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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • #6212
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Seamai wrote: »
    Maybe it's because there is a sizeable minority here who are incapable of behaving like adults.
    I've come across some very feckless and stupid behaviour here over the last six weeks.

    Remember when the government first brought in social distancing?

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    Of course more recently you had things like the traveler funeral (who don't care about the law anyway)
    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/coronavirus-ireland-large-gathering-burial-18112179


  • #6213
    zinfandel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭zinfandel


    smelly sock wrote: »
    I see more countries starting to relax restrictions which they imposed. I'm not sure what else we can do at this stage to mitigate the risk of Covid. Lockdown has probably run it's course and a different, fresher approach is without doubt neded now. We can't expect or ask people to live like this any longer. Absolutely timeto get people back to work in a safe environment.

    Lets hope companies have been using their time to innovate and find better ways of conducting business and keeping everybody safe...


  • #6214
    [Deleted User]
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    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Cavan has now more cases per 100,000 people than Dublin.

    Surely this is to do with its proximity to the border?

    If that is the case, you would imagine that counties like Louth would be higher.

    Plenty of people living one side of the border and working on the other. For example technicians in DKIT who are still working and cannot do so from home due to the nature of their work.

    A friend who lives in Dundalk still has to travel to their office in Belfast each week to perform sys admin tasks that can't be done remotely.


  • #6215
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    The difference between Sweden and Ireland is that the Swedish government are treating their adult population as adults who, given the proper information, are capable of deciding for themselves what is safe to do and what isn’t. The Irish government on the other hand treats all of its population as children who have to be told what to do.

    The schools were all closed on a Thur evening, panic buying in supermarkets, that would imply situation was serious.
    The next few nights pubs were packed.
    Most people are sensible, but there are enough selfish idiots to undo the efforts of the majority.


  • #6216
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    zinfandel wrote: »
    Lets hope companies have been using their time to innovate and find better ways of conducting business and keeping everybody safe...

    Distancing and staggered shifts are the easiest way to do it you would assume. Building sites and outdoor work like gardening etc should never have been shut in the first place. There where better ways of doing it.


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  • #6217
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Cavan has now more cases per 100,000 people than Dublin.

    Surely this is to do with its proximity to the border?

    We in monaghan has more than galway which has a population of 250k we have 60k in monaghan has to be down to being so close to the border and alot of travel to and from dublin for work.


  • #6218
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    is_that_so wrote: »
    I do wish they'd leave cars out of it as evidence of something. Why do they imagine people have suddenly found somewhere new to go? They do need to a run out after all this time and if you can get onto a major road all better for them.

    So they are all going to the supermarket? Because you aren't supposed to be visiting people outside of the home or travelling to a park to exercise.


  • #6219
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    But the food takeaways with queues subject to social distancing outside, is no more risky than going into a supermarket and shopping no?

    Its the bloody point man stay at home its not essenitial to get a bag of chips and bit of chicken or a loaf of bread when all of it can be bought in a supermarket. People are going to supermarkets then to the bakery maybe then to a deli and then a takeout some of the nights how many unessential journeys is that rather than just 1 to the supermarket?


  • #6220
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Jin luk wrote: »
    Its the bloody point man stay at home its not essenitial to get a bag of chips and bit of chicken or a loaf of bread when all of it can be bought in a supermarket. People are going to supermarkets then to the bakery maybe then to a deli and then a takeout some of the nights how many unessential journeys is that rather than just 1 to the supermarket?

    The lock it down "forever no matter what the cost" crowd like yourself scare me more than the virus or people flouting the rules. It's like they are enjoying this.

    We need to reopen. If takeaways are an issue they'd have been shutdown.


  • #6221
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    smelly sock wrote: »
    I see more countries starting to relax restrictions which they imposed. I'm not sure what else we can do at this stage to mitigate the risk of Covid. Lockdown has probably run it's course and a different, fresher approach is without doubt neded now. We can't expect or ask people to live like this any longer. Absolutely timeto get people back to work in a safe environment.

    At this stage all restrictions could be removed and it wouldn’t make much difference. People will continue to socially distance anyway.
    If the pubs and restaurants were to reopen tomorrow, nobody would go anywhere near them.
    People will avoid any potentially crowded places because they will believe that they would be in danger. There is an atmosphere of fear and it won’t go away anytime soon.
    There is actually no need for a lockdown anymore. All that has to happen is for the government to issue sensible guidelines and allow the people to police themselves which they will do so out of fear.
    Of course a small minority won’t act sensibly but they will be effectively sanctioned by the people themselves.


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  • #6222
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    So they are all going to the supermarket? Because you aren't supposed to be visiting people outside of the home or travelling to a park to exercise.
    You don't know why they are in their cars nor that they are going anywhere except to drive the car. My anecdotal evidence suggests that some people are just making sure they don't run into other mechanical issues from a car being laid up for so long.


  • #6223
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    smelly sock wrote: »
    The lock it down "forever no matter what the cost" crowd like yourself scare me more than the virus or people flouting the rules. It's like they are enjoying this.

    We need to reopen. If takeaways are an issue they'd have been shutdown.

    We need to be open when we have it under control and their is no risk of a second wave people making stupid journeys is spreading it but at very low rate their could be loads of mild cases undetected what happens if we end lockdown? Yeah it springs back up.


  • #6224
    Hrududu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,712 ✭✭✭Hrududu


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    If the pubs and restaurants were to reopen tomorrow, nobody would go anywhere near them.
    I really doubt that. People flocked to the pubs after the schools shut, until the pubs were told to close. We've had people on here defending going to the pub because at the time the government hadn't told them not to.

    I don't think there's as much fear as there was a couple of weeks ago. Anecdotal, but I'm seeing a lot more people out and about. Gathering for BBQs etc.


  • #6225
    PixieValentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭PixieValentine


    Fair play Leo... he was apparently helping out at a couple of testing centres last night.


    https://twitter.com/Kieran_MacHugh/status/1254896287813644290?s=20


  • #6226
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    Differences in symptoms partly down to genetic makeup, according to researchers at King's College London

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/27/study-of-twins-reveals-genetic-effect-on-covid-19-symptoms


  • #6227
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    PixieValentine wrote: »
    Fair play Leo... he was apparently helping out at a couple of testing centres last night.


    https://twitter.com/Kieran_MacHugh/status/1254896287813644290?s=20

    Oh no is he messing with his face mask pulling it up and down for the photo ops, will anybody think of the kids


  • #6228
    cloudatlas
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    You don't know why they are in their cars nor that they are going anywhere except to drive the car. My anecdotal evidence suggests that some people are just making sure they don't run into other mechanical issues from a car being laid up for so long.

    Sure.


  • #6229
    keynes
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    PixieValentine wrote: »
    Fair play Leo... he was apparently helping out at a couple of testing centres last night.


    And why does he have to go to "multiple" testing centres; you'd almost think he was seeking publicity or something!


  • #6230
    cloudatlas
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    PixieValentine wrote: »
    Fair play Leo... he was apparently helping out at a couple of testing centres last night.


    https://twitter.com/Kieran_MacHugh/status/1254896287813644290?s=20

    I know it sends a good message but I'd rather he didn't, he is running the show and we don't want him getting sick.


  • #6231
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    keynes wrote: »
    And why does he have to go to "multiple" testing centres; you'd almost think he was seeking publicity or something!
    Well last night he was... at home - Castleknock/Blanchardstown and today he is .... in work - City centre.


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  • #6232
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,125 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    keynes wrote: »
    And why does he have to go to "multiple" testing centres; you'd almost think he was seeking publicity or something!

    If you've nothing good to say why bother?


  • #6233
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    keynes wrote: »
    And why does he have to go to "multiple" testing centres; you'd almost think he was seeking publicity or something!

    Of course he is using it for the publicity, but it is also good leadership. I wouldn't support FG, but I think Leo is showing good leadership overall during the pandemic.

    Harris on the other hand spoofing rubbish, when people are looking for leadership.


  • #6234
    kwestfan08
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    Jin luk wrote: »
    We need to be open when we have it under control and their is no risk of a second wave people making stupid journeys is spreading it but at very low rate their could be loads of mild cases undetected what happens if we end lockdown? Yeah it springs back up.


    A second wave is an inevitability. This lockdown no matter how long wont kill the virus, it will return in some fashion a few months from now.


  • #6235
    joe_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭joe_99


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    At this stage all restrictions could be removed and it wouldn’t make much difference. People will continue to socially distance anyway.
    If the pubs and restaurants were to reopen tomorrow, nobody would go anywhere near them.
    People will avoid any potentially crowded places because they will believe that they would be in danger. There is an atmosphere of fear and it won’t go away anytime soon.
    There is actually no need for a lockdown anymore. All that has to happen is for the government to issue sensible guidelines and allow the people to police themselves which they will do so out of fear.
    Of course a small minority won’t act sensibly but they will be effectively sanctioned by the people themselves.

    Compulsory wearing of masks would make a huge difference.


  • #6236
    joe_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭joe_99


    is_that_so wrote: »
    You don't know why they are in their cars nor that they are going anywhere except to drive the car. My anecdotal evidence suggests that some people are just making sure they don't run into other mechanical issues from a car being laid up for so long.

    So true. My car hasn't moved in over 8 weeks. It is an old diesel and it really should be getting a run out


  • #6237
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Some thoughts on the Germans reopening.

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/reopening-puts-germany-s-much-praised-coronavirus-response-risk


  • #6238
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    smelly sock wrote: »
    In your opinion the behaviour is feckless. To the "lock it down forever" brigade cutting the grass is feckless.

    I wouldn't consider cutting grass feckless, you're far too quick to jump to conclusions.


  • #6239
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Might I suggest that it is a bad idea moving asylum seekers from hotels all around Dublin and a virus epicenter, to remote villages on the western coast of Ireland.
    "There has been an outbreak of Covid-19 in a Kerry hotel housing more than 100 asylum seekers recently transferred from Dublin. Four asylum seekers at the Skellig Star in Caherciveen tested positive and were transferred to Cork last Tuesday. However, there are fears locally that the number of positive cases could be higher". More here.

    Regarding hindsight, I posted over a month ago that this plan by the Department of Justice was a bad one, and vulnerable and immune-compromised people should have been moved there instead.
    is_that_so wrote: »
    Fears do not make facts, just more fear. We have also got a whole lot better at this isolation approach and the transmission rate in the community is almost zero so there is considerably less reason to be concerned than say 3 weeks ago.


    6 weeks ago, I said it was a bad idea when they were moving asylum seekers out of Dublin into a small western coastal town.
    And it is no surprise that the fear and facts had the same outcome, and was well justified:
    "There have been 22 confirmed cases of Covid-19 at a direct provision centre in Kerry, a campaign group for asylum seekers has said.The centre was opened in the Skellig Star hotel in Cahersiveen in March, and a number of asylum seekers were moved there as part of a plan to avoid the spread of the virus."

    And of course, we had to go to media outside of Ireland (The Times) to obtain this new information.
    Once again, I am disappointed that the Justice Department thought that this move during the start of a pandemic in Ireland was a good idea.


  • #6240
    PixieValentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭PixieValentine


    keynes wrote: »
    And why does he have to go to "multiple" testing centres; you'd almost think he was seeking publicity or something!

    Eh, he probably can't win on the "it's for publicity" front. People were giving out about him assessing patients over the phone as being just for PR too, sure, and he hasn't said anything much about that other than that he's doing it. Seems like he's just helping out in ways that he can? If that random person hadn’t tweeted that extremely blurry photo there’d be nothing anywhere this morning about him being in more than one. Those photos are all clearly taken on phone cameras, it was hardly a photocall with reporters tagging along. He does plenty of those to be sure, but doesn’t seem like this was one to me. Maybe I'm naive, but it just looks like he was helping out to me. And if there's a publicity element to it, does it matter? It's still pretty great leadership when the guy running the country is literally helping out on the frontline and assessing patients over the phone in the spare time he has. He certainly doesn't have to do it.
    I think it's great, same way I think anyone helping out in any way they can is great.


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  • #6241
    [Deleted User]
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    joe_99 wrote: »
    So true. My car hasn't moved in over 8 weeks. It is an old diesel and it really should be getting a run out

    Take it out for a short drive. Try not to hit anything.


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