Relaxation of restrictions Part II

road_high · 28-04-2020 09:35AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The message from media at the moment has to be no they won't lift restrictions. It'll be at the last minute they don't want us to get complacent this week. There towing the party line at the moment which is the right thing to do.
Wait and see what Ivan Yates has to say about it this evening, he's not in the bull**** business.

To be fair he’s one of the few talking abut the economic fallout and the huge costs. As well as the empty hospitals we are paying for.

jonnny68 · 28-04-2020 09:35AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Count me in, I’m done with this.

me as well, enough is enough im 100% not staying in lockdown for another fortnight after this bank holiday weekend,obviously many restrictions have to stay in place but the 2km limit and older people not allowed out has to be lifted.

Idbatterim · 28-04-2020 09:36AM

kenmm wrote: »

You mean they can ease restrictions because they are better run or what?

Yeah and they arent crippled with fear and they are rational. The government here, is basically led by what they think social media will make if a situation. They would prefer ten corona related suicides, to one corona virus death, as they wouldn't show up in these bull**** figures we hear every day!

The vast majority in these daily figures we hear, have recovered!

I'd love to see what they plan on doing if a few hundred thousand walk out their front doors and March on the dail!

is_that_so · 28-04-2020 09:36AM

jonnny68 wrote: »

yep if they announce a 2 week extension then a substantial amount of people will do their own thing, people are at breaking point as it stands.

Now the question of collective mental health becomes as much an issue as controlling the spread of the virus.

hmmm · 28-04-2020 09:39AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Now the question of collective mental health becomes as much an issue as controlling the spread of the virus.

Mental health is going to be badly affected if the virus starts going exponential again and the news is full of reports of overloaded ICU departments.

Then we'll be back to lighting candles at 8pm, but with new haircuts.

Cina · 28-04-2020 09:40AM

Nermal wrote: »

https://www.forbes.com/sites/gabrielleigh/2020/04/27/the-predicted-coronavirus-catastrophe-hasnt-arrived-in-sweden-whats-next/#7b44042b3caf

Sweden: roads busy. Shops busy. Travel agents busy. One can avail of luxuries forgotten here such as, for instance, a haircut. Spend the evening at a packed barbeque.

Field hospitals empty.

We're in the midst of a mass delusion.

It's funny how people always go to Sweden to cite an example yet politely ignore what happened in Italy, Spain, the US etc.

Spencer Brown · 28-04-2020 09:40AM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

It's seems obvious at this stage that the lockdown is being extended because they don't have different elements to control an outbreak in place i.e testing, contact tracing. How can it all hinge on a couple of admissions to ICU more than anticipated? If they feel they cant deal with a few extra admissions then why would they ever lift restrictions?! And you know I think if they came out and said to us that there have been delays but by May 14th for example we will be in a solid position to deal with it then people would accept it.
But this slight blame game going on last week about more people out and about is not sitting well with people...more specifically the 90% of people who are following the rules as they have been asked.
For the record I do support this lockdown and the next couple of weeks if that's what it takes (not sure if I could take much more after that) but I think a bit more openness and honesty would go a long way.

This is all most people are asking for, briefing the media with ideas before you officially announce them is a cowardly approach.

prunudo · 28-04-2020 09:40AM

Penfailed wrote: »

Well...no. They questioned the justification for a lockdown until a vaccine is found. That's not feasible. They didn't question the justification for a continuation of current restrictions.

He did, and specifically said if a painter is doing work while observing good practice what is the issue, that we need to learn to live with this disease as the model of the current lockdown isnt the answer.

awec · 28-04-2020 09:41AM

To date it has worked as they've enjoyed the support of the population, because the population was told it was temporary.

Despite what you read on here, there's been excellent compliance to date with the measures. But I have noticed it starting to creak. Without some clear roadmap for relaxing, and an explanation as to why they're being extended, then compliance is certain to drop significantly and there's no way it will last another 3 weeks.

And again, despite what you read on here, there's nothing the government will be able to do about it.

hmmm · 28-04-2020 09:41AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os1TJHJ_ijc

Penfailed · 28-04-2020 09:41AM

easypazz wrote: »

All these articles are just journalists making predictions, in fact we are probably doing a better job on here.

Fast food chains to be allowed reopen for takeaway?

They are already allowed open for takeaway, lots of them are, including Supermac.

Nothing new in these articles at all.

Construction to restart from next week, roadmap for everything else, phased reopening and stepback if cases get out of hand.

Nobody ever expected back to normal next Tuesday.

Really?! Anyone else saying this has been branded as a 'lockdown nazi' or a member of the 'lockdown brigade'...by you!

robbiezero · 28-04-2020 09:42AM

hmmm wrote: »

Mental health is going to be badly affected if the virus starts going exponential again and the news is full of reports of overloaded ICU departments.

Then we'll be back to lighting candles at 8pm, but with new haircuts.

What is the probability of transmission of the virus for someone who has been obeying the restrictions and keeping social distancing, visiting elderly parents (who have been doing the same) and meeting them in their garden for a chat while keeping the 2 metres distance for a few hours?

awec · 28-04-2020 09:44AM

Penfailed wrote: »

Really?! Anyone else saying this has been branded as a 'lockdown nazi' or a member of the 'lockdown brigade'...by you!

Pretty sure that has been targeted at the balloons who think the lockdown measures should just go on indefinitely.

Nobody on here expects normality May 5th.

hmmm · 28-04-2020 09:44AM

robbiezero wrote: »

What is the probability of transmission of the virus for someone who has been obeying the restrictions and keeping social distancing, visiting elderly parents (who have been doing the same) and meeting them in their garden for a chat while keeping the 2 metres distance for a few hours?

Very little I expect which is why our numbers are declining, and all allowed under the current restrictions.

Once we lift restrictions, the numbers start to rise. The only question is how fast, and the only way we have to measure this rise is to release restrictions extremely gradually.

Idbatterim · 28-04-2020 09:44AM

A government and particularly varadkar " leading " us in this crisis, the only thing I'd trust him to lead me too, would be a kylie minogue gig !

These people making decisions on hundreds of thousands a year, unsackable, unaccountable, they would think different if they were on e350 a week or looking at having their business, many in the family for generations, wiped out!

They talk about solidarity etc, fcuking hypocrites, go live in a small apartment with a few kids and work from home!

Pinch Flat · 28-04-2020 09:45AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And how does allowing people go further than 5KM (or 2KM) affect Nursing homes???
I just don’t understand this.
The Government dropped then ball on nursing homes, my own mother is locked up in one........so we all have to pay the price for this on the outside ? How does me going for a 10km walk increase numbers in Nursing Homes ?

I'm sorry to hear about your mum. I've an imuno suppressed mother in her mid 70s who's cocooning on her own for the past 8 weeks. It's very hard. The nurisng homes were let down badly.

The relaxing of other restrictions I'd imagine is to balance other factors- peoples mental health and the possibility of civil unrest if they are just extended as they're constructed currently.

is_that_so · 28-04-2020 09:46AM

hmmm wrote: »

Mental health is going to be badly affected if the virus starts going exponential again and the news is full of reports of overloaded ICU departments.

Then we'll be back to lighting candles at 8pm, but with new haircuts.

We've never had overloaded ICUs and I disagree on people. We are far more mentally set up now to respond if we had to. I think people's sights are set a lot lower than that and would happily settle for family and friend contact. We may need to go again if required but as others have said the longer this goes on questions begin to be raised about how this is being managed. You also need to ask when does caution become the actual problem.

Idbatterim · 28-04-2020 09:49AM

is_that_so wrote: »

We've never had overloaded ICUs and I disagree on people. We are far more mentally set up now to respond if we had to. I think people's sights are set a lot lower than that and would happily settle for family and friend contact. We may need to go again if required but as others have said the longer this goes on questions begin to be raised about how this is being managed. You also need to ask when does caution become the actual problem.

Exactly, loads of things are off the cards for a long time, we can deal with that, but some semblance of normality needs to resume, but this is the Irish government all over, no doubt they are commissing reports now, that love them and their mates can make a few Bob.

Allinall · 28-04-2020 09:49AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

A government and particularly varadkar " leading " us in this crisis, the only thing I'd trust him to lead me too, would be a kylie minogue gig !

These people making decisions on hundreds of thousands a year, unsackable, unaccountable, they would think different if they were on e350 a week or looking at having their business, many in the family for generations, wiped out!

They talk about solidarity etc, fcuking hypocrites, go live in a small apartment with a few kids and work from home!

What would the think in that scenario?

hmmm · 28-04-2020 09:49AM

is_that_so wrote: »

We've never had overloaded ICUs

Because we had the lockdown.

If we hadn't had the lockdown, our ICU numbers were going to the moon.

Multipass · 28-04-2020 09:49AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

Yeah and it will be extended after that , somebody needs to tell the government that this virus isnt going anywhere, any time soon

I would really like to see extensive questioning on what exactly they have done to prepare the hospitals - and most importantly, what is left to do which requires the extra weeks. Because the only reason to have this lockdown is to slow the spread to buy time for preparation. I have a horrible feeling that there is no more urgent preparation being done, and they’re stalling for time because they have no idea what to do. At some point someone has to say that this ends, we are going to end up damaging the health system and killing far more people if this continues.

Tenzor07 · 28-04-2020 09:50AM

awec wrote: »

To date it has worked as they've enjoyed the support of the population, because the population was told it was temporary.
Despite what you read on here, there's been excellent compliance to date with the measures. But I have noticed it starting to creak. .

For a lockdown to be truly effective there has to be compliance in the high 90% mark, and i'd say we're more like mid 70% compliance.

Everyone is fed up with; fruitpickers, Travellers, Northern Ireland day trippers, open airports and Ferry ports!

Idbatterim · 28-04-2020 09:51AM

Allinall wrote: »

What would the think in that scenario?

They probably spend that on a bottle of wine , I'm sure they wouldnt like it...

arctictree · 28-04-2020 09:51AM

We should put all the people making the decisions on 350 a week until the lockdown is ended. It would be interesting to see how their advice changes then.

Penfailed · 28-04-2020 09:51AM

awec wrote: »

Pretty sure that has been targeted at the balloons who think the lockdown measures should just go on indefinitely.

Nobody on here expects normality May 5th.

Pretty sure anyone that even mentions the possibility of restrictions going beyond the 5th of May falls into the easyspaz category of being in the lockdown brigade. Yet...there he is, himself.

is_that_so · 28-04-2020 09:52AM

hmmm wrote: »

Because we had the lockdown.

If we hadn't had the lockdown, our ICU numbers were going to the moon.

But it was never the fact you made it out to be in your argument for an extension.

SNNUS · 28-04-2020 09:53AM

There are not 2 sides to this, no one is expecting pubs or anything like that open in the next few months and I'm sure the pro lock down people know it cannot last forever, the only part to be looked at is where the circles overlap and restrictions such as social distancing remains and a road map for living with the virus is in place. It's not them versus us, it's progression adapting to new norms. Most people have conformed with restrictions bar the usual selfish ones or the exempt from policing lot but the lock down only route is showing big cracks now so imagine next week on an extension.

Oh and it's just my opinion and no need to attack.

Spencer Brown · 28-04-2020 09:53AM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

For a lockdown to be truly effective there has to be compliance in the high 90% mark, and i'd say we're more like mid 70% compliance.

Everyone is fed up with; fruitpickers, Travellers, Northern Ireland day trippers, open airports and Ferry ports!

We are absolutely not at 70% compliance. The examples you mentioned above are completely overblown.

Idbatterim · 28-04-2020 09:53AM

Multipass wrote: »

I would really like to see extensive questioning on what exactly they have done to prepare the hospitals - and most importantly, what is left to do which requires the extra weeks. Because the only reason to have this lockdown is to slow the spread to buy time for preparation. I have a horrible feeling that there is no more urgent preparation being done, and they’re stalling for time because they have no idea what to do. At some point someone has to say that this ends, we are going to end up damaging the health system and killing far more people if this continues.

Yeah , this is my idea of a nightmare. The country at the best of times is crippled with indecision, zero urgency, no decision making, no leadership. You could not choose a worse country to be in now at this point ... I'd say the irish governments plan, is have the rosary beads out and hope this is all a bad dream and we wake up tomorrow...

jonnny68 · 28-04-2020 09:54AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Now the question of collective mental health becomes as much an issue as controlling the spread of the virus.

it is a serious issue especially right now, im finding it tough but i know some people at breaking point

Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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