John Waters & Gemma O'Doherty to challenge lockdown in the high Court

Laois_Man · 27-04-2020 06:06PM

freddie1970 wrote: »

I stopped following her on twitter..i used to look at her a laugh but after a while i found it quiet sad..as for the eejits that follow her ...

I'm gonna follow her later tonight - for the craic

Her initials are 'GOD'....ever think about that? There's definitely something in it!

TheRepentent · 27-04-2020 06:12PM

Skylinehead wrote: »

He used the word "normie", think that says enough.

Yeah that poster has posted sh1te before in the vaxtard thread and then legs it when challenged....they really should really stay in the CT forum but I'm not surprised they are in a thread about Gemma and her crusty bedfellow.

threeball · 27-04-2020 07:49PM

trashcan wrote: »

Oh my God, the UN are Commies now ? Heaven help us, will nobody think of the children ?

Just goes to show that she doesn't even know about the actors she professes as the bad guys. Perhaps we should send her over to the Lithuanian border where she can watch the Commie UN standoff with the Commie Ruskies.

lawrencesummers · 28-04-2020 08:51AM

Case due before the courts again today.

Only three possible outcomes.

1.They win - and they get granted airtime to pedal their beliefs and the Gardaí have no power to enforce the rules over a bank holiday, some renegade pubs might open, people travel and congregate and have an untold effect on combatting the spread of the virus.

2.They loose and vow that they will appeal until their dying breath, claim lots of conspiracy and hopefully get landed with costs.

3.It gets put back until next week. Thrown out on technicality, or some other reason to dismiss it.

Hopefully the second one, but I reckon the third.

storker · 28-04-2020 08:54AM

freddie1970 wrote: »

I stopped following her on twitter..i used to look at her a laugh but after a while i found it quiet sad..as for the eejits that follow her ...

I did the same. I thought it would be amusing but it's just a non-stop stream of effluent. And her disciples are just as bad.

blueythebear · 28-04-2020 08:54AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Case due before the courts again today.

Only three possible outcomes.

1.They win - and they get granted airtime to pedal their beliefs and the Gardaí have no power to enforce the rules over a bank holiday, some renegade pubs might open, people travel and congregate and have an untold effect on combatting the spread of the virus.

2.They loose and vow that they will appeal until their dying breath, claim lots of conspiracy and hopefully get landed with costs.

3.It gets put back until next week. Thrown out on technicality, or some other reason to dismiss it.

Hopefully the second one, but I reckon the third.

Its only listed for mention so it will not be heard today.

The court may well levy contempt charges against gemma, if she does not apologise for the content of thevideo from outside the courtroom after last weeks omnishambles.

storker · 28-04-2020 08:56AM

blueythebear wrote: »

if she does not apologise for the content of thevideo from outside the courtroom after last weeks omnishambles.

Nice thought, but that would just be the prelude to her going full Joan of Arc.

Feck it, who cares, start stacking the ******s...

(The *****s refer to bunches of sticks bundled and tied for use as fuel). :rolleyes:

osarusan · 28-04-2020 09:03AM

She should have moved to the US, that anti-communisim stuff doesn't really have much of an audience here.

maestroamado · 28-04-2020 09:13AM

can someone please tell me what this is all about?
I am not a fan of either of them and i think they are trying to make themselves relevant.

Many thanks..

lawrencesummers · 28-04-2020 09:15AM

maestroamado wrote: »

can someone please tell me what this is all about?
I am not a fan of either of them and i think they are trying to make themselves relevant.

Many thanks..

They are taking a case against the rules / legislation whatever you want to call it that has been brought in for the coronavirus.

lawrencesummers · 28-04-2020 09:17AM

blueythebear wrote: »

Its only listed for mention so it will not be heard today.

The court may well levy contempt charges against gemma, if she does not apologise for the content of thevideo from outside the courtroom after last weeks omnishambles.

Good to know, i wasn't aware. As shaky as the legislation may be from a technical point of view it is still the right thing.

maestroamado · 28-04-2020 09:26AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

They are taking a case against the rules / legislation whatever you want to call it that has been brought in for the coronavirus.

Thanks for that, i did know that and may not have asked properly.

Is there any real merit in what they are doing?
Are they doing to grab media attention?
If they win will Leo Varadkar go to jail?
Basically what likely outcome?
The Donegal thing has confirmed the legislation is flawed.

lawrencesummers · 28-04-2020 09:32AM

maestroamado wrote: »

Thanks for that, i did know that and may not have asked properly.

Is there any real merit in what they are doing?
Are they doing to grab media attention?
If they win will Leo Varadkar go to jail?
Basically what likely outcome?
The Donegal thing has confirmed the legislation is flawed.

There is merit if you think a tiny victory over the legislative arm of the government is worth the risk of the public health. So no.

Yes.

No

Delayed until irrelevant and then nobody cares.

What’s the Donegal thing?

blueythebear · 28-04-2020 09:39AM

maestroamado wrote: »

Thanks for that, i did know that and may not have asked properly.

Is there any real merit in what they are doing?
Are they doing to grab media attention?
If they win will Leo Varadkar go to jail?
Basically what likely outcome?
The Donegal thing has confirmed the legislation is flawed.

There is no merit in what they are doing in legal terms. They have made a mess of the case in terms of drafting the proceedings. Thd judge has already informed them of this.

They are doing it for media attention. This is clear because she is calling for people to artend the court.

There is no chance of leo going to jail over this. Theres a half decent chance that gemma will due to comments made by her after the last court date.

The likely outcome will be that they will fail in the application and have costs awarded against them.

blueythebear · 28-04-2020 09:41AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

There is merit if you think a tiny victory over the legislative arm of the government is worth the risk of the public health. So no.

Yes.

No

Delayed until irrelevant and then nobody cares.

What’s the Donegal thing?

Donegal thing is presumably the issue related to the fact that the gardai can do nothing if a northern ireland resident comes into this jurisdiction as the 2km restriction only applies to residences in the state.

maestroamado · 28-04-2020 09:52AM

blueythebear wrote: »

There is no merit in what they are doing in legal terms. They have made a mess of the case in terms of drafting the proceedings. Thd judge has already informed them of this.

They are doing it for media attention. This is clear because she is calling for people to artend the court.

There is no chance of leo going to jail over this. Theres a half decent chance that gemma will due to comments made by her after the last court date.

The likely outcome will be that they will fail in the application and have costs awarded against them.

Thanks for that, its appreciated. As they say there is always one, in this instance two. It seemed silly bringing court proceedings when everyone struggling day by day.

Donegal, yes indeed to do with movement of people and its difficult to understand. I would say if they had included that in case it have more merit.
They wont send her to jail but ie will keep both of them quiet hopefully...

blueythebear · 28-04-2020 09:58AM

maestroamado wrote: »

Thanks for that, its appreciated. As they say there is always one, in this instance two. It seemed silly bringing court proceedings when everyone struggling day by day.

Donegal, yes indeed to do with movement of people and its difficult to understand. I would say if they had included that in case it have more merit.
They wont send her to jail but ie will keep both of them quiet hopefully...

It might add merit to a diffrrent case as you are infringing on irish peoples rights greater than others but they are arguing against the regulations full stop. They do not want any restrictions so the error about people from the north would get them to where they wanna be.

lawrencesummers · 28-04-2020 10:18AM

blueythebear wrote: »

Donegal thing is presumably the issue related to the fact that the gardai can do nothing if a northern ireland resident comes into this jurisdiction as the 2km restriction only applies to residences in the state.

I don’t doubt for a second that the legislation won’t stand up to decent scrutiny, that the government know this but hope it will get us through the lockdown before it’s taken apart.

While it may not be technically correct it’s obviously necessary and probably the best thing that could be done at the time.

Ash.J.Williams · 28-04-2020 10:39AM

if they win nothing changes, if a cop asks you where you're going he can't stop you.

lawrencesummers · 28-04-2020 11:09AM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

if they win nothing changes, if a cop asks you where you're going he can't stop you.

You should put your theory to the test over the weekend.

28-04-2020 11:23AM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

if they win nothing changes, if a cop asks you where you're going he can't stop you.

Oh dear.....

plodder · 28-04-2020 11:25AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I don’t doubt for a second that the legislation won’t stand up to decent scrutiny, that the government know this but hope it will get us through the lockdown before it’s taken apart.

While it may not be technically correct it’s obviously necessary and probably the best thing that could be done at the time.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I think lawyers and politicians like to be certain about these things, and they just aren't in this case. It's untested, but I think there is a case to be made that the law is constitutional, but it relies on a frighteningly small number of words in the constitution, and more on judgements over the years. But, I'm not a judge or even a lawyer. So, what do I know? :pac:

lawrencesummers · 28-04-2020 11:34AM

plodder wrote: »

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I think lawyers and politicians like to be certain about these things, and they just aren't in this case. It's untested, but I think there is a case to be made that the law is constitutional, but it relies on a frighteningly small number of words in the constitution, and more on judgements over the years. But, I'm not a judge or even a lawyer. So, what do I know? :pac:

Me neither, no legal background, but it’s strange that the Gardai are directed not to make arrests for this just to inform the DPP. That kicks the can down the road far enough, it’s possible that an arrest under incorrect legislation could lead to ramifications against the state.

Maybe someone can answer how this legislation has been brought into effect without a Seanad having approved it.

And just to be clear, it’s the technicality of the legislation that I’m dubious of, not the purpose of it, i fully understand and accept the purpose of it.

plodder · 28-04-2020 11:37AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Me neither, no legal background, but it’s strange that the Gardai are directed not to make arrests for this just to inform the DPP.

Maybe someone can answer how this legislation has been brought into effect without a Seanad having approved it.

It was approved by the outgoing (and current at the time) Seanad. I think a Seanad election has to be held within some period of time after a Dail election, but the election came later, but still within the required period. Right now, we are in that limbo where no primary legislation can be enacted because there is no new Taoiseach to appoint the final 11 members of the Seanad.

blueythebear · 28-04-2020 11:41AM

Access has been blocked on chancery place according to the times. One unidentified "friend" allowed to enter court with our brave plaintiffs. No doubt they will attempt a live stream from inside the court

Kermit.de.frog · 28-04-2020 11:58AM

https://twitter.com/n_sweeny/status/1255075292705632256

JohnnyFlash · 28-04-2020 12:27PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/n_sweeny/status/1255075292705632256

It’s hardly needs to be said again, but what an appalling human being GoD is.

Be right back · 28-04-2020 12:32PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

It’s hardly needs to be said again, but what an appalling human being GoD is.

What a ridiculous woman. Hope they lose their court case.

maestroamado · 28-04-2020 12:48PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

if they win nothing changes, if a cop asks you where you're going he can't stop you.

I did technically break the rules at the beginning, the cops did notice as i was in Galway in reg not common in Galway.
There was this car with 2 men it caught up on me gradually, stayed behind for awhile, then as traffic slowed overtook and had a good look.
They then slowed so i would pass and were around me for 10 mins.
Then as we came to shopping centre they were sitting outsite just behind me at lights, when the lights changed they just went straight on.
I know they do nothing as i drove to Galway, picked up message and drove home. I had a good story if i was stopped but didn't want the bother...

AndrewJRenko · 28-04-2020 01:01PM

osarusan wrote: »

She should have moved to the US, that anti-communisim stuff doesn't really have much of an audience here.

If we were to do a crowdfunder for a one-way ticket?

John Waters & Gemma O'Doherty to challenge lockdown in the high Court

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