Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

Roger_007 · 28-04-2020 11:36PM

fritzelly wrote: »

The two don't equate

The purpose of a vaccine is to get the immune system to produce antibodies.
What they are testing in Oxford and other places are potential vaccines which can kill the virus in a test tube but do not necessarily produce effective antibodies when introduced to the immune system.
If you don’t have a virtually bulletproof antibody test, you can’t test the effectiveness of any potential vaccine.

fritzelly · 28-04-2020 11:38PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

The purpose of a vaccine is to get the immune system to produce antibodies.
What they are testing in Oxford and other places are potential vaccines which can kill the virus in a test tube but do not necessarily produce effective antibodies when introduced to the immune system.
If you don’t have a virtually bulletproof antibody test, you can’t test the effectiveness of any potential vaccine.

Antibody tests rely on enough antibodies being present to start with then add on a test that is sensitive enough to detect them

A vaccine is a whole different ball game

ShineOn7 · 28-04-2020 11:39PM

So if the posts on here and other threads are correct:

No Immunity is coming
No vaccine is coming. If it does, it wont work
It has about a 1% mortality rate
50/60% of the world's population will get it

Meaning 1% of 4 Billion will die

And to think, I nicknamed Sky News "Gloom Porn"

This place is Sky News in forum form

Strazdas · 28-04-2020 11:40PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

That's horse s### snake oil. Southern Mediterranean Region was well hit and there's no Vit D deficiency there.

There would be in winter : much reduced hours of sunlight and people more likely to have a lot of clothes on

Miike · 28-04-2020 11:40PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

So if the posts on here and other threads are correct:

No Immunity is coming

No vaccine is coming. If it does, it wont work

It has about a 1% mortality rate

50/60% of the world's population will get it

Meaning 1% of 4 Billion will die

And to think, I nicknamed Sky News "Gloom Porn"

This place is Sky News in forum form

Don't forget all the tin foil hattery.

NIMAN · 28-04-2020 11:41PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

So if the posts on here and other threads are correct:

No Immunity is coming

No vaccine is coming. If it does, it wont work

It has about a 1% mortality rate

50/60% of the world's population will get it

Meaning 1% of 4 Billion will die

And to think, I nicknamed Sky News "Gloom Porn"

This place is Sky News in forum form

Its like Joe Duffy's Live Live ffs.

dundalkfc10 · 28-04-2020 11:48PM

Why do people believe believe our government now when all they have done is lie about most things over the past 5/10/15/20/25 years?

We have one of the highest death rates per million higher than most countries in the world and nobody is asking any questions or they are not allowed too

Miike · 28-04-2020 11:52PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Why do people believe believe our government now when all they have done is lie about most things over the past 5/10/15/20/25 years?

We have one of the highest death rates per million higher than most countries in the world and nobody is asking any questions or they are not allowed too

Not all countries are recording deaths in the same way. We record them comprehensively.

Jinglejangle69 · 28-04-2020 11:52PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Why do people believe believe our government now when all they have done is lie about most things over the past 5/10/15/20/25 years?

We have one of the highest death rates per million higher than most countries in the world and nobody is asking any questions or they are not allowed too

Ah not this nonsense again.

We count deaths in nursing home

Most other countries don't.

That's one example.

Another shinner on to dish out medical advice.

timsey tiger · 28-04-2020 11:54PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

A lot of nursing homes are privately run charging up to 1200 a week.

Why is it the governments responsibility to look after the patients?

Because they are irish citizens and our gov. is there to make our lives better.

MipMap · 28-04-2020 11:54PM

MD1990 wrote: »

Is a vaccine possible considering they are unsure if people produce antibodies?

Quick google search.

https://www.mydr.com.au/travel-health/vaccination-and-antibodies

Miike · 28-04-2020 11:58PM

MipMap wrote: »

Quick google search.

https://www.mydr.com.au/travel-health/vaccination-and-antibodies

but but but but but but but YOU NEED A BULLET PROOF ANTIBODY TEST! HE SAID SO.

spookwoman · 29-04-2020 12:02AM

More you look at the community residential numbers the more worrying it becomes. I wonder if there is some delay in getting confirmation from the residential centers.

April 28th 946 lab confirmed deaths.. breakdown of lab is 446 died in hospital settings. Just says 680 died in community residential settings of that 579 nursing homes. Nothing about hospitalisation

April 27 903 lab confirmed deaths.. breakdown of lab is 431 died in hospital settings. Just says 641(+189) died in community residential settings of that 546 nursing homes. Nothing about hospitalisation. Looks like an increase of 434 for nursing homes for those few days.

april 26th no info
april 25th no info

April 24th 829 lab confirmed deaths... breakdown of lab is 406 died in hospital settings, of that community residential settings 452 died and of those and 112 in nursing homes. 376 died in hospital settings.That's an increase of 273 deaths in 1 day!

april 23rd 794 deaths 392 died in hospital settings, of that community residential settings 103 died in hospital settings.

timsey tiger · 29-04-2020 12:02AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Funny enough J, if you have a gander at this study.

Europeans with darker skins; BAME, and African Americans; as well as more southerly elderly Spanish and Italians; are often vitamin D deficient.

So maybe not so obvious?

Yea when the move to damp cloudy cold spots, like here with our long winter nights and days when the sun doesn't rise far above the horizon. Back in the
land of the sun not so much.

Jinglejangle69 · 29-04-2020 12:06AM

timsey tiger wrote: »

Because they are irish citizens and our gov. is there to make our lives better.

Weldone on missing the whole point.

Stheno · 29-04-2020 12:06AM

The US has passed 1 million cases and more than 58300 deaths today in about two months

More people in the US have now died of this than during the Vietnam war

US has 325 million population, China has 4.5 times that amount, but only 80000 cases and 3.5k deaths officially since the virus was detected there in November

They locked down end of January so if their first two months were like the US their figures wo UK ld be 4.25 million cases and over a quarter of a million deaths...

bekker · 29-04-2020 12:06AM

Suggest that all those engaging in vaccine/antibody arguments read this rather relevant article published yesterday in The Lancet.

What policy makers need to know about COVID-19 protective immunity
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30985-5/fulltext

fritzelly · 29-04-2020 12:07AM

The Great Man himself is on now with none other than Ivanka

timsey tiger · 29-04-2020 12:09AM

Hrududu wrote: »

Not true

http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=27163

"The researchers explained that vitamin D deficiency correlates with poor sunlight exposure, increasing age, high blood pressure, diabetes, obesity and ethnicity. These are all features associated with an increased risk of severe COVID-19."

This paragraph is just as likely or even more likely, correlation not causation?

btw Wuhan is only 30 north

29-04-2020 12:11AM

How is the virus really spreading, is it airborne, how do asymptomatic people spread it if they are not coughing or sneezing, is the 2m thing realistic. All questions still up in the air. We know very damn little about this virus if truth be told.

wakka12 · 29-04-2020 12:17AM

Deaths today were greater in the Americas than Europe

Brazil has reported 520 deaths today

Still not very much for a country that size, the equivalent of us reporting 12 deaths . But it is increasing a lot with each day

timsey tiger · 29-04-2020 12:21AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Weldone on missing the whole point.

I got the point, it is just that it's irrelevant.

quartz1 · 29-04-2020 12:23AM

anewme wrote: »

Do you have a family member in a nursing home, or working there? How are they handling it?

No I actually don't know anyone either working in a home or resident. I just hope that everything possible is been done ...we have over 1000 people dead ....... Be on call for Ireland, Our Hospitals are empty so I can't bend my mind to understand why any Home might be short on staff.

timsey tiger · 29-04-2020 12:24AM

Deleted User wrote: »

How is the virus really spreading, is it airborne, how do asymptomatic people spread it if they are not coughing or sneezing, is the 2m thing realistic. All questions still up in the air. We know very damn little about this virus if truth be told.

Talking is enough and super spreaders do so by shouting in noisey packed places like pubs and clubs.

BorneTobyWilde · 29-04-2020 12:35AM

USA up to 2500 deaths so far today, and they thought they were over it? They have some tough lessons ahead.

snoopboggybog · 29-04-2020 12:36AM

Deleted User wrote: »

How is the virus really spreading, is it airborne, how do asymptomatic people spread it if they are not coughing or sneezing, is the 2m thing realistic. All questions still up in the air. We know very damn little about this virus if truth be told.

From idiots really.

House parties are still rampant all across the Country.

People still visiting friends and family.

Idiots standing right behind you in line in a Supermarket.

People not washing hands or not washing hands properly.

People not practicing social distancing.

People getting close to friends and family who are not well and think it's just a mild bug.

People still lounging around in public places.

People in hospitals, nursing homes supermarkets can spread like wildfire. Could just take one person breathing on fresh food and produce. The worker in the Supermarket might not no they have the virus as have no symptons and could be stocking fresh food all day.

Jinglejangle69 · 29-04-2020 12:43AM

Germany looking at another lockdown as cases increase.

All after easing restrictions only last week.

Everyone here who is saying the government haven't a plan and should open back up give yourselves a pat on the back.

RugbyLad11 · 29-04-2020 12:48AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Germany looking at another lockdown as cases increase.

All after easing restrictions only last week.

Everyone here who is saying the government haven't a plan and should open back up give yourselves a pat on the back.

source?

Of course cases are gonna rise after easing restrictions but it's about managing it

Blueshoe · 29-04-2020 01:08AM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

source?

Of course cases are gonna rise after easing restrictions but it's about managing it

https://news-sky-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-germanys-rate-of-covid-19-infections-grows-after-lockdown-eased-11980194?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASDAAQE%3D#aoh=15881187958256&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2Fstory%2Fcoronavirus-germanys-rate-of-covid-19-infections-grows-after-lockdown-eased-11980194

wakka12 · 29-04-2020 01:21AM

Cases will rise considerablywhen lockdown ends. This is both expected and unavoidable , it's by how much it rises and how quickly is what matters

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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