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John Waters & Gemma O'Doherty to challenge lockdown in the high Court

Long_Wave

Now I know they are going to get a lot of ridicule for this but the lockdown is almost certainly unconstitutional so I wish them luck. https://mobile.twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/1250421661062459399

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Laois_Man

freddie1970 wrote: »

I stopped following her on twitter..i used to look at her a laugh but after a while i found it quiet sad..as for the eejits that follow her ...

I'm gonna follow her later tonight - for the craic

Her initials are 'GOD'....ever think about that? There's definitely something in it!

TheRepentent

Skylinehead wrote: »

He used the word "normie", think that says enough.

Yeah that poster has posted sh1te before in the vaxtard thread and then legs it when challenged....they really should really stay in the CT forum but I'm not surprised they are in a thread about Gemma and her crusty bedfellow.

threeball

trashcan wrote: »

Oh my God, the UN are Commies now ? Heaven help us, will nobody think of the children ?

Just goes to show that she doesn't even know about the actors she professes as the bad guys. Perhaps we should send her over to the Lithuanian border where she can watch the Commie UN standoff with the Commie Ruskies.

lawrencesummers

Case due before the courts again today.

Only three possible outcomes.

1.They win - and they get granted airtime to pedal their beliefs and the Gardaí have no power to enforce the rules over a bank holiday, some renegade pubs might open, people travel and congregate and have an untold effect on combatting the spread of the virus.

2.They loose and vow that they will appeal until their dying breath, claim lots of conspiracy and hopefully get landed with costs.

3.It gets put back until next week. Thrown out on technicality, or some other reason to dismiss it.

Hopefully the second one, but I reckon the third.

storker

freddie1970 wrote: »

I stopped following her on twitter..i used to look at her a laugh but after a while i found it quiet sad..as for the eejits that follow her ...

I did the same. I thought it would be amusing but it's just a non-stop stream of effluent. And her disciples are just as bad.

blueythebear

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Case due before the courts again today.

Only three possible outcomes.

1.They win - and they get granted airtime to pedal their beliefs and the Gardaí have no power to enforce the rules over a bank holiday, some renegade pubs might open, people travel and congregate and have an untold effect on combatting the spread of the virus.

2.They loose and vow that they will appeal until their dying breath, claim lots of conspiracy and hopefully get landed with costs.

3.It gets put back until next week. Thrown out on technicality, or some other reason to dismiss it.

Hopefully the second one, but I reckon the third.

Its only listed for mention so it will not be heard today.

The court may well levy contempt charges against gemma, if she does not apologise for the content of thevideo from outside the courtroom after last weeks omnishambles.

storker

blueythebear wrote: »

if she does not apologise for the content of thevideo from outside the courtroom after last weeks omnishambles.

Nice thought, but that would just be the prelude to her going full Joan of Arc.

Feck it, who cares, start stacking the ******s...

(The *****s refer to bunches of sticks bundled and tied for use as fuel). :rolleyes:

osarusan

She should have moved to the US, that anti-communisim stuff doesn't really have much of an audience here.

maestroamado

can someone please tell me what this is all about?
I am not a fan of either of them and i think they are trying to make themselves relevant.

Many thanks..

lawrencesummers

maestroamado wrote: »

can someone please tell me what this is all about?
I am not a fan of either of them and i think they are trying to make themselves relevant.

Many thanks..

They are taking a case against the rules / legislation whatever you want to call it that has been brought in for the coronavirus.

lawrencesummers

blueythebear wrote: »

Its only listed for mention so it will not be heard today.

The court may well levy contempt charges against gemma, if she does not apologise for the content of thevideo from outside the courtroom after last weeks omnishambles.

Good to know, i wasn't aware. As shaky as the legislation may be from a technical point of view it is still the right thing.

maestroamado

lawrencesummers wrote: »

They are taking a case against the rules / legislation whatever you want to call it that has been brought in for the coronavirus.

Thanks for that, i did know that and may not have asked properly.

Is there any real merit in what they are doing?
Are they doing to grab media attention?
If they win will Leo Varadkar go to jail?
Basically what likely outcome?
The Donegal thing has confirmed the legislation is flawed.

lawrencesummers

maestroamado wrote: »

Thanks for that, i did know that and may not have asked properly.

Is there any real merit in what they are doing?
Are they doing to grab media attention?
If they win will Leo Varadkar go to jail?
Basically what likely outcome?
The Donegal thing has confirmed the legislation is flawed.

There is merit if you think a tiny victory over the legislative arm of the government is worth the risk of the public health. So no.

Yes.

No

Delayed until irrelevant and then nobody cares.

What’s the Donegal thing?

blueythebear

maestroamado wrote: »

Thanks for that, i did know that and may not have asked properly.

Is there any real merit in what they are doing?
Are they doing to grab media attention?
If they win will Leo Varadkar go to jail?
Basically what likely outcome?
The Donegal thing has confirmed the legislation is flawed.

There is no merit in what they are doing in legal terms. They have made a mess of the case in terms of drafting the proceedings. Thd judge has already informed them of this.

They are doing it for media attention. This is clear because she is calling for people to artend the court.

There is no chance of leo going to jail over this. Theres a half decent chance that gemma will due to comments made by her after the last court date.

The likely outcome will be that they will fail in the application and have costs awarded against them.

blueythebear

lawrencesummers wrote: »

There is merit if you think a tiny victory over the legislative arm of the government is worth the risk of the public health. So no.

Yes.

No

Delayed until irrelevant and then nobody cares.

What’s the Donegal thing?

Donegal thing is presumably the issue related to the fact that the gardai can do nothing if a northern ireland resident comes into this jurisdiction as the 2km restriction only applies to residences in the state.

maestroamado

blueythebear wrote: »

There is no merit in what they are doing in legal terms. They have made a mess of the case in terms of drafting the proceedings. Thd judge has already informed them of this.

They are doing it for media attention. This is clear because she is calling for people to artend the court.

There is no chance of leo going to jail over this. Theres a half decent chance that gemma will due to comments made by her after the last court date.

The likely outcome will be that they will fail in the application and have costs awarded against them.

Thanks for that, its appreciated. As they say there is always one, in this instance two. It seemed silly bringing court proceedings when everyone struggling day by day.

Donegal, yes indeed to do with movement of people and its difficult to understand. I would say if they had included that in case it have more merit.
They wont send her to jail but ie will keep both of them quiet hopefully...

blueythebear

maestroamado wrote: »

Thanks for that, its appreciated. As they say there is always one, in this instance two. It seemed silly bringing court proceedings when everyone struggling day by day.

Donegal, yes indeed to do with movement of people and its difficult to understand. I would say if they had included that in case it have more merit.
They wont send her to jail but ie will keep both of them quiet hopefully...

It might add merit to a diffrrent case as you are infringing on irish peoples rights greater than others but they are arguing against the regulations full stop. They do not want any restrictions so the error about people from the north would get them to where they wanna be.

lawrencesummers

blueythebear wrote: »

Donegal thing is presumably the issue related to the fact that the gardai can do nothing if a northern ireland resident comes into this jurisdiction as the 2km restriction only applies to residences in the state.

I don’t doubt for a second that the legislation won’t stand up to decent scrutiny, that the government know this but hope it will get us through the lockdown before it’s taken apart.

While it may not be technically correct it’s obviously necessary and probably the best thing that could be done at the time.

Ash.J.Williams

if they win nothing changes, if a cop asks you where you're going he can't stop you.

lawrencesummers

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

if they win nothing changes, if a cop asks you where you're going he can't stop you.

You should put your theory to the test over the weekend.

[Deleted User]

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

if they win nothing changes, if a cop asks you where you're going he can't stop you.

Oh dear.....

plodder

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I don’t doubt for a second that the legislation won’t stand up to decent scrutiny, that the government know this but hope it will get us through the lockdown before it’s taken apart.

While it may not be technically correct it’s obviously necessary and probably the best thing that could be done at the time.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I think lawyers and politicians like to be certain about these things, and they just aren't in this case. It's untested, but I think there is a case to be made that the law is constitutional, but it relies on a frighteningly small number of words in the constitution, and more on judgements over the years. But, I'm not a judge or even a lawyer. So, what do I know? :pac:

lawrencesummers

plodder wrote: »

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I think lawyers and politicians like to be certain about these things, and they just aren't in this case. It's untested, but I think there is a case to be made that the law is constitutional, but it relies on a frighteningly small number of words in the constitution, and more on judgements over the years. But, I'm not a judge or even a lawyer. So, what do I know? :pac:

Me neither, no legal background, but it’s strange that the Gardai are directed not to make arrests for this just to inform the DPP. That kicks the can down the road far enough, it’s possible that an arrest under incorrect legislation could lead to ramifications against the state.

Maybe someone can answer how this legislation has been brought into effect without a Seanad having approved it.

And just to be clear, it’s the technicality of the legislation that I’m dubious of, not the purpose of it, i fully understand and accept the purpose of it.

plodder

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Me neither, no legal background, but it’s strange that the Gardai are directed not to make arrests for this just to inform the DPP.

Maybe someone can answer how this legislation has been brought into effect without a Seanad having approved it.

It was approved by the outgoing (and current at the time) Seanad. I think a Seanad election has to be held within some period of time after a Dail election, but the election came later, but still within the required period. Right now, we are in that limbo where no primary legislation can be enacted because there is no new Taoiseach to appoint the final 11 members of the Seanad.

blueythebear

Access has been blocked on chancery place according to the times. One unidentified "friend" allowed to enter court with our brave plaintiffs. No doubt they will attempt a live stream from inside the court

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/n_sweeny/status/1255075292705632256

JohnnyFlash

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/n_sweeny/status/1255075292705632256

It’s hardly needs to be said again, but what an appalling human being GoD is.

Be right back

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

It’s hardly needs to be said again, but what an appalling human being GoD is.

What a ridiculous woman. Hope they lose their court case.

maestroamado

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

if they win nothing changes, if a cop asks you where you're going he can't stop you.

I did technically break the rules at the beginning, the cops did notice as i was in Galway in reg not common in Galway.
There was this car with 2 men it caught up on me gradually, stayed behind for awhile, then as traffic slowed overtook and had a good look.
They then slowed so i would pass and were around me for 10 mins.
Then as we came to shopping centre they were sitting outsite just behind me at lights, when the lights changed they just went straight on.
I know they do nothing as i drove to Galway, picked up message and drove home. I had a good story if i was stopped but didn't want the bother...

[Deleted User]

osarusan wrote: »

She should have moved to the US, that anti-communisim stuff doesn't really have much of an audience here.

If we were to do a crowdfunder for a one-way ticket?