Is kim jong un dead ?

Sofiztikated · 26-04-2020 12:01pm

manonboard wrote: »

I thought about him/her a few times while reading the thread. I keep getting unpleasant images in my head. I hope, they just killed him and that was that. Surgery goes wrong, it happens. But in such an unpleasant state. I fear terrible things would happen to him. Poor innocent person.

Or it could have been done on purpose, and the next loolah is on the up.

Richard Hillman · 26-04-2020 12:06pm

If he is dead, the army may be undergoing a massive clean up operation in the Gulags to try and make sure that they don't end up in a human rights court.

It's one thing that kind of keeps North Korea together, The Skeletons. There ain't many without blood on their hands.

Then in terms of the civilians, they will want to know who the informers were that had family members sent off to camps. It's going to be a right tear up.

fryup · 26-04-2020 12:11pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

If he is dead, the army may be undergoing a massive clean up operation in the Gulags to try and make sure that they don't end up in a human rights court.

but they'll never end up in the human rights court, they're a law unto themselves...even the UN has no say in what goes on there

Richard Hillman · 26-04-2020 12:41pm

fryup wrote: »

but they'll never end up in the human rights court, they're a law unto themselves...even the UN has no say in what goes on there

But if North Korea falls in a way that doesn't include any amnesties, they will be. So a quick clean up job, have a good Friday style amnesty and the army leaders can live as free men.

overkill602 · 26-04-2020 1:00pm

who ever takes over china will have a say they are wary an influx of NKs could create many problems not to mention cv19.
South korea will be weary of a similar run for the border.
I would question if the late nut job was in control with his list of medical problems.
I hope it can open up but China wont ever tolerate a strong united korea

peckerhead · 26-04-2020 4:22pm

branie2 wrote: »

If he was dead, it would be confirmed on the news

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpYWEhti0VY

Get Real · 26-04-2020 4:30pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

But if North Korea falls in a way that doesn't include any amnesties, they will be. So a quick clean up job, have a good Friday style amnesty and the army leaders can live as free men.

A big IF though.

I could be wrong but I don't see Kim's death (if he is dead) as any sort of massive change. Nothing significant happened when his father died in 2011.

The sister will take over and it'll be business as usual. Hope I'm wrong. I just see it as business as usual, unless an internal coup happens against the sister.

Even then, there may be a few token changes under a new, non-family ruler/rulers. But a complete collapse of the status quo is a few regimes away yet.

Ipso · 26-04-2020 4:46pm

There must be some kind of military cabal who ultimately control things. I doubt one small family can keep an entire country in line. Unless this cabal is over thrown The it’s say hello to the new boss, same as the old boss.

fryup · 26-04-2020 6:29pm

alive & kicking according to south korea

26-04-2020 6:34pm

Degag wrote: »

Very strange post. Wipe out a whole country of innocent oppressed people just because they have a madman in charge?

Sorry, are you talking about the Donald?

Adam9213 · 26-04-2020 6:36pm

Ipso wrote: »

There must be some kind of military cabal who ultimately control things. I doubt one small family can keep an entire country in line. Unless this cabal is over thrown The it’s say hello to the new boss, same as the old boss.

You know the real reason North Korea is isolated like it is is because it's a rogue state, the west doesn't want it to exist or at least not with the leadership it has.

What happens with these states? Just like Libya or Iraq or Cuba they flood them with propaganda, try to have the people turn against their leader, all sorts of propaganda to overthrow the state from within, start a rebellion from within if they want it bad enough, that's why it's on lockdown not because he's some crazy lunatic like it's made out.

Ultrflat · 26-04-2020 6:39pm

Adam9213 wrote: »

You know the real reason North Korea is isolated like it is is because it's a rogue state, the west doesn't want it to exist or at least not with the leadership it has.

What happens with these states? Just like Libya or Iraq or Cuba they flood them with propaganda, try to have the people turn against their leader, all sorts of propaganda to overthrow the state from within, start a rebellion from within if they want it bad enough, that's why it's on lockdown not because he's some crazy lunatic like it's made out.

So you've meet him your self?

Capt'n Midnight · 26-04-2020 6:40pm

First he's dead

now he's Kim Jong Un-dead. Just a Juche zombie :eek:

Atlantic Dawn · 26-04-2020 9:59pm

He might just have the train in getting done up, the interior was very much pre-Covid.

bogwalrus · 26-04-2020 10:44pm

donvito99 wrote: »

No he was revived and renamed Kim Jung Deux

Pretty sure it was a witch doctor that revived him. So he really is Kim Jung Un-dead

Spanish Eyes · 26-04-2020 10:49pm

It is all a diversion from Covid, designed by the Chinese.

Who cares? We will never know the truth from NK anyway. Ever.

The last outpost of Communism. Even Cuba gave up.

CrankyHaus · 26-04-2020 11:24pm

Get Real wrote: »

A big IF though.

I could be wrong but I don't see Kim's death (if he is dead) as any sort of massive change. Nothing significant happened when his father died in 2011.

The sister will take over and it'll be business as usual. Hope I'm wrong. I just see it as business as usual, unless an internal coup happens against the sister.

Even then, there may be a few token changes under a new, non-family ruler/rulers. But a complete collapse of the status quo is a few regimes away yet.

I'd argue that with each succession the rule of the Kims has become weaker. Kim Il Sung enjoyed a stature that his successors did not, as evidenced by their desperate association of their cult of personality with his. Kim Jong Il's Songun "military-first" policies indicated that he had to make significant concessions to the Generals to stay in power in a way that his father did not. Since 1994 the country has severely declined, both in absolute terms and relative to its neighbours in SK and China, and the North Korean elite must be well aware of this regardless of what slogans they have to parrot.

A collapse of North Korea would have serious potential for disaster - loose nukes, rogue factions, millions of refugees, China and SK/US banging heads over the power vacuum.

A more gradual liberalisation through some form of slightly less insane authoritarian regime seems possible. There are plenty of examples of this in Asia (China since Mao, SK since Rhee and the generals, Burma more recently).

The Chinese aren't mad about the Kims either, for good reasons historic and current. Maintaining a buffer on their Yalu border is a red line issue for them, but if a more stable guarantor of that buffer than the Kims were to emerge they'd be happy out.

Corona20 · 26-04-2020 11:27pm

Yes sure he didnt look well for a while really did he?

Degag · 27-04-2020 12:27am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sorry, are you talking about the Donald?

No. Half of his country voted him into power.

So i have considerably less empathy for them!

shaveAbullock · 27-04-2020 12:40am

Degag wrote: »

Very strange post. Wipe out a whole country of innocent oppressed people just because they have a madman in charge?

Agreed what a disgusting thing for Chalk McHugh to say.
Wishing death on a country of poor farmers who have to give 70% of their crop to the tyrannical government and are only one or two crop failures away from starvation.

That said I don't think Kim family could hold on to power if they were insane. They are just evil enough to do whatever it takes to stay in power.

Shoelaces · 27-04-2020 2:18am

Hes isolating with a few tapes.

Roadhouse
Fern Gully
Uncle Buck

RobertKK · 27-04-2020 2:40am

People in North Korea do what they have to do to try and avoid the concentration camps and stay alive.

shaveAbullock · 27-04-2020 2:42am

RobertKK wrote: »

People in North Korea do what they have to do to try and avoid the concentration camps and stay alive.

Exactly, the idea that the people of North Korea are evil or insane is repugnant.
They are poor and repressed.

Hoop66 · 27-04-2020 9:15am

Is Neil Young ill?

HBC08 · 27-04-2020 9:46am

fryup wrote: »

needs a few sessions on the sunbed imo and a visit to the hairdresser

As someone mentioned above,paler skin is seen as more attractive in Korea.They even sell whitening skin cream,it's the opposite of fake tan.

blinding · 27-04-2020 10:37am

Deleted User wrote: »

The sister always looks like she'd be even more sinister.

Buy her Flowers. She’ll be Grand ! !

blinding · 27-04-2020 10:45am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

He's the last of the old schoolers, world would be a much dimmer place without him, ever the entertainer he even fired off a few missiles during the lockdown to keep folk entertained.

He is always good for a laugh and feeds his dogs with relatives ( not the dogs relatives ). So an Animal Lover.

blinding · 27-04-2020 10:50am

sjb25 wrote: »

.

She’s a bit Ear-y but otherwise Grand.

untitled no. 1 · 27-04-2020 2:08pm

Hoop66 wrote: »

Is Neil Young ill?

Gee!

27-04-2020 4:33pm

shaveAbullock wrote: »

Exactly, the idea that the people of North Korea are evil or insane is repugnant.
They are poor and repressed.

They also enable the regime to stay in power. The military is made up of common people. Soldiers/Police aren't a different species with superpowers to keep everyone oppressed.

However, agreed. the idea that the people of North Korea are evil or insane is repugnant. They're simply misguided/conditioned in what they allow to exist. Too many people dismiss the effects of social conditioning and insidious propaganda, since they've never been exposed to it, or seen it's effects first hand.

BeerWolf · 27-04-2020 5:07pm

undead?!

macnug · 27-04-2020 5:13pm

He's either dead or really sick because surely he would have headed a parade or oversaw a missile launch by now to prove he wasnt.

Montage of Feck · 27-04-2020 5:24pm

Hoop66 wrote: »

Is Neil Young ill?

No, he's rockin' in the free world!

blinding · 27-04-2020 5:26pm

Kim Jung’s dogs are looking forward to a Big Chow Down ! ! !

mikhail · 27-04-2020 8:00pm

HBC08 wrote: »

As someone mentioned above,paler skin is seen as more attractive in Korea.They even sell whitening skin cream,it's the opposite of fake tan.

Across a lot of Asia, actually. I've often been amused to see the young fellas in China walking with their girls, holding an umbrella to keep her from tanning. India and Japan have similar beauty standards, and I expect a lot of the rest of the region too.

shaveAbullock · 27-04-2020 8:04pm

mikhail wrote: »

Across a lot of Asia, actually. I've often been amused to see the young fellas in China walking with their girls, holding an umbrella to keep her from tanning. India and Japan have similar beauty standards, and I expect a lot of the rest of the region too.

Yes in many parts of China they are horrified if the see an Irish person(especially a woman) sunbathing because we ruining such attractive pale skin!

reg114 · 27-04-2020 8:14pm

Kim Jong Un is a paranoid hermit at the best of times, its a bit of a coincidence that he has vanished from public view slap bang in the middle of a pandemic. His private train has been photographed from space in his holiday resort in Wonsan which is a tad convenient. Throw in the fact the south koreans have stated with confidence that Kim is alive and well. You can be sure if anyone is tracking Kim's whereabouts it'll be the South koreans.

Kim is a coward and has gone to ground to save his skin. I wouldnt believe this story that he's on his deathbed, indeed Id say the whole notion he had a surgery at all was just a cover to excuse his absence from his birthday celebrations which went unmarked this year. Also remember North korea will be exceptionally vulnerable to any pandemic given most of their population is malnourished and the poor state of their healthcare system.

riclad · 27-04-2020 10:11pm

North Korea has basic medical services. It gets many items from China. Smartphones. Movies
Music on a USB Drive are smuggled in. Covid
19 must be there too. Either he is recovering from
Surgery or. He.s hiding away in fear of getting
the virus. if the virus spreads there who will help
Them. North Korea is the one remaining real communist state. China is a booming rich country which happens to be ruled by the communist party

Atlantic Dawn · 29-04-2020 11:27pm

Looks like he rose again...

Satellite images showing the recent movements of luxury boats suggest Kim Jong Un is in the coastal resort of Wonsan, according to experts who monitor his secretive regime.

Photographs of vessels used by the North Korean leader and his entourage have emerged amid speculation about his health and whereabouts.

https://news.sky.com/story/satellite-images-of-luxury-boats-suggest-kim-jong-un-is-in-north-korean-coastal-resort-11980769

Dr. Bre · 29-04-2020 11:28pm

He’s hiding from covid

da_miser · 01-05-2020 11:32pm

shaveAbullock wrote: »

Yes in many parts of China they are horrified if the see an Irish person(especially a woman) sunbathing because we ruining such attractive pale skin!

mikhail wrote: »

Across a lot of Asia, actually. I've often been amused to see the young fellas in China walking with their girls, holding an umbrella to keep her from tanning. India and Japan have similar beauty standards, and I expect a lot of the rest of the region too.

Know a super pale Irish girl, 15 year ago got the trans siberian express across russia to the ass end of China, when she got to China she was followed by people ,women cam up to her to stare , many wanted to touch her pale face , she was freaked out until she got to hotel and receptionist spoke english, told her that her pale white skin was the peak of female beauty, the locals where in awe.
In Ireland the girls are covered in fake tan, the grass is always greener!

01-05-2020 11:44pm

da_miser wrote: »

Know a super pale Irish girl, 15 year ago got the trans siberian express across russia to the ass end of China, when she got to China she was followed by people ,women cam up to her to stare , many wanted to touch her pale face , she was freaked out until she got to hotel and receptionist spoke english, told her that her pale white skin was the peak of female beauty, the locals where in awe.
In Ireland the girls are covered in fake tan, the grass is always greener!

"Peasants" work the fields, and so they have brown/tanned skin from being out in the sun. Having white skin carries the association of having better genes, and a greater potential for a better marriage. It's a common theme across China, Korea, and Japan. Less so, in other Asian countries like Vietnam or Cambodia (although a very minor element of it is there too).

rom · 01-05-2020 11:47pm

Deleted User wrote: »

"Peasants" work the fields, and so they have brown/tanned skin from being out in the sun. Having white skin carries the association of having better genes, and a greater potential for a better marriage. It's a common theme across China, Korea, and Japan. Less so, in other Asian countries like Vietnam or Cambodia (although a very minor element of it is there too).

TIL

shaveAbullock · 01-05-2020 11:50pm

da_miser wrote: »

In Ireland the girls are covered in fake tan, the grass is always greener!

Do Irish guys actually prefer umpa lumpas to pale skin?

01-05-2020 11:59pm

shaveAbullock wrote: »

Do Irish guys actually prefer umpa lumpas to pale skin?

I suspect it's more down to lack of choice... Take what you can get. Don't really know though.

rom · 01-05-2020 11:59pm

shaveAbullock wrote: »

Do Irish guys actually prefer umpa lumpas to pale skin?

Darker skin makes someone look thiner. A woman not carrying excessive weight an pale is more attractive than same girl caked in tan.

da_miser · 02-05-2020 12:56am

shaveAbullock wrote: »

Do Irish guys actually prefer umpa lumpas to pale skin?

No, fact is Ireland is a island ,the irish girls had no competition, EU opened borders, we got a influx of european girls, they for most part take better care of themselves than irish girls.
Irish dont tan we burn, irish girls see tan on euro women and think its what is attracting the irish men, so irish girls slap on the fake tan.
Unfortunately it looks cat and drives even more irish mien into arms of euro women

Ipso · 02-05-2020 1:06am

shaveAbullock wrote: »

Do Irish guys actually prefer umpa lumpas to pale skin?

No, but it seems like some girls try to out do other girls

threeball · 02-05-2020 1:31am

CrankyHaus wrote: »

I'd argue that with each succession the rule of the Kims has become weaker. Kim Il Sung enjoyed a stature that his successors did not, as evidenced by their desperate association of their cult of personality with his. Kim Jong Il's Songun "military-first" policies indicated that he had to make significant concessions to the Generals to stay in power in a way that his father did not. Since 1994 the country has severely declined, both in absolute terms and relative to its neighbours in SK and China, and the North Korean elite must be well aware of this regardless of what slogans they have to parrot.

A collapse of North Korea would have serious potential for disaster - loose nukes, rogue factions, millions of refugees, China and SK/US banging heads over the power vacuum.

A more gradual liberalisation through some form of slightly less insane authoritarian regime seems possible. There are plenty of examples of this in Asia (China since Mao, SK since Rhee and the generals, Burma more recently).

The Chinese aren't mad about the Kims either, for good reasons historic and current. Maintaining a buffer on their Yalu border is a red line issue for them, but if a more stable guarantor of that buffer than the Kims were to emerge they'd be happy out.

If NK collapses i reckon the chinese will be looking for some lebensraum.

robinbird · 02-05-2020 1:55am

threeball wrote: »

If NK collapses i reckon the chinese will be looking for some lebensraum.

I think the coronavirus gave them that already.

Recent oblique statements from Trump may indicate the he could very well be dead.

Is kim jong un dead ?

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