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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • #5732
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    keynes wrote: »
    That is a fair point. But we're also doing markedly worse than smaller countries within Europe (Portugal, Switzerland, Austria, Denmark), some bordering countries with major outbreaks (e.g., Austria borders Northern Italy.) I'm really struggling to come up with a country with relatively similar geographical characteristics that is doing worse than us.

    UK has the same geographical characteristics - Island, off he coast of Europe, major recreational and business links with Europe, shares a land border with another Island Nation. Climate almost identical. A population who are genetically the closest to us, with similar profiles of obesity and underlying conditions. More day to day links between the two of us than any other country. It's the one country we can easily make a comparison with, without making a large amount of assumptions.


  • #5733
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    No, it is not true.

    was wondering but i have no way of getting the figures.

    people need to stop spreading false information


  • #5734
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    Well I don't know how many are going through but we've brought in fruit pickers and let them off trusting their employers to do things right.
    That shouldn't be happening. State quarantine for anybody coming in here should be law until we have a vaccine for this thing.

    Maybe make everyone in receipt of the dole of covid 19 payment spend at least a day picking the fruit so as part of their payment. Irish people wont do the jobs. Its very bad to have to bring them in. I am torn, as what they grow is healthy and to let it rot would be criminal.


  • #5735
    keynes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭keynes


    Deleted User wrote: »
    UK has the same geographical characteristics - Island, off he coast of Europe, major recreational and business links with Europe, shares a land border with another Island Nation. Climate almost identical. A population who are genetically the closest to us, with similar profiles of obesity and underlying conditions. More day to day links between the two of us than any other country. It's the one country we can easily make a comparison with, without making a large amount of assumptions.


    UK's initial policy was herd immunity; i.e., intentionally have the disease spread as quickly as possible before the winter. So the fact we are doing better than them is somehow commendable?


  • #5736
    keynes
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Bear in mind Austria probably contributed most to the speed of spread all over Europe, while on the one hand making public statements that they were controlling the border with Italy, while on the other ignoring breakouts related to ski resorts, most notably Ischl where there is evidence from where it was spreading all over Europe from early February.
    Was in Austria myself at the start of March. Compared to here there was zero information at Airports, Hotels etc. related to Covid-19, while even if we had no restrictions we had notices plastered everywhere.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52384572


    This only underlines how effective the Austrian response was when they did take action (like closing their border on 11 March)


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  • #5737
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    keynes wrote: »
    UK's initial policy was herd immunity; i.e., intentionally have the disease spread as quickly as possible before the winter. So the fact we are doing better than them is somehow commendable?

    My point is they are the country who its easiest to do a direct comparison with, and they are also the country with which we have the most daily travel to and from.


  • #5738
    1800_Ladladlad
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    Does anybody know why a convoy of U.N armoured vehicles were on the Naas road this morning? Sorry if its been answered, went back a couple of pages but nothing.


  • #5739
    JPCN1
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    Ferris_Bueller wrote: »
    One of the things confusing me the most about this is some of the information around testing. We heard they are hoping to test 100,000 people a week a few days ago (won't have a capacity until mid May), but did they not say about 5 or 6 weeks ago that they were going to be able to test 15,000 per day? It feels like pie in the sky stuff talking about 100,000 tests per week and I feel like it is getting harder to believe them when they are talking about testing figures.

    Similarly there was the talk of the contact tracing app a few weeks ago, all went quiet and then they talk about it again yesterday saying it will be ready in a month. It feels like they are just kicking the can down the road with some of these things and trying to make it sound like they are making more progress than they are.

    It's the HSE... remember PPARS?


  • #5740
    s1ippy
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    Some nice bits of news, normality returning to some parts of the world



    New Zealand is declared basically COVID free and has 'won the battle'. The PM has boldly declared'' there is no widespread, undetected community transmission in New Zealand,"
    https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/new-zealand-covid-19-lockdown-lifted-fishing-hunting-12679204

    Indonesia hopes to see cases decline June, normal life to resume in July
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-indonesia/indonesia-hopes-for-return-to-normal-lives-by-july-idUSKCN2291BU?il=0&utm_source=reddit.com

    Lockdown lifted in parts of Dubai
    https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/dubai-lifts-covid-19-lockdown-on-two-densely-populated-12679516

    Iran will soon reopen mosques in covid free regions of the country
    https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/iran-plans-reopen-mosques-areas-free-covid-19-12678988
    Looking forward to seeing how all that goes, genuinely. Let's hope it's not just to try and save their economies at any cost.


  • #5741
    rameire
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    1800_Ladladlad wrote: »
    Does anybody know why a convoy of U.N armoured vehicles were on the Naas road this morning? Sorry if its been answered, went back a couple of pages but nothing.

    On their way to the Curragh, to help peace keeping activities with the New locals who have setup camp recently.
    Irish Law does not apply to them so the UN is required.

    🌞 3.8kwp, 🌞 Clonee, Dub.🌞



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  • #5742
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    1800_Ladladlad wrote: »
    Does anybody know why a convoy of U.N armoured vehicles were on the Naas road this morning? Sorry if its been answered, went back a couple of pages but nothing.

    Could be that the UN have seen how poorly we have handled Covid-19 and decided to take over the running of the country, or Irish Army based in the Curragh who support UN activities and out and about on manoeuvres with the UN livery on their vehicles


  • #5743
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    Boris is back

    https://www.bbc.com/news/video_and_audio/headlines/52440254/boris-johnson-speech-pm-warns-we-are-at-moment-of-maximum-risk


  • #5744
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    speckle wrote: »
    Boris is back

    https://www.bbc.com/news/video_and_audio/headlines/52440254/boris-johnson-speech-pm-warns-we-are-at-moment-of-maximum-risk

    Great news


  • #5745
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    speckle wrote: »
    Boris is back

    https://www.bbc.com/news/video_and_audio/headlines/52440254/boris-johnson-speech-pm-warns-we-are-at-moment-of-maximum-risk

    Judging by the look of him this morning he needs to lift the restrictions on hairdressers very soon.:P


  • #5746
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    Well I don't know how many are going through but we've brought in fruit pickers and let them off trusting their employers to do things right.
    That shouldn't be happening. State quarantine for anybody coming in here should be law until we have a vaccine for this thing.

    There is a good chance that we never have a vaccine for this thing. Or best case is a couple of years (to being able to manufacture in sufficient quantities). Do you want to close our borders for that long (which is effectively what a quarantine is)?

    Spanish Flu took around a year from 1st peak to dying out naturally. COVID will likely be longer because we are flattening the curve and slowing it down. Shutting up shop to visitors until 2022 will be an act of national economic suicide, let alone the impact it will have on families that are split between Ireland and the UK


  • #5747
    igCorcaigh
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    BBC picking up on this story.


    BBC News - Coronavirus alert: Rare syndrome seen in UK children
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52439005
    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    I don't know if this reliable or not, but possibly worth a look.

    https://twitter.com/PICSociety/status/1254508725227982848?s=19


  • #5748
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    mandrake04 wrote: »
    Your are right a lot different.

    NZ tested like hell when it mattered... at the start the middle and the end in a timely fashion. They did them themselves too.

    They didn’t sit around with 30,000-40,000 samples for 2-3 weeks then send to another country to be test.

    They got a head start because of the small number of cases that seeded the infection. With an R0 of 4, the 800 confirmed cases in Ireland associated with overseas travel, the majority of which returned before restrictions were introduced anywhere in Europe, with the possible exception of Northern Italy, would have seeded 3,200 cases. This is why it spread so fast here, a lot of simultaneous infection points arriving from also over Europe, prior to any restrictions being put in place. New Zealand did not have the same number of people returning therefore it started at a slower pace. The restrictions in New Zealand started no earlier than here. The way in which New Zealand handled it from that point is exceptional, and I doubt given the same starting circumstances we would have done as well. However it is not like with like


  • #5749
    Rob A. Bank
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    fly_agaric wrote: »
    It is a bit daft.

    They have a whole ocean around them that takes a few hours to cross rather than a narrow bit of sea, and are still quite isolated when compared to ourselves.

    We may be an island but it is not 1900 (!), or even 1980 any more.
    We are in the EU + the Eurozone, we have one of the most "open" economies in the world with huge amounts of tourism and trade with several countries that have been quite badly hit by this virus.

    Right up to mid March we were wide open to new cases coming in (returning citizens, as well as foreign tourists) from any of 6 or so countries which have have since had very large outbreaks.

    It does not matter if it takes a few hours or 10 minutes to fly (or boat) to an island... the important factor is that there are a limited number of entry choke points where it is possible to screen arrivals on every island.

    This 'island' advantage was used with great effect during the foot and mouth epidemic in 2001. Ian Paisley did not play politics at the time and realized defense of the island as a whole was possible. There was close cooperation North and South and it worked.

    I invite you to look at the figures from another island... Taiwan (pop 24 million) an island 81 miles (128km) from the Chinese coast less than half the size of Ireland, with some 850,000 Taiwanese living and working in China. No lockdowns, widespread masking, testing and temp checks etc. etc.

    They have had 429 cases and 6 deaths.


  • #5750
    kwestfan08
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    bekker wrote: »
    'People' in Ireland thinking of breaking the current restrictions should bear in mind that 60% of Irish adults are overweight.

    Being overweight is a risk factor for hypertension a risk factor for COVID-19, and Ireland very high % of undiagnosed hypertension.

    23% of Irish adults are obese which is an even greater risk factor for COVID-19.

    That total of 60% is in no way restricted to the over 65s, so the chances of ****ting on one of their contemporaries is higher than they think.

    All very true. But in fairness if you're overweight or obese chances of you giving a toss about a healthy lifestyle are slim to none anyway so it's not like warnings will hold them back.


  • #5751
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    keynes wrote: »
    UK's initial policy was herd immunity; i.e., intentionally have the disease spread as quickly as possible before the winter. So the fact we are doing better than them is somehow commendable?

    Everyone's initial strategy was herd immunity - they just didn't say it, and disagreed on how early to start the slow down by moving from Containment to Mitigation and Mitigation to Suppression.

    One or the largest impacts on the death rates in different countries will simply be the type of people who were unfortunate enough to contact it.


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  • #5752
    gabeeg
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    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Great news

    Yeah, now he can be held to account


  • #5753
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    keynes wrote: »
    This only underlines how effective the Austrian response was when they did take action (like closing their border on 11 March)

    I'm sorry, I like Austria and Austrians, but their response was a large contributor to the scale of the problem.
    Also, they did not close the Border on the 11th.
    Austria
    Foreign travellers from outside the Schengen area are prohibited from entering Austria until further notice.

    EU citizens and foreigners who are entitled to enter are obliged to do a 14-day self-monitored home quarantine immediately after entering the country by air.

    With few exceptions, much of the country's land borders with Hungary, the Czech Republic, Germany, Switzerland and Italy are blocked.

    I don't see any further restrictions there than we have? Anyone entitled to enter can show up at the Border. May not be the most convenient border post but you can still enter.
    Also they closed schools and universities after we did.


  • #5754
    Rob A. Bank
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Everyone's initial strategy was herd immunity - they just didn't say it, and disagreed on how early to start the slow down by moving from Containment to Mitigation and Mitigation to Suppression.

    One or the largest impacts on the death rates in different countries will simply be the type of people who were unfortunate enough to contact it.

    Who is your 'everyone' ?

    New Zealand, China and all the countries who have succeeded in limiting spread of this virus certainly did not try the totally unethical and immoral 'Herd Immunity' strategy.


  • #5755
    hawkelady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭hawkelady


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Everyone's initial strategy was herd immunity - they just didn't say it, and disagreed on how early to start the slow down by moving from Containment to Mitigation and Mitigation to Suppression.

    One or the largest impacts on the death rates in different countries will simply be the type of people who were unfortunate enough to contact it.

    Are you going to apologise for your outrageous comment earlier where you stated that 100k people flew into Ireland today ... nothing you say will ever hold water until you do the right thing and say you were talking complete s€?te and withdraw the comment


  • #5756
    Gregor Samsa
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    hawkelady wrote: »
    Are you going to apologise for your outrageous comment earlier where you stated that 100k people flew into Ireland today ... nothing you say will ever hold water until you do the right thing and say you were talking complete s€?te and withdraw the comment

    He's edited his post to plead the Donald Trump defense: sarcasm!


  • #5757
    mandrake04
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    They got a head start because of the small number of cases that seeded the infection. With an R0 of 4, the 800 confirmed cases in Ireland associated with overseas travel, the majority of which returned before restrictions were introduced anywhere in Europe, with the possible exception of Northern Italy, would have seeded 3,200 cases. This is why it spread so fast here, a lot of simultaneous infection points arriving from also over Europe, prior to any restrictions being put in place. New Zealand did not have the same number of people returning therefore it started at a slower pace. The restrictions in New Zealand started no earlier than here. The way in which New Zealand handled it from that point is exceptional, and I doubt given the same starting circumstances we would have done as well. However it is not like with like

    Sure I understand that, they cancelled the Rugby match but 4000 Italians came anyway and at the time everyone knew what was going happen.

    https://www.change.org/p/taoiseach-stop-5000-fans-from-infected-regions-in-italy-flying-in-for-cancelled-rugby-e57585ed-a777-42af-80a3-73d54ec504a2


    Ireland could have been in NZ situation, but it won’t be for months.


  • #5758
    Rob A. Bank
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    INMO Trolley Watch figures for April 27th 2020

    39 beds short in Ireland's Hospitals today, Limerick having the main problem.

    https://www.inmo.ie/Trolley_Ward_Watch


  • #5759
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Distribution of laboratory confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the EU/EEA and the UK, as of 27 April 2020 @ 08:00 hrs. CET

    novel-coronavirus-cases-EU-UK-2020-04-27.png?itok=Ef6rOLFC

    Falling numbers of daily cases in Europe continue, UK contributing the most cases now.

    Larger clickable version here :- https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea


  • #5760
    Tony EH
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    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Good to see Germany treating these people how they are.......A massive infection risk. No disrespect to any country etc. People from Northern Ireland, UK, US, China are the same. In pandemic everyone external is. It's not stopping the asparagus being picked.

    It's in stark contrast to Keelings and Dublin Airport.

    https://twitter.com/QuickTake/status/1254656550104432640?s=20

    Why are any countries bringing foreign labour in, when they've 100,000's of their own labour force out of work?

    :confused:


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  • #5761
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    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    Who is your 'everyone' ?

    New Zealand, China and all the countries who have succeeded in limiting spread of this virus certainly did not try the totally unethical and immoral 'Herd Immunity' strategy.

    Flatten the curve is what everyone talked about. All the graphics had the same area under the curve just a lower peak over a longer time, which is what we are achieving as of now. Long term everyone will need herd immunity or a vaccine, which might never come, or a new way of living isolated from the wider community and world.


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