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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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  • #2552
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    road_high wrote: »
    Which they won’t have anyhow with the inevitable cuts coming if we keep this up. Donohoe said as much during the week but it was brushed over, of course.
    Maybe these week one of our “journalists” might start to wake up, stop rehashing government statements and do a bit of analysis of the economic fallout. You know, what journalists used to do

    He said the 350 gets tapered post may 5th, when that starts to hit home, there'll be issues.


  • #2553
    splendid101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 655 ✭✭✭splendid101


    Hearty80 wrote: »
    Do you ever think for even one second, you might be swallowing every single thing your being drip fed by the government.

    I don't really agree with the premise of this loaded question so I won't bother to answer you.

    I do think tightly restricting people's movement is the best way to control the spread of this virus. I think that's obvious.

    If this was a discussion about how hard the restrictions are, how people miss their friends and family or how their kids are driving them bananas, I think it would be fine. But some of the posts I've seen on this thread are misinformed, paranoid, idiotic, and ridiculous.

    People think because there are still cases that it means the lockdown isn't working. I saw someone suggesting march against the restrictions. People thinking that you must be an anti social loser if you show any support for the restrictions. All the cool alphas, who like pints and sport and spending time doing manly activities with their friends are anti lockdown, and all the losers in their basements who love social media and have government jobs are pro lockdown. It's all madness. Just really uninformed people. Thankfully it's a minority of fringe lunatics.

    I'm not familiar with your stance on everything or any whackjob theories you might have put forward to I won't bother asking a similarly patronising rethorical question.


  • #2554
    Jurgen Klopp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭Jurgen Klopp


    This u turn makes me feel so much better that we are in such reliable hands

    https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1254160937805926405


  • #2555
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    alwald wrote: »
    Why should't they? they surely know better than the CMO/experts in this field and they believe that vitamin D is a cure :D.

    In fairness this is the CMO who told everyone that sneezed to get a test, what a success thay was. And his plan is to wait and see what happens in other jurisdictions before committing to anything. Also being backed by a taosieach who openly admits they will have got some things very wrong. To not question any of that is worrying.

    Vitamin D is essential to a healthy immune system. I'm not sure what you're trying to suggest there.


  • #2556
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    He said the 350 gets tapered post may 5th, when that starts to hit home, there'll be issues.

    Huge ones. I don’t think that’s been fully comprehended yet. But it’s their funeral, too many going along with it- fools gold that can’t last.
    And those mortgages and loans can’t stay stalled forever. Next stop letters from the bank. The delusion going on is mind blowing


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  • #2557
    Hearty80
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 122 ✭✭Hearty80


    splendid101 wrote: »
    I don't really agree with the premise of this loaded question so I won't bother to answer you.

    I do think tightly restricting people's movement is the best way to control the spread of this virus. I think that's obvious.

    If this was a discussion about how hard the restrictions are, how people miss their friends and family or how their kids are driving them bananas, I think it would be fine. But some of the posts I've seen on this thread are misinformed, paranoid, idiotic, and ridiculous.

    People think because there are still cases that it means the lockdown isn't working. I saw someone suggesting march against the restrictions. People thinking that you must be an anti social loser if you show any support for the restrictions. All the cool alphas, who like pints and sport and spending time doing manly activities with their friends are anti lockdown, and all the losers in their basements who love social media and have government jobs are pro lockdown. It's all madness. Just really uninformed people. Thankfully it's a minority of fringe lunatics.

    I'm not familiar with your stance on everything or any whackjob theories you might have put forward to I won't bother asking a similarly patronising rethorical question.

    I don't have any "whackjob" theories, yes the lockdown has worked to keep the hospital admissions under control. So why don't we have a plan to leave lockdown. The economy is suffering, people are suffering. I and my family have 100% obeyed all restrictions as I have already said. I understand why it was done I just want now to be informed of the procedures to leave lockdown. Is that really to much to ask?


  • #2558
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    He said the 350 gets tapered post may 5th, when that starts to hit home, there'll be issues.

    Not evenly thinly veiled language. Surprised there’s been so little pick up on it. When a finance minister says things like that its time to sit up to and take notice


  • #2559
    Zetor19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭Zetor19


    The 350 a week was way too much in the first place. The rain coming back and The money back down to 200 would soften a lot of people .


  • #2560
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Zetor19 wrote: »
    The 350 a week was way too much in the first place. The rain coming back and The money back down to 200 would soften a lot of people .

    I suppose they had to support people at the time of total shock. Sadly a lot of people on it are irrationally reticent to go back to work- you can’t have it every way I’m afraid. It was only ever a short term measure, completely unaffordable for months unless they want to cut all the other welfare payments.
    People haven’t a bloody clue what’s coming if this keeps up. A collapse in state revenues means you can’t even service debt which means difficulty borrowing and we are into a 2009/10 spiral.


  • #2561
    snowstorm445
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 936 ✭✭✭snowstorm445


    VonLuck wrote: »
    To everyone saying that there is no plan from government and that they are sick of being threatened with extensions, you do know there is a logic behind it, right?

    The moment they say "we are doing very well, the measures have worked" you'll have a raft of people thinking lockdown is over and they can go back to normal, fleeing off to your nearest beach, house parties etc.

    Also if they announce their plan too early you'll end up with the same problem. Once people see the first stage of the plan, they'll go straight to it thinking "sure what's a week, may as well do it now".

    Not saying everyone will do it, but many of the weary and inconsiderate may.

    Just hold your horses and wait until next weekend before jumping to outrage.

    Except that every country in the EU with ongoing restrictions bar Ireland and the Netherlands have been making those sorts of statements and have given people a broad calendar of gradually easing restrictions and a return to some sort of normality (obviously depending on how infection numbers fare during each step). This seems to suggest that they have some sort of trust in their population not to eff it up and go mad prior to the lockdown being lifted.

    The lack of such an outline in Ireland seems to imply that there is something unique about the Irish government's view of Irish people in that they can't be trusted to do what they're told. In other countries governments seem to have some notion that lockdowns are collective actions which are strengthened and weakened depending on the shared burden on citizens (in other words, "we're in this together"), whereas the distinct impression I'm getting in Ireland lately is a sort of Victorian paternalism with government lecturing the public and threatening them rather than actually trusting them with a groundplan and providing some sort of clarity.


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  • #2562
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    alwald wrote: »
    Here is a study on social distancing https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/03/how-cities-flattened-curve-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus/

    I mean, that's interesting, but I'm not certain any if the relaxation requesters on here are demanding that mass gatherings happen from May 5th. Also, that article does t suggest that non infected people were asked to stay home during the pandemic in the cities they mention.

    The evidence from that is fairly clear, probably no festivals, gatehrings, stadiums, concerts till September, we'll be grand. Open stores, businesses, restaurants slowly week to week, construction, keep 2m, avoid public transport if possible, work from home if possible, as much exercise and vit d as possible to prepare us for winter.


  • #2563
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,027 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    as much exercise and vit d as possible to prepare us for winter.

    Don't forget the smokes, need to get those Covid receptors clogged up..
    https://www.euronews.com/2020/04/25/coronavirus-france-drastically-limits-sale-of-nicotine-products

    A study by the Pitié-Salpêtrière hospital in Paris flagged "that current smoking status appears to be a protective factor against the infection by SARS-CoV-2".


  • #2564
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Don't forget the smokes, need to get those Covid receptors clogged up..
    https://www.euronews.com/2020/04/25/coronavirus-france-drastically-limits-sale-of-nicotine-products

    A study by the Pitié-Salpêtrière hospital in Paris flagged "that current smoking status appears to be a protective factor against the infection by SARS-CoV-2".

    Well, that's grand for now, but you're kicking your public health problem down the road a few years


  • #2565
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    splendid101 wrote: »
    I don't really agree with the premise of this loaded question so I won't bother to answer you.

    I do think tightly restricting people's movement is the best way to control the spread of this virus. I think that's obvious.

    If this was a discussion about how hard the restrictions are, how people miss their friends and family or how their kids are driving them bananas, I think it would be fine. But some of the posts I've seen on this thread are misinformed, paranoid, idiotic, and ridiculous.

    People think because there are still cases that it means the lockdown isn't working. I saw someone suggesting march against the restrictions. People thinking that you must be an anti social loser if you show any support for the restrictions. All the cool alphas, who like pints and sport and spending time doing manly activities with their friends are anti lockdown, and all the losers in their basements who love social media and have government jobs are pro lockdown. It's all madness. Just really uninformed people. Thankfully it's a minority of fringe lunatics.

    I'm not familiar with your stance on everything or any whackjob theories you might have put forward to I won't bother asking a similarly patronising rethorical question.
    Thanks for that patronising drivel. I needed that. This rhetoric is repeated on social media by folk with the intellectual firepower and social skills of a fried onion


  • #2566
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    road_high wrote: »
    Huge ones. I don’t think that’s been fully comprehended yet. But it’s their funeral, too many going along with it- fools gold that can’t last.
    And those mortgages and loans can’t stay stalled forever. Next stop letters from the bank. The delusion going on is mind blowing

    Just let them sit content in their gardens collecting their 350 quid. In the long run it'll be the most costly 350 quid anyone's ever gotten in their lives.


  • #2567
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Thanks for that patronising drivel. I needed that. This rhetoric is repeated on social media by folk with the intellectual firepower and social skills of a fried onion

    Bit harsh on fried onions, etc.


  • #2568
    Dr. Bre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,839 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    350 quid a week wil be gone by June so I reckon some normality will have to resume soon


  • #2569
    Zetor19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭Zetor19


    Italy opening up pubs June 1st. Nice one. Tony will struggle to bluff us now.


  • #2570
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    350 quid a week wil be gone by June so I reckon some normality will have to resume soon

    Some of the crew on here will have to leave the bunkers to get some Jack Daniels to cope with that tragedy.


  • #2571
    Pretzill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,756 ✭✭✭Pretzill


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Don't forget the smokes, need to get those Covid receptors clogged up..
    https://www.euronews.com/2020/04/25/coronavirus-france-drastically-limits-sale-of-nicotine-products

    A study by the Pitié-Salpêtrière hospital in Paris flagged "that current smoking status appears to be a protective factor against the infection by SARS-CoV-2".

    Interesting how smoking, for some people, ends up being a protective feature. I'm an ex smoker and suffered a lung disorder quite young - but went into remission and some of the studies showed that smokers had better outcomes - Interestingly too this was a systematic disease which meant it affected multi organs, not just the lungs.


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  • #2572
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    Zetor19 wrote: »
    Italy opening up pubs June 1st. Nice one. Tony will struggle to bluff us now.

    He will have to open a helpline to give counselling to all the lockdown merchants.


  • #2573
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,027 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Zetor19 wrote: »
    Italy opening up pubs June 1st. Nice one. Tony will struggle to bluff us now.

    Construction, manufacturing, and wholesale businesses open on May 4
    Retailers open on May 11
    Bars and restaurants open on May 18
    Schools will remain closed until September

    That's Italy's plan.


  • #2574
    Zetor19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭Zetor19


    What pathetic excuse will our 3 Amigos come up with now for lockdown to continue?


  • #2575
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,393 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Zetor19 wrote: »
    Italy opening up pubs June 1st. Nice one. Tony will struggle to bluff us now.

    Yeah that Tony. Completely fúcked us over. Bastard.


  • #2576
    poppers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭poppers


    https://twitter.com/MKWilliamsRome/status/1254486320401047552


  • #2577
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    350 quid a week wil be gone by June so I reckon some normality will have to resume soon

    It’ll have to. You can’t pay a €1500 per month mortgage, €500 car pcp payment, run a household with 3 kids etc etc on €200 per week. Typical of lots of households I know.
    It just doesn’t compute


  • #2578
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Construction, manufacturing, and wholesale businesses open on May 4
    Retailers open on May 11
    Bars and restaurants open on May 18
    Schools will remain closed until September

    That's Italy's plan.

    BBC given a breakdown
    The measures include:

    People will be allowed to move around their own regions - but not between different regions

    Funerals are set to resume, but with a maximum of 15 people attending, and ideally to be carried out outdoors

    Individual athletes can resume training, and people can do sports not only in the vicinity of their homes but in wider areas

    Bars and restaurants will reopen for takeaway service from 4 May (not just delivery as now), but food must be consumed at home or in an office

    Hairdressers, beauty salons, bars and restaurants are expected to reopen for dine-in service from 1 June

    More retail shops not already opened under the earliest easing measures will reopen on 18 May - along with museums and libraries

    Sports teams will also be able to hold group training from 18 May


  • #2579
    Zetor19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭Zetor19


    Well actually with the nursing homes he did **** us over , certainly the poor people in them anyway,


  • #2580
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Yeah that Tony. Completely fúcked us over. Bastard.

    Well arguably for the poor unfortunates in nursing homes, yes.
    He’s not someone who inspires much confidence in me. Im sure lots of others feel the same


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  • #2581
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Yeah that Tony. Completely fúcked us over. Bastard.

    Well arguably for the poor unfortunates in nursing homes, yes.
    He’s not someone who inspires much confidence in me. Im sure lots of others feel the same


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