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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • #6662
    omerin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭omerin


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    A lot of nursing homes are privately run charging up to 1200 a week.

    Why is it the governments responsibility to look after the patients?

    Charging 1200, thats allright so let them die, look how much their families will save. Im not sure if you are trolling but i will indulge you, a large percentage of their staff have covid or are self isolating.

    It is the responsibility of the government to look after its citizens


  • #6663
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    Hurrache wrote: »
    I don't need to define anything for "us", the smart and mature amongst us know what it was.
    Ad hominem, last resort of the baseless argument.


  • #6664
    zerosugarbuzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭zerosugarbuzz


    Why is Regina doherty still being rolled out on Irish Media, she failed to be re elected, shocked at this.


  • #6665
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,118 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Brazil 475 deaths so far today, going to be largest total so far.


  • #6666
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,120 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    zerosugarbuzz wrote: »
    Why is Regina doherty still being rolled out on Irish Media, she failed to be re elected, shocked at this.

    Like it or not she continues as minister until a new government is formed.


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  • #6667
    DevilsHaircut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DevilsHaircut


    quartz1 wrote: »
    Prof Jack Lambert still asking for the Nursing Homes to be Staffed and Leo is out for a photoshoot. .....if we don't help the Nursing Homes it's like utter negligence


    Noticeable that the Prof himself isn't/didn't mention that he was working for one, despite his constant protestations that 'there are so many of us who want to go - just let us'.


  • #6668
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    There's less than 15 COVID patients in the CUH so doesn't surprise me that you got fantastic care.

    Except they kept him sitting several hours in A and E for no apparent reason.


  • #6669
    quartz1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭quartz1


    The Politics, Regulation or Finance of Nursing Homes has no connection to the Plight of its Elderly or Vulnerable Residents at this time. The Government surely have a responsibility to do everything in their power to protect those people at this time. Shame on each and everyone of us if appropriate measures are not taken to protect them and make them comfortable .


  • #6670
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    zerosugarbuzz wrote: »
    Why is Regina doherty still being rolled out on Irish Media, she failed to be re elected, shocked at this.
    Mabe because she's generally on top of her brief, or possibly because the rest of her colleagues are 'not available for comment'.


  • #6671
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    Is a vaccine possible considering they are unsure if people produce antibodies?


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  • #6672
    zerosugarbuzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭zerosugarbuzz


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Like it or not she continues as minister until a new government is formed.

    Joke, we continue to pay for her.


  • #6673
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,120 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    zerosugarbuzz wrote: »
    Joke, we continue to pay for her.

    Tough. As I said, like it or not, she's the minister until a new government is formed.

    I'm no fan but she's not doing much wrong or any differently than her replacement would in the current situation.


  • #6674
    moonage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 877 ✭✭✭moonage


    Maybe we should be issuing everyone with Vitamin D3 supplements:
    In short, it seems Vitamin D stops you getting infected with viruses and, even if you do get infected, it helps to mitigate the worst effects. This could explain results from a, not yet published study, looking at the severity of COVID infections vs. the level of Vitamin D in the blood
    86% of all cases among patients with normal vitamin D levels were mild, while 73% of cases among patients with vitamin D deficiency were severe or critical

    Vit-D-COVID-Severity-0421-768x805.png

    https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/04/28/covid-update-focus-on-vitamin-d/

    https://www.grassrootshealth.net/blog/first-data-published-covid-19-severity-vitamin-d-levels/


  • #6675
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,141 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    quartz1 wrote: »
    The Politics, Regulation or Finance of Nursing Homes has no connection to the Plight of its Elderly or Vulnerable Residents at this time. The Government surely have a responsibility to do everything in their power to protect those people at this time. Shame on each and everyone of us if appropriate measures are not taken to protect them and make them comfortable .

    Do you have a family member in a nursing home, or working there? How are they handling it?


  • #6676
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,120 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    moonage wrote: »
    Maybe we should be issuing everyone with Vitamin D3 supplements:





    Vit-D-COVID-Severity-0421-768x805.png

    https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/04/28/covid-update-focus-on-vitamin-d/

    https://www.grassrootshealth.net/blog/first-data-published-covid-19-severity-vitamin-d-levels/
    That's horse s### snake oil. Southern Mediterranean Region was well hit and there's no Vit D deficiency there.


  • #6677
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Haven't heard HIQA mentioned once in the NH debacle.

    I thought they were the NH watchdog amongst other care settings.


  • #6678
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,316 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    moonage wrote: »
    Maybe we should be issuing everyone with Vitamin D3 supplements:
    It might explain how in the UK the proportion of deaths among darker skinned folks in the NHS appears to be notably higher than the deaths of paler skinned folks.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #6679
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,316 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Haven't heard HIQA mentioned once in the NH debacle.

    I thought they were the NH watchdog amongst other care settings.
    Having personally observed an HIQA investigation into one care home and their damning report, and the subsequent lack of obvious change in the subject of that report, I got the distinct feeling that the folks in HIQA were facing an uphill struggle in forcing actual change. Well change that required a cash injection anyway.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #6680
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,750 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Except they kept him sitting several hours in A and E for no apparent reason.
    Because (believe it or not), there is other things in hospital other than COVID.


  • #6681
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,316 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    That's horse s### snake oil. Southern Mediterranean Region was well hit and there's no Vit D deficiency there.
    Funny enough J, if you have a gander at this study.

    Europeans with darker skins; BAME, and African Americans; as well as more southerly elderly Spanish and Italians; are often vitamin D deficient.

    So maybe not so obvious?

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • #6682
    Hrududu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,712 ✭✭✭Hrududu


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    That's horse s### snake oil. Southern Mediterranean Region was well hit and there's no Vit D deficiency there.

    Not true
    Currently, all countries that lie below a latitude of 35 degrees north have relatively low mortality from COVID-19. However, people in countries that lie 35 degrees north and above receive insufficient sunlight for adequate vitamin D levels in winter and spring. These include Italy and Spain, which have low population levels of vitamin D.

    The researchers pointed out that mortality rates from COVID-19 are higher at these latitudes, with the exception of Nordic countries, where vitamin D supplementation is widespread and deficiency is much less common.

    http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=27163


  • #6683
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Haven't heard HIQA mentioned once in the NH debacle.

    I thought they were the NH watchdog amongst other care settings.
    Given a COVID-19 role when the care home debacle **** started hitting the HSE/DOH fan, classic deflection tactic.


  • #6684
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,118 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Peru reporting surge in cases and deaths and their hospital system is being overwhelmed. From Guardian Live
    The number of cases in Peru has passed 30,000, with 854 associated deaths, the country’s health ministry has confirmed.

    Tuesday’s 31,190 confirmed cases represents the second-highest caseload in Latin America. The number has more than doubled in nine days, according to a Reuters tally.

    Infections have prompted the collapse of some medical facilities, with bodies being kept in hallways, masks being repeatedly reused, and protests breaking out amongst medical workers concerned over their safety.

    As South America heads in to Winter the situation is look fairly bleak atm.


  • #6685
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,030 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Great relief' after promising early tests of potential vaccine in Queensland

    Early tests of a potential COVID-19 vaccine have shown promising results against the deadly virus, Queensland researchers say.
    Related Article
    Professor Marc Pellegrini says the National Drug Discovery Centre at WEHI is now focusing its huge drug screening capability on finding a cure for COVID-19.
    Explainer
    Coronavirus pandemic
    Will we get a treatment before a vaccine? Inside the race for a COVID-19 game-changer

    The University of Queensland's COVID-19 vaccine has shown in pre-clinical tests it can raise high levels of antibodies that can neutralise the virus.

    The university's project co-leader Professor Paul Young said the results were an excellent indication the vaccine worked as expected.

    "This is what we were hoping for, and it's a great relief for the team given the tremendous faith placed in our technology by CEPI (Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovation), federal and Queensland governments and our philanthropic partners," Professor Young said in a statement on Wednesday.

    "We were particularly pleased that the strength of the antibody response was even better than those observed in samples from COVID-19 recovered patients."
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-covidsafe-downloads-soar-as-global-covid-19-deaths-surpass-210-000-australian-death-toll-stands-at-85-20200428-p54o0e.html

    This is the group that were able to create a vaccine candidate in only 3 weeks.


  • #6686
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    MD1990 wrote: »
    Is a vaccine possible considering they are unsure if people produce antibodies?

    A vaccine is possible but not certain. There is a lot of optimistic talk about a vaccine being available before the end of this year. Personally I don’t believe any of it.
    If it’s taking so long to produce a reliable antibody test, it suggests that producing a vaccine is also going to take a long time.


  • #6687
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,367 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    A vaccine is possible but not certain. There is a lot of optimistic talk about a vaccine being available before the end of this year. Personally I don’t believe any of it.
    If it’s taking so long to produce a reliable antibody test, it suggests that producing a vaccine is also going to take a long time.

    The issue also is that the only vaccine i've heard about that's coming soon is the Oxford vaccine, even if that works and goes into production in September, by the time ordinary people can get it could be March next year..

    By that time the "R0" could be 0, or 0.1. 0.2..... which means that unless governments are going to pay for the production of the vaccine then it's just not economically viable...


  • #6688
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,118 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    A vaccine is possible but not certain. There is a lot of optimistic talk about a vaccine being available before the end of this year. Personally I don’t believe any of it.
    If it’s taking so long to produce a reliable antibody test, it suggests that producing a vaccine is also going to take a long time.

    The two don't equate


  • #6689
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    A vaccine is possible but not certain. There is a lot of optimistic talk about a vaccine being available before the end of this year. Personally I don’t believe any of it.
    If it’s taking so long to produce a reliable antibody test, it suggests that producing a vaccine is also going to take a long time.

    This like comparing making a meal to manufacturing a plane. Yes, they both involve making something but that's where the similarities end.


  • #6690
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,030 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    moonage wrote: »
    Maybe we should be issuing everyone with Vitamin D3 supplements:

    I went and got some in late Feb and have been taking them since.


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  • #6691
    PaybackPayroll
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭PaybackPayroll


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Europeans with darker skins; BAME, and African Americans; as well as more southerly elderly Spanish and Italians; are often vitamin D deficient.

    So maybe not so obvious?

    None of this medical stuff is obvious.

    Strangely enough, I was looking at a relative's blood test results only last January, and apparently they were Vitamin D deficient. However, a non-medically trained person (like me) could never figure this out from the results. The doctor had looked at other readings in the report, which also included neutropenia, to determine the deficiency.

    So even something as (what I would thought was straight forward) isn't.


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