Relaxation of restrictions Part II

lord quackinton · 27-04-2020 08:25AM

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0427/1134970-covid19-coronavirus-restaurants/

The lockdown merchants don’t care that such job losses will happen it does not affect them
From day one on here I called this crisis for what it really was , a very bad decision
I suggested 10, 000 lives lost would be agreeable if the lockdown did not happen
In reality I would have found 20000 lives lost this year to it a better result then what has happened our economy

If restrictions ended tomorrow we would have more cases but not many more deaths

We should have protected nursing homes from day 1 and asked but not ordered those over 70 to isolate
Why we did not do that I have no idea
The government and Holohan have many questions to answer on that

wadacrack · 27-04-2020 08:34AM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

I can tell you exactly how the virus will react once business reopens . It will spread and people will contract it.

Are people really expecting to lockdown until the virus disappears and once we come out of the lockdown everything is cool again .

People need to get real here. This virus is going nowhere. Even with a vaccine it will be here . We can either live in paralysis like thos for years to come or get on living .

Then we are locking down for no reason. The logical thing to do is to open back up when the daily numbers are low. Test, trace, isolate similar to SK. Locking down is also buying us time to have the ability to test in higher numbers.

27-04-2020 08:37AM

lord quackinton wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0427/1134970-covid19-coronavirus-restaurants/

The lockdown merchants don’t care that such job losses will happen it does not affect them
From day one on here I called this crisis for what it really was , a very bad decision
I suggested 10, 000 lives lost would be agreeable if the lockdown did not happen
In reality I would have found 20000 lives lost this year to it a better result then what has happened our economy

If restrictions ended tomorrow we would have more cases but not many more deaths

We should have protected nursing homes from day 1 and asked but not ordered those over 70 to isolate
Why we did not do that I have no idea
The government and Holohan have many questions to answer on that

I dont think any econmy is worth losing 20K lives for,catch a hold of yourself

stephenjmcd · 27-04-2020 08:37AM

wadacrack wrote: »

Then we are locking down for no reason. The logical thing to do is to open back up when the daily numbers are low. Test, trace, isolate similar to SK. Locking down is also buying us time to have the ability to test in higher numbers.

Sorry but the whole lockdown to buy us time in terms of testing is now a joke. They've had what 7 weeks or more to be able to increase capacity to the levels required. I thought the initial response was quite good but it's just a joke especially seeing as there isn't any sort of timeline on this other than hopefully 3rd week of May

Metroid diorteM · 27-04-2020 08:38AM

Having been through the testing process I can say it does more harm than good.

They were bringing everyone into a f4ckin building instead of doing the drive thru "cos then everyone would want it" just because it was more convenient for the staff!

It takes too long (weeks) from start to finish and the results are almost always false negatives.

Because the testing process is a waste of time, contact tracing is pointless too.

Better to use these teams to deliver food and essentials and help organise physical distancing around the country.

stephenjmcd · 27-04-2020 08:40AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I dont think any econmy is worth losing 20K lives for,catch a hold of yourself

Nobody wants to lose 20k lives, I'd hope that's not what anyone is suggesting.

I dont want to see 120,000 jobs gone and an industry destroyed either. There's going to have to be some sort of reopening in the next month.

Pitch n Putt · 27-04-2020 08:40AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Today's independent saying they might only change slightly but not an awful lot, goes on to say that sources say cases are too high in the community, which goes against everything that the CMO is saying daily, also worries over the HSE ability to do 100,000 tests a week. I'm sorry but that's not a proper reason to keep us all under restrictions, they've had weeks to prepare for this, again like you say I thought the initial response was excellent but now it's like faulty towers.

Posted this in other forum regarding lockdown extension.

Delays in testing being the cause of a extended lockdown is a joke. They could delay it until whenever they like as there’s not a hope of reaching 100000 tests per week.

Joke after joke. We’ve been listening to Paul Reid and his ramp up of testing speech week after week after week.

It ain’t going to happen.

The government and the advisory committee will soon be in no doubt as to what most people think.

It’s turning into a farce and they will become to be seen as inept and out of their depth.

We’re just dawdling along in the hope it might just go away and we won’t have to actually make some decisions.

Crazy stuff really the more it’s going on.

CSWS101 · 27-04-2020 08:41AM

Metroid diorteM wrote: »

Having been through the testing process I can say it does more harm than good.

It takes too long (weeks) from start to finish and the results are almost always false negatives.

Any evidence for this or just wild speculation, I highly doubt the tests almost always produce false negatives.

Penfailed · 27-04-2020 08:43AM

lord quackinton wrote: »

We should have protected nursing homes from day 1 and asked but not ordered those over 70 to isolate
Why we did not do that I have no idea
The government and Holohan have many questions to answer on that

It's really, really easy to say things like this with the benefit of hindsight.

27-04-2020 08:45AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Nobody wants to lose 20k lives, I'd hope that's not what anyone is suggesting.

I dont want to see 120,000 jobs gone and an industry destroyed either. There's going to have to be some sort of reopening in the next month.

agreeable if the lockdown did not happen
In reality I would have found 20000 lives lost this year to it a better result then what has happened our economy

The industry will always make a return,if there is demand for it imo

Obviously they going to have to open,just think its better to let other countries open and we learn from their mistakes.....rushing out to open an econmy and hand-waving away 20K deaths is the epitome of all that is wrong with capitalism

stephenjmcd · 27-04-2020 08:45AM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Posted this in other forum regarding lockdown extension.

Delays in testing being the cause of a extended lockdown is a joke. They could delay it until whenever they like as there’s not a hope of reaching 100000 tests per week.

Joke after joke. We’ve been listening to Paul Reid and his ramp up of testing speech week after week after week.

It ain’t going to happen.

The government and the advisory committee will soon be in no doubt as to what most people think.

It’s turning into a farce and they will become to be seen as inept and out of their depth.

We’re just dawdling along in the hope it might just go away and we won’t have to actually make some decisions.

Crazy stuff really the more it’s going on.

We've heard for weeks tests being ramped up and look they've got them up to a good level and done some excellent work but they knew they'd need a certain level and just seem inept to getting it in place.

We're still building testing capacity wont wash with the vast majority of the population as being the key reason to keep us all away from families.

drunkmonkey · 27-04-2020 08:48AM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

If there is no significant easing of restrictions next week I can see some real backlash against the government and the CMO.

They had gained a lot of support for their initial response but the last week to 10 days they have looked like bungling idiots with their handling of the care homes and a lack of any clear exit strategy.
A big week ahead for all

There should be no backlash against the cmo it's not his doing, they are an advisor panel nothing more. We don't always take WHO advise either again there only advisors. All decisions are made by the Government, the buck stops with them.
The backlash should be aimed at Leo and Harris nobody else, it's their decision, the restrictions are their decision they have to own that decision.

ChikiChiki · 27-04-2020 08:50AM

lord quackinton wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0427/1134970-covid19-coronavirus-restaurants/

The lockdown merchants don’t care that such job losses will happen it does not affect them
From day one on here I called this crisis for what it really was , a very bad decision
I suggested 10, 000 lives lost would be agreeable if the lockdown did not happen
In reality I would have found 20000 lives lost this year to it a better result then what has happened our economy

If restrictions ended tomorrow we would have more cases but not many more deaths

We should have protected nursing homes from day 1 and asked but not ordered those over 70 to isolate
Why we did not do that I have no idea
The government and Holohan have many questions to answer on that

You really value the economy over mass deaths?

Pitch n Putt · 27-04-2020 08:55AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

There should be no backlash against the cmo it's not his doing, they are an advisor panel nothing more. We don't always take WHO advise either again there only advisors. All decisions are made by the Government, the buck stops with them.
The backlash should be aimed at Leo and Harris nobody else, it's their decision, the restrictions are their decision they have to own that decision.

Leo and Harris as you call them wouldn’t make a decision to save their lives.

They are solely doing as advised by the CMO who now currently is running the country with his advisory committee.

That’s quite a worry in itself.

Complete caution is the name of Tony’s game. It seems now even he doesn’t know what the magic number he’s looking for to allow some easing of restrictions.

easypazz · 27-04-2020 08:57AM

They are on about a bigger garda operation this weekend, more checkpoints and starting earlier.

Sick bastards.

VonLuck · 27-04-2020 08:59AM

easypazz wrote: »

They are on about a bigger garda operation this weekend, more checkpoints and starting earlier.

Sick bastards.

Yeah, how dare they enforce the restrictions...

Penfailed · 27-04-2020 09:00AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

You really value the economy over mass deaths?

He does. He has said as much repeatedly. He tries to defend it by saying that if the economy tanks (which is bound to happen worldwide anyway), there will be deaths as a knock on effect.

Penfailed · 27-04-2020 09:02AM

easypazz wrote: »

They are on about a bigger garda operation this weekend, more checkpoints and starting earlier.

Sick bastards.

Eh? Who's the, 'sick bastards'? The guards for doing what they are told, or the government for trying to save lives?

niallo27 · 27-04-2020 09:02AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I dont think any econmy is worth losing 20K lives for,catch a hold of yourself

A destroyed economy costs lifes and destroys even more though. There has to be a balance.

is_that_so · 27-04-2020 09:03AM

easypazz wrote: »

They are on about a bigger garda operation this weekend, more checkpoints and starting earlier.

Sick bastards.

BH weekend will have some people even more antsy and as it might be the end of this current regime of restrictions, there is a need to ensure people hang in till the end of that period. The weather might help there anyway!

drunkmonkey · 27-04-2020 09:04AM

Penfailed wrote: »

He does. He has said as much repeatedly. He tries to defend it by saying that if the economy tanks (which is bound to happen worldwide anyway), there will be deaths as a knock on effect.

We've suspended cancer screening, that already has to have had a knock on effect. Probably a whole host of other progressive diseases put on the back boiler as well.

stephenjmcd · 27-04-2020 09:05AM

I get the feeling that this exiting lockdown plan is going to be the most vague document the government has presented to us yet. Independent also reporting that there wont be any dates or timeline given to the phases in it other than "at the appropriate time"

rovers_runner · 27-04-2020 09:06AM

You'd have to assume most of the lockdown merchants on here are the teachers and civil servants who are on full pay and will be while this charade goes on.

The restrictions will only last on businesses and movement of people while the Govt can continue to pay the €350, once they reach the end of the road with affording that it will be every man for themselves.
Then the sh1t will hit the fan and hundreds of thousands will be left unemployed on €200 a week and told they are on their own now, landlords and vulture funds at the ready.

is_that_so · 27-04-2020 09:07AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We've suspended cancer screening, that already has to have had a knock on effect. Probably a whole host of other progressive diseases put on the back boiler as well.

Thought I heard Anne O'Connor say they wanted to get some of the more normal medical activity up and running again.

Chalk McHugh · 27-04-2020 09:07AM

First time i've woke up during this lockdown feeling optimistic and after reading about Italy's plans to reopen i can at last see some light at the end of the tunnel. Instead of dragging my body out of the scratcher i jumped out with a little spring in my step. Amazing that such small crumbs of comfort have boosted me so much.

Long_Wave · 27-04-2020 09:07AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

You really value the economy over mass deaths?

Its tragic that people like you are so dumbed down to special needs level

Discodog · 27-04-2020 09:07AM

is_that_so wrote: »

BH weekend will have some people even more antsy and as it might be the end of this current regime of restrictions, there is a need to ensure people hang in till the end of that period. The weather might help there anyway!

I wonder if it's a good idea to have loads of checkpoints, right up to the end & then none. Better to phase them out.

1Q2WHYUUU · 27-04-2020 09:07AM

There are five tests that need to be passed before the government can change restrictions

is_that_so · 27-04-2020 09:09AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I get the feeling that this exiting lockdown plan is going to be the most vague document the government has presented to us yet. Independent also reporting that there wont be any dates or timeline given to the phases in it other than "at the appropriate time"

That's pure CMO-speak! There may be some like that I think but that speaks to 2 week reviews. Other stuff like schools and some businesses will have to have actual dates.

27-04-2020 09:10AM

niallo27 wrote: »

A destroyed economy costs lifes and destroys even more though. There has to be a balance.

He is argueing,that sectors will close down if not reopened??

If these sectors are viable,new businesses will replace them,if there demand exist??

Like realistically china waited until they were several days without new cases to reopen,we should get as close to that as we can.....

700 new cases yesterday,is forever too high,afaik.that is one of our highest daily increases,deosnt seem to be slowing atal??

Relaxation of restrictions Part II

Comments