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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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  • #2522
    VonLuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    To everyone saying that there is no plan from government and that they are sick of being threatened with extensions, you do know there is a logic behind it, right?

    The moment they say "we are doing very well, the measures have worked" you'll have a raft of people thinking lockdown is over and they can go back to normal, fleeing off to your nearest beach, house parties etc.

    Also if they announce their plan too early you'll end up with the same problem. Once people see the first stage of the plan, they'll go straight to it thinking "sure what's a week, may as well do it now".

    Not saying everyone will do it, but many of the weary and inconsiderate may.

    Just hold your horses and wait until next weekend before jumping to outrage.


  • #2523
    Hearty80
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 122 ✭✭Hearty80


    splendid101 wrote: »
    I'm actual surprised at the amount of mental cases on this thread. Nothing like a trip to boards to reduce your faith in humanity.

    Do you ever think for even one second, you might be swallowing every single thing your being drip fed by the government.


  • #2524
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Apologies, I wasn't trying to belittle anyone.

    Can you get deliveries?

    I was joking there do not take any offence as none was meant. I am mobile enough and can get out in the car so would rather leave those slots to those who need them

    If only it was downhill


  • #2525
    alwald
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭alwald


    growleaves wrote: »
    If you had read the whole thread you would see I posted links to videos and articles of epidemiologists who gave opinions that differ from the 'official' line.

    Also feel free to post scientific evidence related to social distancing, lockdowns etc. Abstracts will be fine if the studies are stuck behind a paywall.

    That video was posted on the Swedish topic about a week ago and, quite frankly, it doesn't contain any scientific evidence.

    About social distancing, there are studies linked to the Spanish flu that are quite interesting to read.


  • #2526
    Hearty80
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 122 ✭✭Hearty80


    VonLuck wrote: »
    To everyone saying that there is no plan from government and that they are sick of being threatened with extensions, you do know there is a logic behind it, right?

    The moment they say "we are doing very well, the measures have worked" you'll have a raft of people thinking lockdown is over and they can go back to normal, fleeing off to your nearest beach, house parties etc.

    Also if they announce their plan too early you'll end up with the same problem. Once people see the first stage of the plan, they'll go straight to it thinking "sure what's a week, may as well do it now".

    Not saying everyone will do it, but many of the weary and inconsiderate may.

    Just hold your horses and wait until next weekend before jumping to outrage.
    But we are the ones who are sticking to it 100%, my neighbor's a few doors down have partied every weekend since this started. So it makes zero difference to them. It's the ones keeping the quarantine going that are getting frustrated.


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  • #2527
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Hearty80 wrote: »
    Do you ever think for even one second, you might be swallowing every single thing your being drip fed by the government.


    The issue is worldwide, other countries are dealing with it pretty much in the same way. You can also see what happened to some countries that were taken by surprise and had to deal with a high number of infected people in a short time.


  • #2528
    [Deleted User]
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    martingriff wrote: »
    From what I took of it and I was talking with my brother who the company he works for does business in the UK, it is anyone coming in to Britain

    You mean coming into Ireland from Britain? I’m okay with that I guess (though would have to apply to the land border too). But the same going back would make it impossible to see family. Given that Ireland is classed as domestic travel and misses passport control in the UK then am hoping that would bypass mandatory quarantine


  • #2529
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    VonLuck wrote: »
    To everyone saying that there is no plan from government and that they are sick of being threatened with extensions, you do know there is a logic behind it, right?

    The moment they say "we are doing very well, the measures have worked" you'll have a raft of people thinking lockdown is over and they can go back to normal, fleeing off to your nearest beach, house parties etc.

    Also if they announce their plan too early you'll end up with the same problem. Once people see the first stage of the plan, they'll go straight to it thinking "sure what's a week, may as well do it now".

    Not saying everyone will do it, but many of the weary and inconsiderate may.

    Just hold your horses and wait until next weekend before jumping to outrage.


    Completely agree
    We were doing fine until before Easter, then we got too confident and f**ked up


  • #2530
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    Zetor19 wrote: »
    We won’t even be talking about this after another few weeks . Well maybe in the pub after a few pints buts that’s all .

    You are in for an almighty shock


  • #2531
    VonLuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    Hearty80 wrote: »
    But we are the ones who are sticking to it 100%, my neighbor's a few doors down have partied every weekend since this started. So it makes zero difference to them. It's the ones keeping the quarantine going that are getting frustrated.

    That's my point. Once the weary hear that measures are going to be relaxed in the coming days they may just say "sod it, lets head off on Saturday for the weekend to visit the family" or whatever. Then you get a tranche of people dispersed around the country in one fell swoop.


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  • #2532
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    VonLuck wrote: »
    To everyone saying that there is no plan from government and that they are sick of being threatened with extensions, you do know there is a logic behind it, right?

    The moment they say "we are doing very well, the measures have worked" you'll have a raft of people thinking lockdown is over and they can go back to normal, fleeing off to your nearest beach, house parties etc.

    Also if they announce their plan too early you'll end up with the same problem. Once people see the first stage of the plan, they'll go straight to it thinking "sure what's a week, may as well do it now".

    Not saying everyone will do it, but many of the weary and inconsiderate may.

    Just hold your horses and wait until next weekend before jumping to outrage.

    I agree but the right time is key. This weekend could have been the right time to give the speech of what they are planning for the 5th and asking people to stay the course. Might have refocused a lot of minds not everyone


  • #2533
    growleaves
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    That video was posted on the Swedish topic about a week ago and, quite frankly, it doesn't contain any scientific evidence.

    It's the opinion of a well-respected epidemologist. I don't expect you to watch the full 40 minutes but at one point he says there is definite science behind hand-washing known for the last 130 years but that social distancing, lockdowns etc. are theoretical.

    I haven't seen any studies about social distancing, I'm not claiming they don't exist I just haven't seen them.

    There's nothing on lockdowns/mass quarantining of the healthy because it is unprecedented.


  • #2534
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Hearty80 wrote: »
    Do you ever think for even one second, you might be swallowing every single thing your being drip fed by the government.

    Do you ever think for even one second, you might be swallowing every single thing your being drip fed by who you follow


  • #2535
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Hearty80 wrote: »
    But we are the ones who are sticking to it 100%, my neighbor's a few doors down have partied every weekend since this started. So it makes zero difference to them. It's the ones keeping the quarantine going that are getting frustrated.


    I agree with this, too many people not giving a damn and we all pay for them
    Some in here too...


  • #2536
    FintanMcluskey
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    splendid101 wrote: »
    I'm actual surprised at the amount of mental cases on this thread. Nothing like a trip to boards to reduce your faith in humanity.

    Who's the mental cases? The people who believe the official governmental policy of "wait and see" is the best option for the future security of our society? Or the people who think that policy is a crock of s##t and needs to be reviewed asap.


  • #2537
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,228 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    splendid101 wrote: »
    I'm actual surprised at the amount of mental cases on this thread. Nothing like a trip to boards to reduce your faith in humanity.

    You should have seen it earlier. Most of the nuttiest posts have been nuked


  • #2538
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    The chan chan man wrote: »
    What do people think is happening next weekend?? The virus just decides to go away on the 5th?!

    Ya. At around 5pm on the 5th.


  • #2539
    alwald
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭alwald


    growleaves wrote: »
    It's the opinion of a well-respected epidemologist. I don't expect you to watch the full 40 minutes but at one point he says there is definite science behind hand-washing known for the last 130 years but that social distancing, lockdowns etc. are theoretical.

    I haven't seen any studies about social distancing, I'm not claiming they don't exist I just haven't seen them.

    There's nothing on lockdowns/mass quarantining of the healthy because it is unprecedented.

    Here is a study on social distancing https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/03/how-cities-flattened-curve-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus/


  • #2540
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You mean coming into Ireland from Britain? I’m okay with that I guess (though would have to apply to the land border too). But the same going back would make it impossible to see family. Given that Ireland is classed as domestic travel and misses passport control in the UK then am hoping that would bypass mandatory quarantine

    Sorry no I mean the other way around. Not sure of coming from Britain to Ireland.

    In relation from N.I to the republic it be very hard to do this and I don't see checkpoints across the border coming unless its a joint operation. I feel we might have a close co operation between the 2 sides of Ireland on restrictions etc


  • #2541
    Spanish Eyes
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    I think the cautious and observant will still be the same, add me to the list.

    The rule breakers and rebels were always there, but in fairness they are not the majority but they will not help matters either.

    My feeling is that unless arrivals here either by ferry or air are not quarantined, the message is not good for most of us, add in the revelation that NI people can do what they like as the laws on CV do not apply to them, and the Travellers, well they are above the law in many respects anyway.

    Hard to feel you are helping when this mentality is going on.


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  • #2542
    Hearty80
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    martingriff wrote: »
    Do you ever think for even one second, you might be swallowing every single thing your being drip fed by who you follow

    Actually I dont follow anyone who is pro stopping restrictions. I have done alot of reading myself, and from what I read it is inevitable that Covid 19 will continue to spread around Ireland. I was wrongly under the impression that lockdown was stopping the virus. I was incorrect and wrong.


  • #2543
    alwald
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭alwald


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    My feeling is that unless arrivals here either by ferry or air are not quarantined, the message is not good for most of us, add in the revelation that NI people can do what they like as the laws on CV do not apply to them, and the Travellers, well they are above the law in many respects anyway.

    Very big issues that must be addressed otherwise all the current efforts are pointless.


  • #2544
    [Deleted User]
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    alwald wrote: »
    Very big issues that must be addressed otherwise all the current efforts are pointless.

    It’s like the Brexit backstop all over again! Can’t have a CV land border, for obvious reasons, so how about ROI / NI alignment and a CV border down the Irish Sea!


  • #2545
    Spanish Eyes
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    alwald wrote: »
    Very big issues that must be addressed otherwise all the current efforts are pointless.

    Needs to be addressed for sure.

    We cannot expect everyone here to observe the rules if others are allowed to flout them. I am thinking air, ferry, NI and Travellers. And I don't care anymore about Travellers, shoot me now, they are obnoxious in their blatant behaviour.


  • #2546
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Hearty80 wrote: »
    Actually I dont follow anyone who is pro stopping restrictions. I have done alot of reading myself, and from what I read it is inevitable that Covid 19 will continue to spread around Ireland. I was wrongly under the impression that lockdown was stopping the virus. I was incorrect and wrong.

    The reason for the restrictions was to not overwhelm the health services and get a handle on testing. This virus will not go away until a vaccine is made available

    I do believe there are people who are thinking like you in both camps. Those who want them to continue until we eradicate it and those who wonder what has all there effort been for. Restriction of some severity will be with us for a long time to come


  • #2547
    Hearty80
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 122 ✭✭Hearty80


    martingriff wrote: »
    The reason for the restrictions was to not overwhelm the health services and get a handle on testing. This virus will not go away until a vaccine is made available

    I do believe there are people who are thinking like you in both camps. Those who want them to continue until we eradicate it and those who wonder what has all there effort been for. Restriction of some severity will be with us for a long time to come
    I actually think it will be gone long before a vaccine. Alot of us have already have it, probably ten times more than confirmed cases. In another 2 months a large percentage of the population will have been through it.


  • #2548
    timmy_mallet
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    road_high wrote: »
    You don't have a clue how some people have to live then- many wouldn't even have a car to carry a big shop. sure "Let them eat cake"

    Never mind the money to buy 10 days worth of food for a family.


  • #2549
    [Deleted User]
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    Hearty80 wrote: »
    I actually think it will be gone long before a vaccine. Alot of us have already have it, probably ten times more than confirmed cases. In another 2 months a large percentage of the population will have been through it.

    I agree. Spanish flu was just under a year from the 1st of the 3 peaks until it died out. If that is anything to go by, we’ll be through the other side off COVID-19 before a vaccine comes along


  • #2550
    road_high
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    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Never mind the money to buy 10 days worth of food for a family.

    Which they won’t have anyhow with the inevitable cuts coming if we keep this up. Donohoe said as much during the week but it was brushed over, of course.
    Maybe this week one of our “journalists” might start to wake up, stop rehashing government statements and do a bit of analysis of the economic fallout. You know, what journalists used to do


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  • #2551
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    And it makes perfect sense to you in this particular time to go out everyday to the newsagent ...rrright

    If the newsagents and supermarkets were rampant with contagious people, given you're assuming a high degree of rule flouting, cases would be spiking.

    PS: 2M for 15 (fifteen) minutes.


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