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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    owlbethere wrote: »
    Surely if children become infected with the virus, they can transmit the virus to those around them if they cough/sneeze/snotty nose.

    It is not so sure. Kids rarely gets ill with this disease. A main guy in South Korea, a professor, said in his video posted here few days ago, that Covid-19 is infectious precisely 2 days before showing symptoms in the patients. It came from their case tracing.

    So if kids don't get sick, so maybe they never display these 2-days pre symptomatic contagious window of spreading disease?

    EDIT:
    I don't want in any way encourage kids to mingle with others. I am only pointing out that this is worth checking before locking all schools in future with the second wave.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Strazdas wrote: »
    I'm guessing the hundreds of positives are down to majorly ramped up testing in the nursing homes. But it doesn't sound like there are many hundreds of seriously ill people being discovered every day......it may well be that these new ones have mostly mild symptoms (with obvious exceptions of course).

    except that you have to be pretty sick to even get tested and they haven't changed the criteria and have told us no backlog for quiet a while. I'm worried things are not at all under control.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    I don't know if this reliable or not, but possibly worth a look.

    https://twitter.com/PICSociety/status/1254508725227982848?s=19


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,119 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    I don't know if this reliable or not, but possibly worth a look.

    https://twitter.com/PICSociety/status/1254508725227982848?s=19

    Looks like its the typical whatsapp message that gets picked up then circulated and before you know people are tweeting it without any verification
    Shame on that twitter account


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    And cancelling the rugby match but letting the Italians arrive . No match on so the flocked to pubs and restaurants

    Is this why Dublin is so much worse than everywhere else?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    I don't know if this reliable or not, but possibly worth a look.

    https://twitter.com/PICSociety/status/1254508725227982848?s=19

    might be something in it alright

    https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/191/4/499/937208


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    The verified NHS page liked and shared so I'd say so


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Wombatman wrote: »
    Ahead of Sweden in deaths per million.

    And they count nursing home deaths.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Looks like its the typical whatsapp message that gets picked up then circulated and before you know people are tweeting it without any verification
    Shame on that twitter account

    People agreeing with it seem to genuine doctors though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,756 ✭✭✭Pretzill


    Is this why Dublin is so much worse than everywhere else?

    I don't think that helped at all - it was early enough but it shouldn't have happened, however I think Dublin is worse simply because of population - that seems to be the trend in most places; London, New York, Paris, Madrid etc.

    What I don't understand is how (at the moment anyway) globally the spread seems to be worse across the Western World.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,119 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    People agreeing with it seem to genuine doctors though.

    True - but they are finding it in non + kids as well, probably something completely unrelated


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    fritzelly wrote: »
    True - but they are finding it in non + kids as well, probably something completely unrelated

    Because the viral disease has passed?
    They have found SARS2-Cv antibodies in some cases.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Pretzill wrote: »
    I don't think that helped at all - it was early enough but it shouldn't have happened, however I think Dublin is worse simply because of population - that seems to be the trend in most places; London, New York, Paris, Madrid etc.

    What I don't understand is how (at the moment anyway) globally the spread seems to be worse across the Western World.


    It is not an obvious disease. The symptoms are not very different from a bad flu. Including death. Don't test for it and you never find it. You just get more dead people. I would not be surprised to find that many other places have been hit hard.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭joe_99


    Is this why Dublin is so much worse than everywhere else?

    Apart from Cavan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Is this why Dublin is so much worse than everywhere else?

    Dublin is worse than everywhere else because its our only major urban area

    Honesty Im surprised cases arent even more concentrated in Dublin considering how much of the country lives in completely sparsely populated areas


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭Xertz


    The masks used in that hospital in italy. They are reusable for a very long period. The filters are to the highest standards specifically niosh and for various applications which may or may not be approved in a healthcare setting. If eu demands a standard which is oil resistant you buy the fp3 equivalent oil resistant filters. Point is these do not need to be replaced several times a day. The fact is due to the seal these respirators can create the effect of contamination is drastically reduced. Also vison and communication are improved.

    Italy is in the EU. How come they don’t need to be told it’s ok?

    There are plenty of devices which will be approved to all of the above and comply or exceed them. You’ll get effectively the same devices meeting multiple standards for use in big markets. The US and EN standards tend to dominate globally anyway, so most others will just be a local adaptation, or direct copy of one or the other.

    All I’m saying is that the standards applicable in Europe are normally European standards.

    The US even started to accept Chinese KN95 as there was a shortage of N95 masks.

    There’s no need to turn this into some political EU thing. “Needs must” in a crisis and things will be used that are available.

    The EU even dropped the requirement to certify certain short supply medical equipment as per usual rules a few weeks ago - so US, Chinese and other devices can be placed on the market if that’s all that’s what’s available.

    https://www.mhc.ie/latest/insights/covid-19-eu-relaxes-rules-to-allow-critical-medical-devices-to-be-placed-on-the-market

    The downside of it is very much as per your user name, buyer beware! Especially with equipment from unknown and unfamiliar sources.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭ThePopehimself


    My mother in law was tested in the Nursing Home 9 days ago.

    Called the Nursing Home this morning, we still have no results.

    (I posted earlier this morning #3404)

    Is sometime in excess of 9 days the new improved turnaround in testing time?!

    Update: It is day 12 now and still waiting on the test results.

    Still a torturous wait for my father in Law. He is not managing too well at all. They were 15 years old when they met - 65 years together - he is lost without her. The wait for the results has so far meant that his GP has prescribed him a stronger sleeping pill.

    He isn't doing well. The wait for him is torture. 12 days in a Nursing home that has had 6 deaths is too much.

    According to staff, they will 'probably test them all again next week' - which makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever given that the first lot of tests aren't even back yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭poppers


    Update: It is day 12 now and still waiting on the test results.

    Still a torturous wait for my father in Law. He is not managing too well at all. They were 15 years old when they met - 65 years together - he is lost without her. The wait for the results has so far meant that his GP has prescribed him a stronger sleeping pill.

    He isn't doing well. The wait for him is torture. 12 days in a Nursing home that has had 6 deaths is too much.

    According to staff, they will 'probably test them all again next week' - which makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever given that the first lot of tests aren't even back yet.
    Seems a bit extreem. Nursing home my sister works in tested thurs got results sat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    Update: It is day 12 now and still waiting on the test results.

    Still a torturous wait for my father in Law. He is not managing too well at all. They were 15 years old when they met - 65 years together - he is lost without her. The wait for the results has so far meant that his GP has prescribed him a stronger sleeping pill.

    He isn't doing well. The wait for him is torture. 12 days in a Nursing home that has had 6 deaths is too much.

    According to staff, they will 'probably test them all again next week' - which makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever given that the first lot of tests aren't even back yet.

    That's horrible. I'm so sorry to hear it :(

    It sounds very much like a disconnect in the system, where your mother in laws test was before they prioritised tests from Nursing Homes (that's no excuse though!). Hopefully she has more information soon, even if it's a case she has a new round of tests, as far as I'm aware they're now prioritised.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,875 ✭✭✭mightyreds


    Update: It is day 12 now and still waiting on the test results.

    Still a torturous wait for my father in Law. He is not managing too well at all. They were 15 years old when they met - 65 years together - he is lost without her. The wait for the results has so far meant that his GP has prescribed him a stronger sleeping pill.

    He isn't doing well. The wait for him is torture. 12 days in a Nursing home that has had 6 deaths is too much.

    According to staff, they will 'probably test them all again next week' - which makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever given that the first lot of tests aren't even back yet.

    My father's uncle is in a nursing home, he got tested last Sunday got the results yesterday , he is positive but only has mild symptoms his roommate has already passed away from it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭ThePopehimself


    poppers wrote: »
    Seems a bit extreem. Nursing home my sister works in tested thurs got results sat.

    Right!!! Thank you for that! Very very interesting.... I'm going to be really honest here;

    We are smelling a rat. A really big one. We are beginning to wonder if she was ever even tested at all.

    I called the 'HSE Live' number 3 days ago. I gave them the details, they gave me the number of the lab in Dublin. They told me that her test would certainly go there. So....

    I called the lab. They said they could 'Certainly update me' they just needed My Mother in Laws 'Testing TAG NUMBER which the Nursing Home would have' and they could update me. They were certain the Nursing home would have the Tag Number.....however....

    I called the Nursing home, explained that all I needed was the 'Testing Tag Number' - but I was told (abruptly)that the manager was on another call. I called again. And then again. I waited all day. late that evening, The Nursing Home said that " They would NOT have those 'testing tag details"...that no nursing homes would have those details.... but that "if she (my Mother in law) did have it, she is over the worst of it....and that anyway, they were probably going to test everyone again anyway next week."

    I DID NOT BUY THAT.

    I am much more able than my elderly father in law...he is not coping well with wait. My Mother in Law's recent lethargy and complete lack of appetite has him legitimately worried into visiting his GP for sleeping pills. Not good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭ThePopehimself


    Miike wrote: »
    That's horrible. I'm so sorry to hear it :(

    It sounds very much like a disconnect in the system, where your mother in laws test was before they prioritised tests from Nursing Homes (that's no excuse though!). Hopefully she has more information soon, even if it's a case she has a new round of tests, as far as I'm aware they're now prioritised.

    Yep, Thank you so much. it is rotten. My father is law if not doing well at all. Thank you for that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭ThePopehimself


    mightyreds wrote: »
    My father's uncle is in a nursing home, he got tested last Sunday got the results yesterday , he is positive but only has mild symptoms his roommate has already passed away from it.

    That's hard. So sorry to hear that. I hope he continues to do okay.

    It is rotten looking from outside a closed window at someone you love who cant hear anything you say....especially when they are sad.

    It sucks so very much.

    This Virus is hard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭OneEightSeven


    3751 worldwide deaths today. Weekend figures in April are lower than weekly figures but it's the lowest daily death toll since 29th March.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 689 ✭✭✭rm212


    SO told me about this news today (I’ve put it through translate so people can read), makes you worried about lifting measures...

    One person infected 22 people out of a group of 26 contacts traced after kindergartens reopened.

    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&nv=1&pto=aue&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.nrk.no/rogaland/flere-barn-smittet-av-koronavirus-i-karmoy-1.14996082&usg=ALkJrhgnWwUe7AGuq0RJoP88QMFNopYzWQ


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    I don't know if this reliable or not, but possibly worth a look.

    https://twitter.com/PICSociety/status/1254508725227982848?s=19

    Been trying to see if this could be a real thing. The account tweeting it is real, real doctors are replying. But it is not on NHS twitter timeline nor on the actual PICS UK site though that may not have been updated. I can find no other mention of it just googling.

    If anyone finds out about it, would be good to know. Thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    Right!!! Thank you for that! Very very interesting.... I'm going to be really honest here;

    We are smelling a rat. A really big one. We are beginning to wonder if she was ever even tested at all.

    I called the 'HSE Live' number 3 days ago. I gave them the details, they gave me the number of the lab in Dublin. They told me that her test would certainly go there. So....

    I called the lab. They said they could 'Certainly update me' they just needed My Mother in Laws 'Testing TAG NUMBER which the Nursing Home would have' and they could update me. They were certain the Nursing home would have the Tag Number.....however....

    I called the Nursing home, explained that all I needed was the 'Testing Tag Number' - but I was told (abruptly)that the manager was on another call. I called again. And then again. I waited all day. late that evening, The Nursing Home said that " They would NOT have those 'testing tag details"...that no nursing homes would have those details.... but that "if she (my Mother in law) did have it, she is over the worst of it....and that anyway, they were probably going to test everyone again anyway next week."

    I DID NOT BUY THAT.

    I am much more able than my elderly father in law...he is not coping well with wait. My Mother in Law's recent lethargy and complete lack of appetite has him legitimately worried into visiting his GP for sleeping pills. Not good.

    thats crazy about the test. offeringr a few quick suggestions which you may have thought about already.
    A. ring lab back and report the situation.
    (then in no particular order.)
    1. time to contact media.
    2. time to make your t.d. work.
    3. ring the garda and use covid legislation to your advantage.
    4. ring your solictor.
    5. ring hiqa etc.

    hope one of these might help your situation. If you need help finding numbers/ emails for the above, let me know and i will try.
    cant believe they said shes over the worst of it like its just a common cold. aaargh.


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    speckle wrote: »
    thats crazy about the test. offeringr a few quick suggestions which you may have thought about already.
    A. ring lab back and report the situation.
    (then in no particular order.)
    1. time to contact media.
    2. time to make your t.d. work.
    3. ring the garda and use covid legislation to your advantage.
    4. ring your solictor.
    5. ring hiqa etc.

    hope one of these might help your situation. If you need help finding numbers/ emails for the above, let me know and i will try.
    cant believe they said shes over the worst of it like its just a common cold. aaargh.

    It is very important for people to get confirmation that a loved one has tested positive, however, the fact of a positive test should not materially impact treatment in any way as suspect cases should be treated as positive until confirmed otherwise.
    If in the situation mentioned the nursing home passed information that the patient is improving is that not positive. Its not a cold or flu, but even still, the vast majority of patients of all ages will recover.

    Ringing the guards or hiqa or whoever because of a delay in receiving tests results is an overreaction of the highest degree when these resources are under strain as it is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    Gynoid wrote: »
    Been trying to see if this could be a real thing. The account tweeting it is real, real doctors are replying. But it is not on NHS twitter timeline nor on the actual PICS UK site though that may not have been updated. I can find no other mention of it just googling.

    If anyone finds out about it, would be good to know. Thanks.

    It has been cited here as well

    Originally posted by spookwoman:

    https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/191/4/499/937208


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Good to see Germany treating these people how they are.......A massive infection risk. No disrespect to any country etc. People from Northern Ireland, UK, US, China are the same. In pandemic everyone external is. It's not stopping the asparagus being picked.

    It's in stark contrast to Keelings and Dublin Airport.

    https://twitter.com/QuickTake/status/1254656550104432640?s=20


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