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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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  • #4172
    Rodin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    RugbyLad11 wrote: »
    76 arrests out of a population of 4.904 million is hardly much haha

    They're hardly going to arrest children.

    And those are just the ones who actually were arrested.

    Personally I'd be enforcing before I'd be engaging or explaining but that's just me.

    Ireland is one of few Western countries where the number of active cases is going back up where it had been falling


  • #4173
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,228 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Where are you getting those figures from

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/coronavirus-ireland-is-one-island-with-two-very-different-death-rates-1.4234353


  • #4174
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,173 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    How will people react to wanting to go out for a few pints but will have to go to a pub which is under heavy social restrictions ??

    It will be like being in school 'eh John your 2 close there', 'sorry guys you cant sit there cause theres 1 person sitting at the bar and you will be too close to them'

    Could be more hassle than it's worth

    They'll probably have to rearrange things in a pods style statement arrangement and you stay in your group inside the pod. With drinks brought to your pod probably. And wipe clean surfaces everywhere. Will probably be grim enough for a couple of years tbh.

    I'm pretty much going off what I saw one publican demonstrate in the newspaper a couple of weeks ago.


  • #4175
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,216 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Nobody really expects to get back to the pub next week.

    Idiots on social media think we will be


  • #4176
    showpony1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,495 ✭✭✭showpony1


    most of the people passing from this are long term in nursing homes.
    to what benefit is young healthy people avoiding each other in street for 2 weeks.
    my roomates will be like caged animals (except with worse hair) if its raining and are left inside for the bank holiday.


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  • #4177
    addaword
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭addaword


    Stark wrote: »
    They'll probably have to rearrange things in a pods style statement arrangement and you stay in your group inside the pod. With drinks brought to your pod probably. And wipe clean surfaces everywhere. Will probably be grim enough for a couple of years tbh.

    I'm pretty much going off what I saw one publican demonstrate in the newspaper a couple of weeks ago.

    And if a bar person was infected when unloading glass washer or serving pints etc, could he or she not infect many ?


  • #4178
    billyhead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,634 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    How can you have social distancing in pubs. When your drunk you lose your inhibitions. People hugging one another etc. And what about people going to the toilet at the same time. Pubs won't open for a long while.


  • #4179
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,228 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    billyhead wrote: »
    How can you have social distancing in pubs. When your drunk you lose your inhibitions. People hugging one another etc. And what about people going to the toilet at the same time. Pubs won't open for a long while.

    This pub talk is a complete red herring


  • #4180
    addaword
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭addaword


    billyhead wrote: »
    How can you have social distancing in pubs. When your drunk you lose your inhibitions. People hugging one another etc. And what about people going to the toilet at the same time. Pubs won't open for a long while.

    Even if a bar person coughs over the shelf where dozens of glasses are. Maybe not in front of customers but would he /she always be wearing mask in bar when cleaning etc?


  • #4181
    GazzaL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    addaword wrote: »
    And if a bar person was infected when unloading glass washer or serving pints etc, could he or she not infect many ?

    Everyone will have to drink Wray & Nephews, 63% abv, and it'll double up as hand sanitiser :pac:


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  • #4182
    Spencer Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 268 ✭✭Spencer Brown


    Rodin wrote: »
    They're hardly going to arrest children.

    And those are just the ones who actually were arrested.

    Personally I'd be enforcing before I'd be engaging or explaining but that's just me.

    Ireland is one of few Western countries where the number of active cases is going back up where it had been falling

    WHAT?


  • #4183
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    The medical advisors are calling the shots and that's frankly ridiculous at this point. By all means should the Government be taking their advice and implementing measures to reduce risk - but waiting for medical experts to make decisions regarding economic health is just the wrong approach.

    Yet that's what's happening here. Leo and Co are completely unwlling to show any leadership and make any decisions that haven't been laid out for them by others, be they in Ireland or elsewhere. A big part of this is a fear of getting it wrong. A bigger is being held accountable for it.


  • #4184
    billyhead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,634 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    GazzaL wrote: »
    Everyone will have to drink Wray & Nephews, 63% abv :pac:

    Drink Dettol. Trump swears by itðŸ˜


  • #4185
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,030 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    The medical advisors are calling the shots and that's frankly ridiculous at this point. By all means should the Government be taking their advice and implementing measures to reduce risk - but waiting for medical experts to make decisions regarding economic health is just the wrong approach.

    Yet that's what's happening here. Leo and Co are completely unwlling to show any leadership and make any decisions that haven't been laid out for them by others, be it in Ireland or elsewhere. A big part of this is a fear of getting it wrong. A bigger is being held accountable for it.

    There. is. a. worldwide. pandemic. going. on.


  • #4186
    rovers_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭rovers_runner


    alwald wrote: »
    It's quite clear at this stage, based on the briefing by Holohan and the medical experts, that the lockdown restrictions will be extended by 2 weeks, unless a u-turn by Varadkar/Harris which is unlikely.
    Ramping up testing and being really well prepared for contact tracing are key to avoid a return to the current restrictions.
    What we need this Friday is a roadmap on how restrictions will be lifted from the 18th of May all the way to September.
    Some posters here, especially the trolls anti restriction brigade, are expecting miracles knowing that there is a worldwide shortage of reagent, swabs and necessary equipment.

    Knowing the amount of f*ck ups the HSE and health boards have presided over since the formation of the state do you have confidence in them to deliver the numbers they say they will in a few weeks time?

    I'd say there isn't a hope in hell they will ever hit 100,000 tests a week. Not if they had until Christmas to plan it they wouldn't.

    For sake of comparison the UK are aiming for 100,000 a day or 700,000 a week and are miles off it.
    They are about to hold their hands up and admit it.

    Our bright sparks are aiming at 14, 000 a day or 100, 000 a week which is a 1/7 of the UK total with 1/14 the population.


  • #4187
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,385 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Spencer Brown wrote: »
    WHAT?
    It has been going up for the last week if you are going by the below.
    I am guessing it be partially to do with an increase in testing, especially in nursing homes

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/ireland/


  • #4188
    bettyoleary
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭bettyoleary


    bettyoleary wrote: »
    Its in the Irish Times today Coronavirus: Irish scientist’s team leaps ahead in race to find a vaccine.
    Dhttps://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/abroad/coronavirus-irish-scientist-s-team-leaps-ahead-in-race-to-find-a-vaccine-1.4239978
    id you see it?
    They started first human trial last Thursday on two people a lady and a man looked early 40's. The man said he felt quite ill following it with flu like symptoms but hes doing ok.


  • #4189
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,557 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    The medical advisors are calling the shots and that's frankly ridiculous at this point. By all means should the Government be taking their advice and implementing measures to reduce risk - but waiting for medical experts to make decisions regarding economic health is just the wrong approach.

    Yet that's what's happening here. Leo and Co are completely unwlling to show any leadership and make any decisions that haven't been laid out for them by others, be they in Ireland or elsewhere. A big part of this is a fear of getting it wrong. A bigger is being held accountable for it.

    Hes a spineless coward, we have known that for years!


  • #4190
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,223 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Just in Ireland there covering up their massive fcuk up now. Harris is one of these people who should be cocooning with his condition. How is he in that room, he shouldn't be. He is lying to the public it's the only explanation.

    Ye what?

    There has been no advice people with crohms disease should be Cocvooning.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #4191
    Birdie Num Num
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Birdie Num Num


    showpony1 wrote: »
    most of the people passing from this are long term in nursing homes.

    to what benefit is young healthy people avoiding each other in street for 2 weeks.

    my roomates will be like caged animals (except with worse hair) if its raining and are left inside for the bank holiday.

    No they are not and many in nursing homes are positive without any symptoms. That's more evidence of the uncertainty of this virus.

    The benefit of staying as healthy people and maintaining as healthy a population as possible.

    The poor pets.


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  • #4192
    Spencer Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 268 ✭✭Spencer Brown


    gmisk wrote: »
    It has been going up for the last week if you are going by the below.
    I am guessing it be partially to do with an increase in testing, especially in nursing homes

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/ireland/

    Bad data, sure look at the drop between 20th and 21st, it's not accurate at all.


  • #4193
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Tell me how wrote: »
    If the numbers were greater Ivan would be decrying it as a health crisis.
    If people were allowed to continue working, socialising, Ivan would still call it a crisis of vested interests.
    If government appeared to be focus on political viewpoints at this stage (as in UK and US) Ivan would call it a crisis of unelected officials.

    I like Ivan, but he can run with the hare and hunt with the hounds as much as anyone given the extensive time he has spent both in politics and in the media.

    That type of journalism is the fundamental basis of democracy. Competent journalists/presenters don't communicate their personal belief's, they invoke thought and demand justification. Its times like these that poor
    presenters are so apparent, Joe wash your hands Duffy and Ryan stay at home fools Tubridy are stealing a living.
    Its so refreshing to hear Yates to question the narrative and field texts accusing him gross irresponsibility to question the actions of Leo, Tony and Simon.
    Questioning the actions of a man with experience of 18 previous Covid virus takes bravery. It also takes bravery to question a Dr who previously warned an advocate over questions directed at him during a cervical check crisis.
    These guy have being given a free reign on our future for 2 month's. Unchallenged and unquestioned. Armed detectives have been mobilised to protect areas of natural beauty this weekend. All in the name of a crisis in care homes. So I want to see them questioned, and I want answers


  • #4194
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Tell me how wrote: »
    There. is. a. worldwide. pandemic. going. on.

    And.. we.. can't.. destroy.. the.. health.. of.. the.. COUNTRY.. as.. a.. result.

    (That took a while to type!) :)

    We do not need to lock in the overwheming majority of people (destroying employment and the economy in the process) who will not suffer any long-term effects (or maybe not even any effects at all) to protect a minority that can be looked after in parallel.

    The scaremongering and hyperbole around this virus is dialled up to 11 by some. It's neither accurate, nor helpful.


  • #4195
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    gmisk wrote: »
    It has been going up for the last week if you are going by the below.
    I am guessing it be partially to do with an increase in testing, especially in nursing homes

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/ireland/

    Worldometers is not a reliable source.

    I never see active cases mentioned in the analysis here.


  • #4196
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,385 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Spencer Brown wrote: »
    Bad data, sure look at the drop between 20th and 21st, it's not accurate at all.
    That is based on the data released by the HSE don't blame me


  • #4197
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,122 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    That type of journalism is the fundamental basis of democracy. Competent journalists/presenters don't communicate their personal belief's, they invoke thought and demand justification. Its times like these that poor
    presenters are so apparent, Joe wash your hands Duffy and Ryan stay at home fools Tubridy are stealing a living.
    Its so refreshing to hear Yates to question the narrative and field texts accusing him gross irresponsibility to question the actions of Leo, Tony and Simon.
    Questioning the actions of a man with experience of 18 previous Covid virus takes bravery. It also takes bravery to question a Dr who previously warned an advocate over questions directed at him during a cervical check crisis.
    These guy have being given a free reign on our future for 2 month's. Unchallenged and unquestioned. Armed detectives have been mobilised to protect areas of natural beauty this weekend. All in the name of a crisis in care homes. So I want to see them questioned, and I want answers

    Ex FG Ivan has an axe to grind.

    Yet people think he is part of the Denis O Brien elite controlled media by the government or something to that affect.

    Shows up the conspiracy left loonies theories.


  • #4198
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    gmisk wrote: »
    That is based on the data released by the HSE don't blame me

    Its a rubbish metric. End of.


  • #4199
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,385 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    easypazz wrote: »
    Its a rubbish metric. End of.
    The person asked the question I answered it. End of.


  • #4200
    GazzaL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    easypazz wrote: »
    Worldometers is not a reliable source.

    I never see active cases mentioned in the analysis here.

    Nobody knows the active case numbers in Ireland accurately. It's not the most useful figure anyway.


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  • #4201
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Ex FG Ivan has an axe to grind.

    Yet people think he is part of the Denis O Brien elite controlled media by the government or something to that affect.

    Shows up the conspiracy left loonies theories.

    I don't care what he's axe grinding. Those guys can't get a free reign here. And they have been given one, assisted by media silence?


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