Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

TimeToShine · 28-04-2020 12:27PM

According to the numbers we have around 30% of the deaths China had due to covid-19 with around 0.3% of the population. I find it unbelievable that they are still in any register.

Gynoid · 28-04-2020 12:28PM

hmmm wrote: »

If we have 100 to 500 flu deaths a year in Ireland, that's .01

Covid prediction is around 25-30,000 deaths.

Lookit, I dunno. I checked on the WHO website for seasonal flu fatality rate. It is 0.1% in a bad year according to them. Perhaps you should pass on your findings to them.

crossman47 · 28-04-2020 12:32PM

Gynoid wrote: »

Lookit, I dunno. I checked on the WHO website for seasonal flu fatality rate. It is 0.1% in a bad year according to them. Perhaps you should pass on your findings to them.

I think WHO figure is % of those who get flu; .01% is percentage of total population.

gipi · 28-04-2020 12:35PM

Onesea wrote: »

How are funeral service companies dealing with the increased numbers,do they have to follow strict rules seeing as the dead still have the virus

Yes, there are specific guidelines for dealing with a deceased person who tested positive or is presumed positive.

The deceased is placed in a body bag and then placed directly into a coffin which is closed before being moved. The funeral staff wear PPE. The deceased is not embalmed.

For all deceased, it is recommended that there is no reposing at home - although some funeral directors are still providing this, allegedly.

My other half works for a funeral director (not in Dublin), and they haven't seen a major increase in deceased persons. There are other directors in the area, whose workload may have increased though (based on rip.ie listings).

sideswipe · 28-04-2020 12:38PM

Gynoid wrote: »

Maybe the companies should pay for those extra tools?

I don't know, I'm an Ordinary Man. I do know from the City of Chicago to the Listoonvarna every body wants to start the Voyage to the easing of restrictions. We need to Go, Move, Shift to a place where we can find a new normality that means people can work and get the economy back on track.

MipMap · 28-04-2020 12:40PM

Scotland now recommending the wearing of face masks.

is_that_so · 28-04-2020 12:41PM

Luxembourg planning to do an Iceland test blitz!

Luxembourg has announced an ambitious plan to test its entire population of 600,000 for coronavirus in a month, L’Essential reports.

The government of the small, landlocked European country says it will begin the testing programme from 19 May.

tobefrank321 · 28-04-2020 12:47PM

xtal191 wrote: »

Does this mean we'll probably be seeing less and less confirmed cases in the coming weeks?

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1255069095680266240

So basically little or no community testing unless you are from those fairly limited categories.

Princess Calla · 28-04-2020 12:51PM

Hurrache wrote: »

This is a huge point. Builders and labourers come from all over the country and outside of the state to not only cities, but small towns and villages, often served only by a small service station or deli and they crowd into it, alongside the locals, several times a day.

I'm not advocating the return to work, however if construction does return maybe a rethink on approach is needed regarding lunch.

Liaise with the local deli.... Email, WhatsApp the order in before 9, either deli deliver or one person from site collects.

It will become a new normal.

Infairness the normal was bringing a packed lunch and a flask.... That's certainly what my dad did before we all lost the run of ourselves.

Gynoid · 28-04-2020 01:02PM

crossman47 wrote: »

I think WHO figure is % of those who get flu; .01% is percentage of total population.

Yes but the 0.78% was Case Fatality Rate refered to re covid ( presumptive presently) so I am comparing like with like.

tobefrank321 · 28-04-2020 01:07PM

What complicates covid19 rates though is the vast disparity between age groups.

In Ireland of over 5000 healthcare workers who would mostly be in the age range 20-60, 5 sadly died.

It indicates a fatality rate of 0.1% for this age group. But that's with a healthcare system not overwhelmed compared to Italy.

When you get to the over 80 age group, the fatality rate is much higher, around 10% or more of those infected.

There are other groups too with different rates.

Hurrache · 28-04-2020 01:14PM

Princess Calla wrote: »

I'm not advocating the return to work, however if construction does return maybe a rethink on approach is needed regarding lunch.

You're not going to stop workers going into any of the local shops, at the expense of regulars and locals, regardless of any plans put in place.

Bringing your own lunch is the best practice, but there's not a deli or service station you go by every morning without a high number of construction workers in them.

Akabusi · 28-04-2020 01:14PM

Princess Calla wrote: »

I'm not advocating the return to work, however if construction does return maybe a rethink on approach is needed regarding lunch.

Liaise with the local deli.... Email, WhatsApp the order in before 9, either deli deliver or one person from site collects.

It will become a new normal.

Infairness the normal was bringing a packed lunch and a flask.... That's certainly what my dad did before we all lost the run of ourselves.

That or they just bring their own lunches again like old days.

New Home · 28-04-2020 01:20PM

Deliveries would be the alternative, but I agree with the "bring your own lunch" thing. That, of course, would only resolve part of the problem.

Looney1 · 28-04-2020 01:21PM

Just realised covid 19 payment is taxable

Inquitus · 28-04-2020 01:22PM

Looney1 wrote: »

Just realised covid 19 payment is taxable

Yep to be paid at the end of the year.

Looney1 · 28-04-2020 01:23PM

When was that announced

Danzy · 28-04-2020 01:24PM

growleaves wrote: »

If we get down to zero deaths with an r0 of 0.1 that's the worst of all because it means maximum complacency. It calls for a triple-double lockdown with five-month extension.

With compulsory castration for anyone caught.

28-04-2020 01:25PM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

The people that are crying are not looking for DIY shops lets be honest most of them are looking for the pubs.:D

There has been massive amounts of stock from pubs returned to the suppliers things like craft beers have very tight best before dates massive amounts of stock are going to end up going down the drain.

Behind the scenes in supply chains this lockdown is massive.

Just don’t understand that. All those craft beers could be sold for home delivery

wakka12 · 28-04-2020 01:28PM

Doctor in Temple Street I know has said that they have also noticed an increased number of COVID positive children admitted with inflammatory disease there in that hospital at least

Jinglejangle69 · 28-04-2020 01:30PM

Looney1 wrote: »

When was that announced

Common sense.

Any income is taxable.

christy c · 28-04-2020 01:34PM

Has anyone any idea how Greece has seemingly managed so well? Cases and deaths are very low, possibly partially explained by lower testing and different methods of recording deaths. But that doesn't explain the difference between us surely?

Princess Calla · 28-04-2020 01:36PM

Hurrache wrote: »

You're not going to stop workers going into any of the local shops, at the expense of regulars and locals, regardless of any plans put in place.

Bringing your own lunch is the best practice, but there's not a deli or service station you go by every morning without a high number of construction workers in them.

Well if shops are limiting numbers and half their break is spent in a queue I'd imagine they'd get bored fairly rapidly.

I personally wouldn't be able to handle the queue everyday but then I'm not known for my patience

average_runner · 28-04-2020 01:41PM

christy c wrote: »

Has anyone any idea how Greece has seemingly managed so well? Cases and deaths are very low, possibly partially explained by lower testing and different methods of recording deaths. But that doesn't explain the difference between us surely?

Really depends how they are doing things. Are they only testing when admitted to the hospital? Are they test all the elderly people in the homes etc?

Number of testing is half ours and per 1m is a quarter of ours

DebDynamite · 28-04-2020 01:42PM

bekker wrote: »

Interesting interview on Sean O'Rourke to the effect that traffic patterns, via traffic cams and stops, though somewhat heavier in towns are mainly legitimate traffic and that beaches etc are mostly deserted at weekends.

Conclusion was that people are integrating restrictions in to their routines and not breaking them. Rejectected picture being pushed on social media as very exaggerated.

I wonder if we are being subject to a deliberate social media campaign by some vested commercial or political interests in order to to undermine people's faith in overall compliance to engender a climate of inevitability to attempt to force a premature relaxation of the restrictions.

I believe so. I’ve found traffic getting ever so slightly heavier at 8am, but I presume that’s people just to work. I’m not sure where else most people would be going at 8am in a Tuesday morning. I believe it’s purely down to more businesses slowly opening, and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. I was going into work slightly later yesterday morning at 11am and the traffic was lighter than 8am. Town was deserted.

I also feel more people are driving into work now who would previously have taken public transport. The majority of us on my small team now are now driving in. We’re staying away from public transport now for safety reasons plus also the reduced timetable, but also shorter journey times into town and now available parking. A lot of the traffic you see on the roads is for legit reasons

christy c · 28-04-2020 01:47PM

average_runner wrote: »

Really depends how they are doing things. Are they only testing when admitted to the hospital? Are they test all the elderly people in the homes etc?

Number of testing is half ours and per 1m is a quarter of ours

I've no idea what they are doing, but deaths and cases seem very low at a glance. It anyone has more detail would be great.

DebDynamite · 28-04-2020 01:48PM

bekker wrote: »

Interesting interview on Sean O'Rourke to the effect that traffic patterns, via traffic cams and stops, though somewhat heavier in towns are mainly legitimate traffic and that beaches etc are mostly deserted at weekends.

Conclusion was that people are integrating restrictions in to their routines and not breaking them. Rejectected picture being pushed on social media as very exaggerated.

I wonder if we are being subject to a deliberate social media campaign by some vested commercial or political interests in order to to undermine people's faith in overall compliance to engender a climate of inevitability to attempt to force a premature relaxation of the restrictions.

I believe so. I’ve found traffic getting ever so slightly heavier at 8am, but I presume that’s people just to work. I’m not sure where else most people would be going at 8am in a Tuesday morning. I believe it’s purely down to more businesses slowly opening, and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. I was going into work (an essential service) slightly later yesterday morning at 11am and the traffic was lighter than 8am. Town was deserted.

I also feel more people are driving into work now who would previously have taken public transport. The majority of us on my small team now are now driving in. We’re staying away from public transport now for safety reasons plus also the reduced timetable, but also shorter journey times into town and more available parking. A lot of the traffic you see on the roads is for legit reasons

28-04-2020 01:58PM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

There has been massive amounts of stock from pubs returned to the suppliers things like craft beers have very tight best before dates massive amounts of stock are going to end up going down the drain.

Behind the scenes in supply chains this lockdown is massive.

I was wondering about this exact thing yesterday evening.
What would be the difficulties of a pub re-opening now? Would all the beer have to be spilled down the drain? What about the pipes, I presume they need to be flushed regularly to prevent all manner of problems? I'd say there will be a strange musty smell in the pubs when they do open again.

amadangomor · 28-04-2020 01:59PM

Just confronted spitty boy there. When I say boy he was probably in his 30s and should know better.

Eejit was on a bike up ahead and did two big spits on the footpath after washing his mouth out with lucozade sport.

I lost it after the second one and called him a knacker. He circled back and I asked him has he not heard of Coronavirus. He said of course he has and that he has a vulnerable mother. I said what about other people who have vulnerable relatives and that have to walk in your spit!

To my surprise he apologised for the spitting

bekker · 28-04-2020 02:02PM

Saw on the news that the two failed presidential candidate ex-journalists brought their small crowd of 'pro-COVID-19 spread' supporters to get in the faces of the Gardaí doing their duty outside the High Court in Dublin this morning.

No masks just spewing about their 'rights' in the faces of Gardaí at close quarters.

While I'm a fierce supporter of the primacy of the Constitution in our legal system, this is nothing to do with the rights enshrined in the Constitution.

It's just the attention seeking self-aggrandisement of two failed 'celebrities' with total disregard for the health of Gardaí who have to enforce the law with restraint.

The sooner it gets thrown out the better, were there any 'infringement of constitutional rights' validity in their case the ICCL would have been all over it. Though it must be said that the State has not been the best in legal drafting for some time and may have left space for a technical challenge to be exploited for publicity.

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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