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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • #5552
    rovers_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭rovers_runner


    ek motor wrote: »
    I suspect they will lift at least one or two of these restrictions, opening hardware stores and lifting the 2km rule the most likely I think.

    And ye will be glad of it too ye fenian b*stards.....


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  • #5553
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    Looks like pure click bait

    The Indo is getting worse. It's main headline yesterday was "Banks limit home loans amid house price fears".

    The article clarified that they were rowing back on the exemptions bit which allows them to lend a little more in some cases.


  • #5554
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    Cw85 wrote: »
    Your life

    Everybody who ignores restrictions dies?


  • #5555
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    rovers_runner wrote: »
    And ye will be glad of it too ye fenian b*stards.....


    tjyStRf.jpg

    Sad.


  • #5556
    bush
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭bush


    easypazz wrote: »
    Everybody who ignores restrictions dies?

    Yep, go outside the 2km and you disintegrate.


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  • #5557
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    Xertz wrote: »
    That’s what I’m not getting. What’s changed since earlier in the year from a technical point of view?

    I appreciate that we have to come up with some kind of pragmatic solution to get more of the economy working again, but we also have to get our heads around that all we’ve done is create a firebreak.

    Unless there’s been significant build of immunity, which the WHO has been saying there’s as yet no evidence for, then what’s different?

    There’s still no vaccine and we are still not really able to treat it, other than with supportive care. ICU treatment certainly isn’t some kind of miracle cure or even capable of dealing with mass numbers of patients in any developed world healthcare system. It’s very much last resort stuff, with poor outcomes, that you don’t want to be using if you can avoid it.

    It seems to me there’ll just be loads more of it dispersed around hidden in the community and it will just flare up again.

    Can someone explain to me why it would be completely different this time around? I just can’t really see why it would be.

    I’m not saying we can keep this level of lockdown for a very extended period, but it does look to me we will be stuck with adapted lifestyles and very frustrating measures for a long time to come.

    Your last paragraph is on the money in my opinion. We will have to live with social distancing measures to some degree until such time as a vaccine or anti-virals are developed for Covid-19.

    Countries will likely lift restrictions very slowly. New cases will begin to rise again until they exceed an 'accepted' level. At which point restrictions are re-imposed. The cycle will continue until a vaccine/drugs are available.


  • #5558
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Gretas Gonna Get Ya!


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It is not a competition, its a public health emergency that impacted different countries and regions differently. Some places got shut down before community transmission reached critical levels and others didn't. Simple as that. New Zealand by virtue of its global position were later in getting hit by a wave of cases. They actually shut down later than a lot of Europe, and also had the advantage of seeing what worked, and did not work in Europe.

    There is also no amorphous impact on countries with major outbreaks. 2 million people in the Canaries with just over 2,000 cases and 131 deaths. Less than 15% the impact that there was to Spain as a whole. Some places just got lucky through either location or breakout

    What a big load of manure that is... especially that last bit highlighted.

    I bet you'd like to think it was all about luck, wouldn't you? Nobody to blame for any screw ups... fantasy stuff. :rolleyes:

    You're correct, it's not a competition... but it is about following best practices.

    Some countries are performing much better than others, and when you're talking about people losing their lives, the stakes really don't get any higher... we have a responsibility to learn from others who are doing things better and more efficiently than us.


  • #5559
    Cw85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭Cw85


    easypazz wrote: »
    Everybody who ignores restrictions dies?

    Not everybody, but it's a risk you avoid


  • #5560
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    Christy42 wrote: »
    So where do we think we are?

    EU has had rapidly dropping infection rates and are slowly removing restrictions. Maybe too soon, maybe not.

    However our own individual rates don't seem massively lower to me but it depends on when a lot of the testing was done. Plus we are very linked to the UK which has cometely messed this up and does not seem to have any improvement so any relaxation of our rules could lead to further infection from that direction.

    In further afield places NZ doesn't affect us much but they have done a good job. The US, similar to the UK has made a complete mess of it all. They currently have more total cases than the EU in spite of less testing and a lower population.

    For our own restrictions I am unsure except for the fact I should not be the one making the call.

    numbers are slowing in various countries because of lockdowns and social distancing. with no herd immunity (not enough infected) and no vaccine, every time we relax our only controls we risk going back to square one. that's the harsh reality until we get a vaccine or are able to treat the symptoms better and improve life expectancy.


  • #5561
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    froog wrote: »
    numbers are slowing in various countries because of lockdowns and social distancing. with no herd immunity (not enough infected) and no vaccine, every time we relax our only controls we risk going back to square one. that's the harsh reality until we get a vaccine or are able to treat the symptoms better and improve life expectancy.

    ...........or until the money runs out?


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  • #5562
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    ek motor wrote: »
    Its frustrating, understandably. I think this is only beginning, and it will not be 'over' until a vaccine or anti-viral drug is found to treat/prevent Covid-19 effectively. There is no going back to the way life 'was' without one or both of these. We will always have some degree of social distancing restrictions until that time.

    I have absolutely no issue with living with some sort of social distancing for the next year or so, although I dont think it'll come to it for that long.

    My issue is how we've been asked to sacrifice alot and the vast majority of the population have kept their side of it, when it appears that the powers that be haven't been able to get the basics right, nursing homes were basically left to fend for themselves and testing constantly seems to be we've reached x amount but 3 weeks ago we told you we'd reach 15k in 3 weeks, but it's going to be another 3 weeks.


  • #5563
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    bettyoleary wrote: »
    I don't see we have done very much different than the UK except perhaps not working on a vaccine which we will all be holding our arms out for if and when the UK develop it. Think of that.

    There are Irish born and educated scientists working to develop a vaccine in UK labs and labs all over the world. Think of that!


  • #5564
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    I have absolutely no issue with living with some sort of social distancing for the next year or so, although I dont think it'll come to it for that long.

    My issue is how we've been asked to sacrifice alot and the vast majority of the population have kept their side of it, when it appears that the powers that be haven't been able to get the basics right, nursing homes were basically left to fend for themselves and testing constantly seems to be we've reached x amount but 3 weeks ago we told you we'd reach 15k in 3 weeks, but it's going to be another 3 weeks.
    Nursing homes in most countries have been hit hard.

    The army in Spain found people dead in nursing homes as the carers had literally left the patients for dead and abandoned them.

    Its sad but it seems like it was hard to stop the nature of infection in the homes.


  • #5565
    Xertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭Xertz


    I think we are far, far too harsh on ourselves tbh. There always these “only in Ireland” comments and I don’t really see it in reality.

    The vast majority of Irish people are paying attention to the technical details and aren’t buying into conspiracy theories and you’re not seeing contrarian push backs against mesures to contain this, as you have in the US and several other places.

    You’ve even got a risk of violent protest in countries like France where there are conspiracy theories circulating claiming it’s linked to trying to suppress the weekly violent protests that had been rolling on for months. Worse applies in the US where you’ve actually had armed people showing up and all sorts of insane political issues in the mainstream.

    Irish politics across the whole spectrum has been pragmatic, facts based and generally very spectrum.

    You’ve a little fringe of conspiracy theorists on the far right who are not really part of the political system, given they got about 1% in one of the world’s most open proportional representation electoral systems, where independents and small groups can get seats quite easily.

    I think in reality you’ve seen the vast majority of the Irish population on board with getting this solved.

    We are a lot more boring and sensible than we seem to imagine we are. If anything, I think we have a tendency to be our own worst enemies when it comes to portraying ourselves as feckless and so on, to the point it’s baked into how we see ourselves, in part because of years of Irish jokes and frankly nasty hibernophobia. I always think our “shield” tends to be that we don’t react with anger and instead tend to absorb it or see it as “funny”.

    We’re the bullied kid in the school yard who deflects with humour and I think we can be our own worst enemy about undermining our own self image about being able to deal with things like this in a very pragmatic way when we have to.

    It’s perhaps better than the blind nationalistic arrogance and exceptionalism you see in parts of some countries politics (looking to the big island to the right of us and the chunk of a continent to a few thousand km to our west and a bit south ...)


  • #5566
    DevilsHaircut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DevilsHaircut


    https://twitter.com/NewsX/status/1254626911352995840


  • #5567
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    ...........or until the money runs out?

    yes the economy is important and we will have to get it running again before we have a handle on this virus. that is another harsh reality. we simply cannot be in the current state for a year or more unless we want to turn ireland into a third world country for the next decade.

    there is no easy way out of this mess.


  • #5568
    UrbanFret
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    Masks, Masks, Masks and Masks!!!!
    Until this happens we're chasing our tails.


  • #5569
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Nursing homes in lost countries have been hit hard.

    The army in Spain found people dead in nursing homes as the carers had literally left the patients for dead and abandoned them.

    Its sad but it seems like it was hard to stop the nature of infection in the homes.

    I agree it's not just here where nursing homes were badly hit and given the setting once a virus gets in it'll run rampant.

    But there were reports yesterday of hospitals discharging patients to nursing homes. Now if that's true and it might not be then it's a complete mess up by the HSE.


  • #5570
    Ash3070
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 ✭Ash3070


    I found this an interesting watch. No new information as such but it's always interesting to hear the actual views of the people on the ground. (not sure if this was already posted closer to when the video went up. Sorry if this is a re-post).



  • #5571
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    I have absolutely no issue with living with some sort of social distancing for the next year or so, although I dont think it'll come to it for that long.

    My issue is how we've been asked to sacrifice alot and the vast majority of the population have kept their side of it, when it appears that the powers that be haven't been able to get the basics right, nursing homes were basically left to fend for themselves and testing constantly seems to be we've reached x amount but 3 weeks ago we told you we'd reach 15k in 3 weeks, but it's going to be another 3 weeks.

    Yep. And I worry how frustrated we're all going to get if the only thing stopping us from easing restrictions is inadequate testing.

    Staying in for front-line workers is one thing. Staying in while we wait on a shipment of reagent is quite another.


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  • #5572
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    I agree it's not just here where nursing homes were badly hit and given the setting once a virus gets in it'll run rampant.

    But there were reports yesterday of hospitals discharging patients to nursing homes. Now if that's true and it might not be then it's a complete mess up by the HSE.

    It is true. The so called 'bedblockers' were moved to nursing homes to make space for the anticipated surge.


  • #5573
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    So yesterday we could take the kids out, I am lucky to live near the beach here so it was within our radius here to take a walk.
    the beach was fairly empty and we sat down and even had a swim, we were at closest 15/20m from the next family so all was OK.

    But I had suspected people would be tetchy cos I myself am tetchy and paranoid when I am on a normal trip to the shops about others getting close - even though everyone so far has been great, have to say there is a great sense of responsibility and community in day to day stuff like shopping etc.

    But I had always been fearful of when people are back on the beaches, and yesterday was prooved right, people were fighting further down the beach, one woman started losing her head when some kids got to "close" to her daughter - they were at most 5m from her , this I suppose can look relatively close on an otherwise emptyish beach.

    The other mother starting going nuts too, jumping up to defend them, I thought she was gonna go over at get in a fight, but of course people are terrified to get close - its strange seeing people fight over a distance of 20m jumping up and down and waving erratically.

    At this point I wished I had some cans to really enjoy it.

    Then the cops came and told us to leave, we aren't supposed to sit still anywhere, only to move around ... I dunno we were fairly isolated and the avenue by the beach was fairly busy ...
    I thought we were safer there ...
    here was the ave:
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    Also some things :
    I saw a guy driving yesterday using his mobile - but he was wearing a MASK!!!
    He was DEFINITELY wearing a mask!!
    So he is nice and SAFE!!!!!

    On the beach too, a woman with 2 kids, met her friend also with 2 kids and they sat and played together ... and then f*cking YAYA turns up and sits with them - but she was also wearing a mask !! so all OK there then!!!

    Penny-wise pound-foolish, this is what weeks and weeks of hysterical media coverage does.


  • #5574
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    gabeeg wrote: »
    Yep. And I worry how frustrated we're all going to get if the only thing stopping us from easing restrictions is inadequate testing.

    Staying in for front-line workers is one thing. Staying in while we wait on a shipment of reagent is quite another.

    Absolutely that's my point, hit it spot on.


  • #5575
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Could this not have been done online?
    I've no interest in it but isn't it just a short interview and a song or dance?

    It could just not be done.

    Ever again

    Add the eurovision to that too.


  • #5576
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    The vast vast majority of people are sticking with the restrictions

    They can't be held back by the few who do take the piss

    Where's the reward for actually sticking with the restrictions?

    There can't be any reward if the criteria for issuing a reward is not met, even if it is just because of 'the few who take the piss'.

    There is a direct negative effect associated with people not observing the restrictions - pissing off the majority who are observing, is not the worst effect, there are more deadly consequences to be considered.


  • #5577
    Xertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭Xertz


    To be fair, we are doing a lot of tests per capita compared to most countries.

    It’s inadequate the world over, with very few exceptions and I think we will get there here and in most of Europe relatively rapidly.

    Rolling out a vast testing system, when everyone is competing for the same resources, in a matter of 8 weeks is actually a remarkable achievement. The labs here and elsewhere need to be given as much support as possible both in terms of resources and morale too.

    In normal times you’re looking at something that probably would have taken a couple of years to achieve being compressed into barely 8 weeks.


  • #5578
    jay0109
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭jay0109


    Nurse just texted in to Sean O'Rourke show to say staff in her hospital were disgusted this weekend to see a substantial increase in the numbers presenting to A&E as a result of drink related injuries i.e. house parties


  • #5579
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    froog wrote: »
    numbers are slowing in various countries because of lockdowns and social distancing. with no herd immunity (not enough infected) and no vaccine, every time we relax our only controls we risk going back to square one. that's the harsh reality until we get a vaccine or are able to treat the symptoms better and improve life expectancy.

    Seems fair. Curious as I got an email from a kickstarter I backed saying they are delivering again May 1st. They are based in a less affected region in Italy though. However I believe many regions are suffering a greater economic strain than us. Which while inadvisable may lead to a quicker easing of restrictions when the economy hits breaking point. The mass of tech firms etc. is a big boon to us right now as it keeps many working from home.

    Similarly I know several Irish companies planning how they will go back to the office after the May Bank Holiday. The planning is around how they will achieve social distancing (generally some form of lots of working from home still I believe) . However and I absolutely stress that their plans are there in case the restrictions are lifted. They will not be back if it is extended.

    I was curious if they knew more or if it was simple insurance to have a plan ready to go.


  • #5580
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    I agree it's not just here where nursing homes were badly hit and given the setting once a virus gets in it'll run rampant.

    But there were reports yesterday of hospitals discharging patients to nursing homes. Now if that's true and it might not be then it's a complete mess up by the HSE.
    I think they said that 66% of such residential settings are not affected and it very doubtful they'd drop someone with an infection into one. While there will be time for a forthright review, what is being done now , belatedly or otherwise, is of much greater relevance to how the disease is controlled and how the unwinding of restrictions work.


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  • #5581
    jibber5000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 349 ✭✭jibber5000


    polesheep wrote: »
    It is true. The so called 'bedblockers' were moved to nursing homes to make space for the anticipated surge.

    They were moved out in mid March.

    If they were kept in the hospital they would likely have picked the virus up as an inpatient. It was a complete no win situation.


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