Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

Stheno · 26-04-2020 04:24PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Haven't antibodies already been proven? New York did testing already. 14% of the population had antibodies.

I think there are two aspects to it.

1. The presence of antibodies indicates you have had the virus but 2. It's not known what level of immunity it confers if any

podgeandrodge · 26-04-2020 04:25PM

VonLuck wrote: »

The fact is that if you have zero contact with the Covid-19 virus, you will not contract Covid-19. What more do you need?

If you adhere by social distancing measures the chances of catching it is minute. If you're looking for figures, that is impossible for anyone to give.

Social distancing, by the Governments own admission, has resulted in community transmission close to zero. Until and if they are proven to be wrong, that is a reasonable equivalent to saying the figures are "close to zero".

Tony EH · 26-04-2020 04:25PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Get lost. You were talking nonsense last night and even more today.

You and the WHO were handed their ass*s in the last 24 hours.

Yet again the WHO have been caught out talking sh*t. And no amount of word games will change that.

If they don't have proof then they need to stay quiet.

Here's something than might help you in this.

The WHO, nor anyone else, possess none of the former. But the WHO have some of the latter.

stephenjmcd · 26-04-2020 04:25PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Who am I shaming?

Alcohol is not essential for any of the things you mentioned... it's a poison that ruins your body and ruins many lives.

You'll never stop people from drinking or taking drugs. My only hope is that this crisis might put a huge dent in the industry... so there will be less of you guys around. And some of those people that might have gone into a pub (that no longer exists) will choose something better to do with their time!

I'm not naive, I don't think you could kill off an entire industry or culture overnight... but you could deliver a hefty blow to it. This virus could be the catalyst for that.

Less of you guys about... do you think I spend all day in the pub or something. It's a social outlet once a week for me and a few friends, that not allowed no ?

If the pub at the top of my road doesn't reopen we'll just meet in a different pub.

We get it you dont like alcohol time to get off your high horse in hoping that people lose their businesses.

MipMap · 26-04-2020 04:28PM

VonLuck wrote: »

I believe they do, and that's why people have tolerated it thus far. But there comes a breaking point for everyone.

Would you be willing to stay in "lockdown" indefinitely on the extremely low probability that your single efforts will save a life?

It's been 23 days so far !

I wonder what Nelson Mandela would say if he was still alive.

tobefrank321 · 26-04-2020 04:29PM

jackboy wrote: »

Or a reliable antibody test to show we are immune.

An 80 or 90% accurate test may be enough, given how herd immunity works. They'd want it at least 80% accurate though. Probably important to do 2 tests to make sure! That's how they currently test if you are recovered from covid 19, two consecuative negative tests. It also helps avoid false negatives.

Thats not to say they aren't accurate now though.

frillyleaf · 26-04-2020 04:32PM

VonLuck wrote: »

And how exactly will the easing of restrictions to the general public have any impact on nursing homes? No one is suggesting that any restrictions are relaxed where the most vulnerable are located.

Because people who work in nursing homes are part of our community

VonLuck · 26-04-2020 04:33PM

MipMap wrote: »

It's been 23 days so far !

I wonder what Nelson Mandela would say if he was still alive.

So what are your thoughts? Stay on lockdown until a vaccine is rolled out?

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 26-04-2020 04:36PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Less of you guys about... do you think I spend all day in the pub or something. It's a social outlet once a week for me and a few friends.

If the pub at the top of my road doesn't reopen well just meet in a different pub.

We get it you dont like alcohol time to get off your high horse.

Yeah, less people consuming a dangerous and unhealthy drug in a booze house as a hobby... what's so wrong with that? It's a very positive and aspirational goal for society!

If the pub at the top of your road doesn't reopen... then the pub at top of many people's road won't re-open. And if even a small % of those people decide to do something better with their spare time and money... then that's a win in my book!

I'm not on any high horse... I've seen the negative effects of alcohol and pubs in my immediate family and community. I have every right to be hostile towards this unhealthy pastime...

If this virus manages to kill off a decent % of the pub scene in this country... I will celebrate it as one the few positives to come out of this whole sh!tshow!

And you can still enjoy your pint somewhere, and I'll enjoy knowing that you might be a slightly less common species in society!

Akrasia · 26-04-2020 04:38PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Bollox. Name just one!

stephenjmcd · 26-04-2020 04:39PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Yeah, less people consuming a dangerous and unhealthy drug in a booze house as a hobby... what's so wrong with that? It's a very positive and aspirational goal for society!

If the pub at the top of your road doesn't reopen... then the pub at top of many people's road won't re-open. And if even a small % of those people decide to do something better with their spare time and money... then that's a win in my book!

I'm not on any high horse... I've seen the negative effects of alcohol and pubs in my immediate family and community. I have every right to be hostile towards this unhealthy pastime...

If this virus manages to kill off a decent % of the pub scene in this country... I will celebrate it as one the few positives to come out of this whole sh!tshow!

And you can still enjoy your pint somewhere, and I'll enjoy knowing that you might be a slightly less common species in society!

All I can do is laugh at that post. Not all of us are alcoholics. Your on a high horse trying to preach.

I'll enjoy my first pint back in the pub. You enjoy sitting at home giving out about people. I like a pint with a few friends so I guess I'm a different species. Have a fantastic Sunday, I'll raise a glass to you.

Tony EH · 26-04-2020 04:40PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Not a million miles away from you on this, but they need to be careful how they do public diplomacy. And their tweeting of the Chinese position that there was no evidence of person to person transmission at the time, while only stating a position that the Chinese had, does to an extent suggest to the general public that "there is nothing to worry about here, move along".

The dates are the important factor here. Nobody had a real clue what was going on in January. Not even the Chinese had a totally clear idea of what was happening. And coupled with their government's desire to save face (which they aren't alone in doing, not by a long shot), it would leave people outside of that country with a muddled picture, even with the valid information that they were providing the world with.

January was pretty chaotic as far as information about Covid-19 was concerned and to be honest, I wouldn't have expected it to be any other way. This is a relatively new virus (it was only given a name in mid January) with a large asymptomatic aspect to it too, which has been the biggest contributing factor to its spread. It was almost inevitable that it was going to extend out in the way that it did. It was probably already prevalent in Europe, before Italy's first case and long before the WHO even set foot in China.

podgeandrodge wrote: »

They also stated "facts rather than fear". Unfortunately, the facts are coming slow,

That's the nature of a fact. They are generally slow to gather as a lot of things have to be considered before something can be taken as fact.

VonLuck · 26-04-2020 04:40PM

frillyleaf wrote: »

Because people who work in nursing homes are part of our community

Surely we can rely on educated nursing home staff to adhere by social distancing restrictions.

frillyleaf · 26-04-2020 04:41PM

Snow Garden wrote: »

I would love pubs and restaurants to open as soon as possible but I am 99% positive it will not be this year.

I feel they’ll be open, differently to now they operated before this but they’ll be open

eagle eye · 26-04-2020 04:47PM

tobefrank321 wrote:

They now say they expect most people to have immunity.

They didn't say that, they said those who recover may have some protection.

Akabusi · 26-04-2020 04:47PM

Cootehill had the stag party that came back from Newcastle and it was reported that several of them had been infected after they were drinking in the town. That would feed into their numbers a bit but in no way explain the huge numbers it has.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 26-04-2020 04:50PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

All I can do is laugh at that post. Not all of us are alcoholics. Your on a high horse trying to preach.

I'll enjoy my first pint back in the pub. You enjoy sitting at home giving out about people. I like a pint with a few friends so I guess I'm a different species. Have a fantastic Sunday, I'll raise a glass to you.

Enjoy your pint.

Just remember though, it's not essential... the drink in your hand or the business selling it to you!

Not preaching to anyone. People were already starting to move away from the pub scene before this... the virus might just be the catalyst to kick more out the pub door and into better pastimes! (fingers crossed anyway)

I'll keep enjoying my life and having fun... without needing to put any drugs into my body to achieve it. Peace!

Beasty · 26-04-2020 04:51PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Get lost. You were talking nonsense last night and even more today.

You and the WHO were handed their ass*s in the last 24 hours.

Yet again the WHO have been caught out talking sh*t. And no amount of word games will change that.

If they don't have proof then they need to stay quiet.

Just drop this now. I've read through your posts here in the past few hours and you are simply trying to twist things to support your initial position, despite any number of posters pointing out where you were going wrong

Any questions PM me - do not respond to this post in-thread

laurah591 · 26-04-2020 04:51PM

Is an updated version of the irish covid map with the red dots available anywhere? I think it was in a surveillance report but can't remember where I saw it

eagle eye · 26-04-2020 04:53PM

Think it's a good idea to stay away from this thread. It must be a Sunday thing but the amount of people who cannot read properly and are coming up with ridiculous ideas about how we are all safe, back to work, end the lockdown, immune if you had the virus is unbelievable.

Assetbacked · 26-04-2020 04:54PM

frillyleaf wrote: »

I feel they’ll be open, differently to now they operated before this but they’ll be open

They have to open in some form as the government can't pay to keep them closed for months and paying to keep them closed is the only way to keep them closed.

caveat emptor · 26-04-2020 04:57PM

ek motor wrote: »

Where in that article does it say SARS-CoV-2 is a retrovirus ?

Sorry. You are right. Was mixed up between RNA Viruses which sars-cov-2 is and retro viruses.

My apologies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_classification

The International Committee on Taxonomy of Viruses (ICTV) classifies RNA viruses as those that belong to Group III, Group IV or Group V of the Baltimore classification system of classifying viruses and does not consider viruses with DNA intermediates in their life cycle as RNA viruses.[3] Viruses with RNA as their genetic material which also include DNA intermediates in their replication cycle are called retroviruses, and comprise Group VI of the Baltimore classification. Notable human retroviruses include HIV-1 and HIV-2, the cause of the disease AIDS.

Another term for RNA viruses that explicitly excludes retroviruses is ribovirus.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_virus

VonLuck · 26-04-2020 05:00PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Think it's a good idea to stay away from this thread. It must be a Sunday thing but the amount of people who cannot read properly and are coming up with ridiculous ideas about how we are all safe, back to work, end the lockdown, immune if you had the virus is unbelievable.

You might need to heed your own advice!

tobefrank321 · 26-04-2020 05:03PM

VonLuck wrote: »

You might need to heed your own advice!

Agreed there are no experts on this coronavirus as its new.

There are experts on previous coronaviruses and we need to listen to their expertise.

caveat emptor · 26-04-2020 05:04PM

laurah591 wrote: »

Is an updated version of the irish covid map with the red dots available anywhere? I think it was in a surveillance report but can't remember where I saw it

Yeah I was looking for that too. It was part of the health protection surveillance centre reports although I haven't seen it in any of the reports over the last week.

I think it's really important to see which pockets are still burning so to speak. You can use it to decide if you'll chance a takeaway etc. Hopefully they include it again with updated info.

Gael23 · 26-04-2020 05:14PM

26 deaths and 701 cases

Beechwoodspark · 26-04-2020 05:14PM

Gael23 wrote: »

26 deaths and 701 cases

Should the confirmed cases not be getting lower by now

SleetAndSnow · 26-04-2020 05:15PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Should the confirmed cases not be getting lower by now

Testing all the staff and residents of nursing homes regardless of systems or not

Inquitus · 26-04-2020 05:15PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Should the confirmed cases not be getting lower by now

The more you test the more you find.

stephenjmcd · 26-04-2020 05:16PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Should the confirmed cases not be getting lower by now

Not with the nursing homes and long term care settings. It's a complete mess in those settings. It's been let run rampant.

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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