay for sitting at home, when they suffer a realistic wage adjustment in a few weeks Yates will gain a few more listeners me thinks.


    Im public service and I am working from home as are all my colleagues. What public servants are being paid to sit at home and not work???

    would love that job myself


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    Im public service and I am working from home as are all my colleagues. What public servants are being paid to sit at home and not work???

    would love that job myself

    A librarian?

    A museum curator?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭Down9194


    Long_Wave wrote: »
    The men of 1916 would be absolutely disgusted at the mob who have taken over this country, brainwashed fools sitting on their hole at home on €350 dole perweek.

    This mob that have taken over this country would round up the men of 1916 and shoot them just like the Brits did. Remember they wanted to honour the Black and Tans


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭gauchesnell


    easypazz wrote: »
    A librarian?

    A museum curator?

    Just because buildings arent open doesnt mean work stops. Dont know about museum curator but our librarians are still working. Answering phone and emails queries and sourcing more books to increase access online

    Buildings are also still being maintained

    I joined my local library - I cant visit it but it still operates online


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭addaword


    Im public service and I am working from home as are all my colleagues. What public servants are being paid to sit at home and not work???

    f

    One of my neighbours fits in to that category. A well paid public servant sitting in her garden this past month.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I think its too late. Public service wages deficit by August. Are public service workers not currently working earning €350? If they are on full pay for sitting at home, when they suffer a realistic wage adjustment in a few weeks Yates will gain a few more listeners me thinks.

    Yea there’s a lot of people in cloud cuckoo land re the economy at the moment, a kind of narnia. But it’s going to catch up fast and the shock will probably be as swift as the lockdown. The government aren’t being honest about it. Public service and welfare cuts cannot be ruled out at all. The #stayathome brigade might be in for a land soon


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Long_Wave wrote: »
    The men of 1916 would be absolutely disgusted at the mob who have taken over this country, brainwashed fools sitting on their hole at home on €350 dole perweek.

    Pointed this already out to you

    Men and women of 1916


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Just because buildings arent open doesnt mean work stops. Dont know about museum curator but our librarians are still working. Answering phone and emails queries and sourcing more books to increase access online

    Perhaps- but that’s not the real issue. The issue will be lack of a budget to pay existing salaries. Inevitably pay cuts for public servants.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Down9194 wrote: »
    This mob that have taken over this country would round up the men of 1916 and shoot them just like the Brits did. Remember they wanted to honour the Black and Tans

    Men and women of 1916....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭gauchesnell


    addaword wrote: »
    One of my neighbours fits in to that category.

    well I dont know what they do...dont tarnish us all though


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Long_Wave wrote: »
    If Borris announced lifting of the lockdown, leo would follow

    Boris.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Another thing that I find annoying about this whole situation is that we have had our ability to make our own decisions taken away from us. Its an interesting one but ultimately as someone who is essential and goes to work daily in a workplace of 170 people about 40 mins away, if I get the virus, as a result of work or travelling to work, that's decided as being acceptable, but if I choose to visit my friends who for the most part aren't allowed to work and are far less likely to have the virus and live 5k away from my house its a crime. Seems a bit stupid really.

    Best not to look for logic in any of it really. You won’t find much!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    road_high wrote: »
    Perhaps- but that’s not the real issue. The issue will be lack of a budget to pay existing salaries. Inevitably pay cuts for public servants.

    How do you know?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    Just because buildings arent open doesnt mean work stops. Dont know about museum curator but our librarians are still working. Answering phone and emails queries and sourcing more books to increase access online

    Buildings are also still being maintained

    Seriously, don't try and insult those of us on €350 a week that these people are genuinely working at the moment.

    A mate of mine is doing sweet FA, they all showing cause now and again but he freely admits they are doing nothing while supposed working from home.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭gauchesnell


    does anyone on here actually know what the average public servant earns - not that much trust me. We had pay cuts from last recession so yeah pay cuts


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    easypazz wrote: »
    Seriously, don't try and insult those of us on €350 a week that these people are genuinely working at the moment.

    A mate of mine is doing sweet FA, they all showing cause now and again but he freely admits they are doing nothing while supposed working from home.

    So you mate doing nothing so that means everyone is?

    Or maybe your mate is just a lazy so and so...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭gauchesnell


    easypazz wrote: »
    Seriously, don't try and insult those of us on €350 a week that these people are genuinely working at the moment.

    A mate of mine is doing sweet FA, they all showing cause now and again but he freely admits they are doing nothing while supposed working from home.

    I cant comment on others ...I am working so yeah. There will always be wasters.

    What the hell do you think us public servants earn.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    well I dont know what they do...dont tarnish us all though

    Its not about tarnishing, its about unfairness.

    The public sector were left on full pay while the private sector were forced out of their jobs and told to live on €350.

    "We are in this together" my hole.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    How do you know?

    Is it not obvious? We’ve had two months of haemorrhaging state spending with corresponding drops in tax revenues.
    The situation will become untenable with inevitable cuts. If you believe that can’t or won’t happen then you’re naive


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭gauchesnell


    easypazz wrote: »
    Its not about tarnishing, its about unfairness.

    The public sector were left on full pay while the private sector were forced out of their jobs and told to live on €350.

    "We are in this together" my hole.

    Sorry but some of us public servants are still working and can work from home. It sounds like you cant do your job from home which is unfortunate


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,027 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    easypazz wrote: »
    Its not about tarnishing, its about unfairness.

    The public sector were left on full pay while the private sector were forced out of their jobs and told to live on €350.

    "We are in this together" my hole.

    They may pay for that yet, how many non essential public servants are at home?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    So you mate doing nothing so that means everyone is?

    Or maybe your mate is just a lazy so and so...

    Never said everyone.

    Its not that he is lazy either.

    He is in a non essential area and they were all told to go home and they check in now and again, that's it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    Archeron wrote: »
    I'm sharing a household with two family members, one of whom is a manic depressive and the other a violent chronic alcoholic. I've done everything ive been asked to do for the past seven weeks and have been so much looking forward to this Friday to see some light at the end of the tunnel. My only escape generally is to f*ck off to the mountains on my own every couple of weeks to get some respite. In recent weeks my job has fired 90% of my team and moved the workload to those remaining, meaning I now am expected to work a 16 hour day and I am questioned if I take a lunch break. I receive emails at 9pm with a warning that I have a two hour deadline to respond. And in addition I'm being threatened every day that my job is on the line if I don't do exactly what I'm told to do, and I should be grateful to still have a job, if I lose it, I'm the only earner in the house and will not be able to pay my mortgage. I have foregone some food shopping to try and squirrel away some money to an extra months mortgage. I have lost 15% of my body weight (I wasn't overweight to start so that's not a good thing)

    Despite everything I've stayed as happy as can be and been positive to any friends ive spoken to, in the hope, the ever living hope that this week would see some semblance of a plan and conscious that we all need to support each other through this.

    No apparent view of the future, no plan, no vision. I hate to say this on a public thread but on my solo inside 2km exercise today, I stopped at the river and gazed so deeply into its depths. As I walked awayfrom it, conscious of my family responsibilities, a passing jogger ran past me and coughed in my face. (Not intentially)

    I don't want the pubs to open, I don't care that I'm hairier than cousin it from the addams family, I don't care about most things but I want to know that our government have some idea what is going to happen. I need to see a plan to get through this and not a never ending, sure two more weeks and we'll see what happens. For me, every day in work is constant fear and every day off work means nothing more than additional sleep during which I have horrible, terrifying nightmares.

    I appreciate this is new to us all and we have to learn from others experiences, and i appreciate this is here to stay. But to all of those who say that were nothing but a bunch of pub missing hairdresser attending snowflakes, I assure you the reality for some is awful. As I saw on a recent meme, as I lie me down to sleep, I pray the Lord my soul to keep, and if I die before I wake, good.

    I will continue to do as advised and continue to follow the rules but please stop being so dismissive of other peoples circumstances and the reasons why some are beginning to creak at the edges.

    For what it's worth and from a stranger on a message board, I feel for you brother/sister, I really do. But try to keep your chin up, I hope this will be over soon too.

    I agree 100% with your comments on coherent and transparent communications in relation to the plan to get us out of this. I think the Government did a great job to begin with but they really need to be front and center on a more regular basis.

    People need to know what's going on...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,050 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    easypazz wrote: »
    Its not about tarnishing, its about unfairness.

    The public sector were left on full pay while the private sector were forced out of their jobs and told to live on €350.

    "We are in this together" my hole.

    Be interesting when they go to cut nurses wages.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    Sorry but some of us public servants are still working and can work from home. It sounds like you cant do your job from home which is unfortunate

    I am not disputing that at all.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭gauchesnell


    They may pay for that yet, how many non essential public servants are at home?

    well me but work continues. I finished just now at 5pm and have a few bits to finish for today


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