Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

eagle eye · 27-04-2020 10:09AM

Gael23 wrote:

Rose of Tralee cancelled

Could this not have been done online?
I've no interest in it but isn't it just a short interview and a song or dance?

s1ippy · 27-04-2020 10:11AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It is very important for people to get confirmation that a loved one has tested positive, however, the fact of a positive test should not materially impact treatment in any way as suspect cases should be treated as positive until confirmed otherwise.
If in the situation mentioned the nursing home passed information that the patient is improving is that not positive. Its not a cold or flu, but even still, the vast majority of patients of all ages will recover.

Ringing the guards or hiqa or whoever because of a delay in receiving tests results is an overreaction of the highest degree when these resources are under strain as it is.

The HSE live service is there to provide that information to people. With all due respect and in the most unparliamentary language f you because people have a right to seek medical information on behalf of their loved ones. Do you expect people to just wait for them to die without having any idea about their condition? You're deluded and incredibly cruel.

"Vast majority" you refer to who recover being four in every five, but it confers no immunity with fourteen percent being at risk of reinfection and the second time their body won't have the strength to withstand the impact of the infection.

If nursing homes weren't being so evasive with their information people wouldn't have to be repeatedly calling them in a panic about their loved ones and it's shocking that they have to call like that and that families are being lied to or misled.

Fixed broken link

27-04-2020 10:12AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Wow NZ seems to have completely eliminated Covid19 from their islands.

Incredible, it really is a good benchmark to judge a country by, anyone thinking of moving after all this I would look at the CV19 performance table.

I predict Spain will probably be the last (by a factor of years) to get this sorted.

It is not a competition, its a public health emergency that impacted different countries and regions differently. Some places got shut down before community transmission reached critical levels and others didn't. Simple as that. New Zealand by virtue of its global position were later in getting hit by a wave of cases. They actually shut down later than a lot of Europe, and also had the advantage of seeing what worked, and did not work in Europe.

There is also no amorphous impact on countries with major outbreaks. 2 million people in the Canaries with just over 2,000 cases and 131 deaths. Less than 15% the impact that there was to Spain as a whole. Some places just got lucky through either location or breakout

Jinglejangle69 · 27-04-2020 10:12AM

ek motor wrote: »

According to the Irish Independent this morning, it looks like very few, if any restrictions will be lifted after the weekend, as there is still a concerning number of new cases.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/lockdown-to-be-extended-amid-concern-at-high-number-of-new-cases-39158724.html

I said last week cases were increasing in the community after my friend was phoned and told to cocoon as cases are not decreasing.

And I was called a liar, Spoofer etc by many here.

is_that_so · 27-04-2020 10:14AM

ek motor wrote: »

According to the Irish Independent this morning, it looks like very few, if any restrictions will be lifted after the weekend, as there is still a concerning number of new cases.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/lockdown-to-be-extended-amid-concern-at-high-number-of-new-cases-39158724.html

Unless the CMO is saying this it's just speculation and the Indo have been wrong quite a few times during this. As it's "Premium" can't read it. Is it based off what McConkey said?

Stheno · 27-04-2020 10:15AM

ek motor wrote: »

According to the Irish Independent this morning, it looks like very few, if any restrictions will be lifted after the weekend, as there is still a concerning number of new cases.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/lockdown-to-be-extended-amid-concern-at-high-number-of-new-cases-39158724.html

I've been supportive of all the actions the govt have taken so far and cooperated with the restrictions

But to read that due to a lack of an ability to test the restrictions will be extended absolutely infuriates me.

What have I and the many many people who have abided by the restrictions achieved by complying to help reduce the infection rate, when the government have not managed to do their piece to ensure we meet the guidelines to lift even some of the restricitons?

Now I wasn't expecting much, maybe a lifting of the 2km rule and opening of garden centers/DIY stores, but if this is true, it's hard to stomach

My mother who is cocooning, is literally counting the days, don't know how she will react

I'm really really pissed off at that article if it's true.

is_that_so · 27-04-2020 10:16AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I said last week cases were increasing in the community after my friend was phoned and told to cocoon as cases are not decreasing.

And I was called a liar, Spoofer etc by many here.

Off one story I can see why. Anecdotes are not evidence.

KrustyUCC · 27-04-2020 10:16AM

ek motor wrote: »

According to the Irish Independent this morning, it looks like very few, if any restrictions will be lifted after the weekend, as there is still a concerning number of new cases.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/lockdown-to-be-extended-amid-concern-at-high-number-of-new-cases-39158724.html

Yeah and apparently after over 7 weeks of restrictions their master plan won't have timeliness just that restrictions will be rolled back "at the appropriate time" lol

Even Italy has a timetable for its citizens

"at the appropriate time" is not good enough

stephenjmcd · 27-04-2020 10:16AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Unless the CMO is saying this it's just speculation and the Indo have been wrong quite a few times during this. As it's "Premium" can't read it. Is it based off what McConkey said?

Its basically the HSE haven't got the ability to test the required numbers so they can't lift much. Also can't give timelines to businesses to reopen only that they will at "the appropriate time"
Faulty towers stuff.

ek motor · 27-04-2020 10:18AM

s1ippy wrote: »

The HSE live service is there to provide that information to people. With all due respect and in the most unparliamentary language f you because people have a right to seek medical information on behalf of their loved ones. Do you expect people to just wait for them to die without having any idea about their condition? You're deluded and incredibly cruel.

"Vast majority" you refer to who recover being four in every five, but it confers no immunity with fourteen percent being at risk of reinfection and the second time their body won't have the strength to withstand the impact of the infection.

If nursing homes weren't being so evasive with their information people wouldn't have to be repeatedly calling them in a panic about their loved ones and it's shocking that they have to call like that and that families are being lied to or misled.

Fully agree with your post. Thanks for the links, however the first one isn't working

bennyl10 · 27-04-2020 10:20AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yeah and apparently after over 7 weeks of restrictions their master plan won't have timeliness just that restrictions will be rolled back "at the appropriate time" lol

Even Italy has a timetable for its citizens

"at the appropriate time" is not good enough

a timetable is in italy, but that timetable comes with a huge caveat of @this may change on a daily basis'

I completely understand our government wanting to keep cards close to their chest, we had a hint that ' we are doing well' and people just said its time to end lockdown then and we had tons of people this past week just ignoring all the restrictions.

If we tell people a definitive timetable, People will just jump to the end and say its all fine.

is_that_so · 27-04-2020 10:20AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Its basically the HSE haven't got the ability to test the required numbers so they can't lift much. Also can't give timelines to businesses to reopen only that they will at "the appropriate time"
Faulty towers stuff.

It will take them till mid-May to get to 15,000. I wouldn't fully fault them as some of the stuff on timelines being agreed at the DoH they only get to hear in the media.

ninebeanrows · 27-04-2020 10:20AM

Stheno wrote: »

I've been supportive of all the actions the govt have taken so far and cooperated with the restrictions

But to read that due to a lack of an ability to test the restrictions will be extended absolutely infuriates me.

What have I and the many many people who have abided by the restrictions achieved by complying to help reduce the infection rate, when the government have not managed to do their piece to ensure we meet the guidelines to lift even some of the restricitons?

Now I wasn't expecting much, maybe a lifting of the 2km rule and opening of garden centers/DIY stores, but if this is true, it's hard to stomach

My mother who is cocooning, is literally counting the days, don't know how she will react

I'm really really pissed off at that article if it's true.

Looks like pure click bait

Cuddlesworth · 27-04-2020 10:21AM

bennyl10 wrote: »

a timetable is in italy, but that timetable comes with a huge caveat of @this may change on a daily basis'

I'm failing to see why Italy wouldn't just end right back up at the same point again after lifting restrictions.

rovers_runner · 27-04-2020 10:22AM

Stheno wrote: »

I've been supportive of all the actions the govt have taken so far and cooperated with the restrictions

But to read that due to a lack of an ability to test the restrictions will be extended absolutely infuriates me.

What have I and the many many people who have abided by the restrictions achieved by complying to help reduce the infection rate, when the government have not managed to do their piece to ensure we meet the guidelines to lift even some of the restricitons?

Now I wasn't expecting much, maybe a lifting of the 2km rule and opening of garden centers/DIY stores, but if this is true, it's hard to stomach

My mother who is cocooning, is literally counting the days, don't know how she will react

I'm really really pissed off at that article if it's true.

Don't worry it's only Monday.
The FF/FG Indo are kite flying today on behalf of their paymasters.
Once the general mood is picked up they will make their decision based on that midweek.

ek motor · 27-04-2020 10:22AM

Stheno wrote: »

Now I wasn't expecting much, maybe a lifting of the 2km rule and opening of garden centers/DIY stores, but if this is true, it's hard to stomach

I suspect they will lift at least one or two of these restrictions, opening hardware stores and lifting the 2km rule the most likely I think.

27-04-2020 10:23AM

A moving testimonial on Ryan Tubridy show from a lady recently recovered from Covid-19, with respect to the gung ho attitude of some about lifting restrictions: "it's only a matter of weeks, you have the rest of your lives to live".

stephenjmcd · 27-04-2020 10:23AM

bennyl10 wrote: »

a timetable is in italy, but that timetable comes with a huge caveat of @this may change on a daily basis'

I completely understand our government wanting to keep cards close to their chest, we had a hint that ' we are doing well' and people just said its time to end lockdown then and we had tons of people this past week just ignoring all the restrictions.

If we tell people a definitive timetable, People will just jump to the end and say its all fine.

Every other country can give a timeline, but not us or the UK. Whatever about Italy I think their timeline is a bit tight but at least give people something to aim towards. This whole thing of another 2 weeks and another 2 weeks is just getting on the nerves of most people now as its endless

is_that_so · 27-04-2020 10:25AM

rovers_runner wrote: »

Don't worry it's only Monday.
The FF/FG Indo are kite flying today on behalf of their paymasters.
Once the general mood is picked up they will make their decision based on that midweek.

It's more likely journalists leaning on "sources", who themselves have heard things. It's where the WhatApps Garda story comes from!

bennyl10 · 27-04-2020 10:26AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Every other country can give a timeline, but not us or the UK. Whatever about Italy I think their timeline is a bit tight but at least give people something to aim towards. This whole thing of another 2 weeks and another 2 weeks is just getting on the nerves of most people now as its endless

Because most other countries dont have hundreds of people who are given an inch and take a mile.

If we give a timetable, as we've seen this week when people are given a crumb. a lot of people will take the absolute piss

shinzon · 27-04-2020 10:27AM

Stheno wrote: »

I've been supportive of all the actions the govt have taken so far and cooperated with the restrictions

But to read that due to a lack of an ability to test the restrictions will be extended absolutely infuriates me.

What have I and the many many people who have abided by the restrictions achieved by complying to help reduce the infection rate, when the government have not managed to do their piece to ensure we meet the guidelines to lift even some of the restricitons?

Now I wasn't expecting much, maybe a lifting of the 2km rule and opening of garden centers/DIY stores, but if this is true, it's hard to stomach

My mother who is cocooning, is literally counting the days, don't know how she will react

I'm really really pissed off at that article if it's true.

I think the main point of the restrictions was to not overwhelm the hospitals and the ICU;s which we have done admirably. If unchecked they would have been and the whole system would have collapsed. It may seem a small victory but a victory nonetheless. Infection rates are still to high and with no capacity for mass testing yet it would be dangerous and foolish to even ease any of the restrictions put in place.

But im only a poster on boards with an opinion, well just have to wait and see what the CMO and Leo will say and with there track record the last 2 weeks god knows what they will say.

Shin

is_that_so · 27-04-2020 10:27AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Every other country can give a timeline, but not us or the UK. Whatever about Italy I think their timeline is a bit tight but at least give people something to aim towards. This whole thing of another 2 weeks and another 2 weeks is just getting on the nerves of most people now as its endless

Surely you've learnt not to rely on journalists during this, given their struggles with basic numbers and other information?! Wait for the official picture.

speckle · 27-04-2020 10:29AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

thanks that gave me a moment of brevity. remember most kids seem to do well with this virus and I would presume that the subset of severe cases are concentrated in small number of hospitals, its just important people know the symtoms to look out for id atypical to get them to hospital care fast to hopefully get them better again.

ek motor · 27-04-2020 10:29AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Every other country can give a timeline, but not us or the UK. Whatever about Italy I think their timeline is a bit tight but at least give people something to aim towards. This whole thing of another 2 weeks and another 2 weeks is just getting on the nerves of most people now as its endless

Its frustrating, understandably. I think this is only beginning, and it will not be 'over' until a vaccine or anti-viral drug is found to treat/prevent Covid-19 effectively. There is no going back to the way life 'was' without one or both of these. We will always have some degree of social distancing restrictions until that time.

KrustyUCC · 27-04-2020 10:29AM

bennyl10 wrote: »

Because most other countries dont have hundreds of people who are given an inch and take a mile.

If we give a timetable, as we've seen this week when people are given a crumb. a lot of people will take the absolute piss

The vast vast majority of people are sticking with the restrictions

They can't be held back by the few who do take the piss

Where's the reward for actually sticking with the restrictions?

Xertz · 27-04-2020 10:30AM

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

I'm failing to see why Italy wouldn't just end right back up at the same point again after lifting restrictions.

That’s what I’m not getting. What’s changed since earlier in the year from a technical point of view?

I appreciate that we have to come up with some kind of pragmatic solution to get more of the economy working again, but we also have to get our heads around that all we’ve done is create a firebreak.

Unless there’s been significant build of immunity, which the WHO has been saying there’s as yet no evidence for, then what’s different?

There’s still no vaccine and we are still not really able to treat it, other than with supportive care. ICU treatment certainly isn’t some kind of miracle cure or even capable of dealing with mass numbers of patients in any developed world healthcare system. It’s very much last resort stuff, with poor outcomes, that you don’t want to be using if you can avoid it.

It seems to me there’ll just be loads more of it dispersed around hidden in the community and it will just flare up again.

Can someone explain to me why it would be completely different this time around? I just can’t really see why it would be.

I’m not saying we can keep this level of lockdown for a very extended period, but it does look to me we will be stuck with adapted lifestyles and very frustrating measures for a long time to come.

yourdeadwright · 27-04-2020 10:32AM

bennyl10 wrote: »

Because most other countries dont have hundreds of people who are given an inch and take a mile.

If we give a timetable, as we've seen this week when people are given a crumb. a lot of people will take the absolute piss

Absolute nonsense,
Italy and Spain by nature are far less likely to listen to the governments advice and it has show in its out come,

Yes we are not as "thight of a culture " as many Asian countries or say the Germans but we are whole lot better than the likes of Spain , Italy , the US and even the UK

The very nature of news is to report the people who break the restrictions but there are many many million doing the right thing,

Gynoid · 27-04-2020 10:33AM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

In case anyone has not seen this a nice story on many levels.

Ah now. Ya have me full on crying and I'm supposed to be working.

Stheno · 27-04-2020 10:33AM

shinzon wrote: »

I think the main point of the restrictions was to not overwhelm the hospitals and the ICU;s which we have done admirably. If unchecked they would have been and the whole system would have collapsed. It may seem a small victory but a victory nonetheless. Infection rates are still to high and with no capacity for mass testing yet it would be dangerous and foolish to even ease any of the restrictions put in place.

But im only a poster on boards with an opinion, well just have to wait and see what the CMO and Leo will say and with there track record the last 2 weeks god knows what they will say.

Shin

Look my viewpoint here is that everyone has been asked to do their bit.

The majority of people have done their bit.

The govt/HSE had their bit to do and it now appears this article is their way of softening up the people for restrictions due to their not doing their bit.

And to make it worse, the NVRL are looking for the public to fund them to increase capacity according to the Irish Times. What the **** are the government doing???? Can't they fund this themselves???

https://www.ucdfoundation.ie/
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/delays-in-testing-raise-doubts-about-timing-of-lifting-irish-lockdown-1.4238531

One of the country’s largest universities, UCD, is asking the public to help the State’s main virus research lab ramp up testing capacity to be able to help efforts to lift lockdown measures.

The public is being asked to contribute to a €1 million fundraising campaign that would increase Covid-19 testing capacity at the State’s National Virus Reference Laboratory – a key coronavirus testing hub – by 3,000 tests a day, from 7,000 to 10,000.

UCD Foundation, the university’s charitable fundraising arm, said the crowdfunding campaign would fund the purchase of personal protective equipment and hand sanitiser to keep the lab running on constantly rotating work shift so as to create capacity to add a further 21,000 tests a week, a fifth of the HSE’s weekly target.

The campaign aims “to save time and fill in the gaps” to support increased testing during the relaxation of lockdown measures, said UCD Foundation’s head of annual giving Mark McDonnell.

“As everyone’s attention turns to easing restrictions safely, we want to help in as far as possible with whatever steps we can to avoid overburdening our hospitals with new cases,” he said.

Cw85 · 27-04-2020 10:33AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

The vast vast majority of people are sticking with the restrictions

They can't be held back by the few who do take the piss

Where's the reward for actually sticking with the restrictions?

Your life

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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