Relaxation of restrictions Part II

Gal2glam wrote: »

There’s no 2km limit when it comes to shopping.

For non essential services there is, I mean I shouldnt travel 20km to supermacs today. I'd like to but I wont.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A church in the Taoiseachs constituency has it's choir still attending and performing at it's masses including today. While there's still a restriction of 10 people at a funeral country-wide.

It's for the sake of the stream.

GazzaL wrote: »

Did you see the suicide statistics from the last recession posted a few pages back? Those services won't catch everyone, far from it. People aren't allowed to see their families and friends, they're losing their jobs, they're losing their businesses, they're losing deposits on homes, they're losing their homes. Their lives are being destroyed. Are their lives worth nothing?

Jeez chxrst. Yeah loads of people are are in the same boat. Some may indeed become depressed. Some may even consider self harm. Not by any means all. Most people are resilient
There is help for people if they chose to avail of it.

We all risk infection. Some risk serious incapacity and death not of their choosing. Approx 15% of those infected risk hospitalisation. 5% of those risk ending up in intensive care. Todate 1,063 people have died.
It's no friggin joke. We limit interaction with others to protect ourselves and more importantly protect others. Are those peoples lives worth nothing? Which bit do you have trouble with exactly?

We're doing this so infection rates wont climb out of control and our health services wont be overrun.

There are welfare and medical supports available. Restrictions will be lifted. Life will go on. Yes It may take while.

GazzaL wrote: »

The "complacency" that's commencing will really be complacency if the Government/HSE go all in on keeping the lockdown because they won't be able to get people to buy into it. Any hope of that evaporated with Gardai attending house parties and the laws not applying to certain people.

Drop the hyperbole. There is no 'lockdown'. There are restictions to prevent our health service been overrun. I dont go with the conspiracy theory garbage.

GazzaL wrote: »

New case numbers are misleading unless you go deeper than the headline number. Two important caveats are when were the tests carried out, and is an increase in testing the reason for the higher numbers. According to Professor Nolan, since early April the growth rate of new cases was effectively zero. I think we can all be happy with that.

Is your professor the only person you take on board? As for rates. Look to the death rate if you are in doubt. It has increased. Those figures does not lie.

The figure you refer to relates to the R0. That has decreased because people are limiting interactions. Throw that out the window and the R0 will go straight back up and we're right back at the start.

gozunda wrote: »

Jeez chxrst. Yeah loads of people are are in the same boat. Some may indeed become depressed. Some may even consider self harm. Not by any means all. Most people are resilient
There is help for people if they chose to avail of it.

We all risk infection. Some risk serious incapacity and death not of their choosing. Approx 15% of those infected risk hospitalisation. 5% of those risk ending up in intensive care. It's no friggin joke. We limit interaction with others to protect ourselves and more importantly protect others. Are peoples lives worth nothing? Which bit do you have trouble with exactly?

We're doing this so infection rates wont climb out of control and our health services wont be overrun.

There are welfare and medical supports available. Restrictions will be lifted. Life will go on. Yes It may take while.




Drop the hyperbole. There us no 'lockdown'. There are restictions to prevent our health service been overrun. I dont go with the conspiracy theory garbage.



Is your professor the only person you take on board? As for rates. Look to the death rate if you are in doubt. It has increased. Those figures does not lie.

The figure you refer to relates to the R0. That has decreased because people are limiting interactions. Throw that out the window and the R0 will go straight back up and we're right back at the start.

They do if you don't read & listen to what accompanies them. O' Hollihan made it clear that the surge in figures was due a backlog & how they were reported.

No one here is advocating the removal of social distancing.

BanditLuke wrote: »

People using suicide stats as a means to justify opening everything up again are as low as it gets.

You couldn't give a hoot about suicide you blaggers all you care about is your wine ó clock and the gym.

Disgusting post. I've mentioned suicide on here because it is a fact that people are struggling. I don't drink and I'm not a member of a gym either.

There's nothing stopping people having wine o'clock at home either, and I hope people aren't overdoing it or becoming dependent on it as a result of the lockdown.

BanditLuke wrote: »

People using suicide stats as a means to justify opening everything up again are as low as it gets.

You couldn't give a hoot about suicide you blaggers all you care about is your wine ó clock and the gym.

People using death rates as a means to justify shutting everything down is as low as it gets.

Tell me, how do you know the poster is not one of the people contemplating suicide?

Without entering the realm of conspiracies & given the haphazard way that figures have been released, would it suit the government to present them in a way to justify a further restriction extension ?

gozunda wrote: »

The figures I refer to is the R0 and the death rate.

R0 is down. However the death figures rate is still increasing but is not dependent on what you "read" or "listen to"

That said the gradual lifting of restrictions has been detailed. What we dont need is our health services been overrun. Hence the existing. restrictions. It's not that difficult to work that out tbh.

It isn't. It totally depends on who you listen to because they explain when the deaths occurred. The relevant number is the actual deaths each day & the numbers in ICU, both are falling.

Nothing has been detailed. We have no real idea what restrictions will be lifted & when. Meanwhile businesses are supposed to plan.

niallo27 wrote: »

For non essential services there is, I mean I shouldnt travel 20km to supermacs today. I'd like to but I wont.

The specific figure of 2km (from the exercise restriction) still has no bearing on that though, and it's solely a question of the necessity of the journey (unlikely to be that necessary or without an alternative). People are continually drawing a connection between two separate guidelines that is not stated anywhere.

easypazz wrote: »

Stop being silly.

Everything except essential services is closed.
You are only allowed out of your home if it is essential, or to exercise, alone, once a day, within 2kM of your home.The lockdown could not be stricter, other than to ban exercise.

I could suggest to stop being perverse. People are able to go out and exercise. To go the shops to buy food and medication and to attend necessary medical needs. You can 'exercise in your living room, garden / outside or balcony.
What that is - is not a 'lockdown". They're restrictions to protect people and to protect others and to stop medical services been overrun.. It's not difficult to understand.

Discodog wrote: »

Without entering the realm of conspiracies & given the haphazard way that figures have been released, would it suit the government to present them in a way to justify a further restriction extension ?

The only reason I would see for this is that don't have enough ppe or testing equipment in the event the easing of restrictions causes a rise in cases.

easypazz wrote: »

Everything except essential services is closed, which we are allowed access to, when needed.

We are allowed out once a day, within 2kM of our home, for exercise.

That is it. We have no other rights.

How is that not a lockdown?

There is nothing else they can take from us.

People can still shop online. Deliveries for non essential goods is still ongoing. People can leave their houses as often as they like. The state cannot effectively police a full lockdown which is why there isn't one in place. Some people are too stupid to heed the current restrictions.
See Wuhan, China, and parts of spain for stricter lockdown restrictions than those here.

easypazz wrote: »

Explain it to us so what a lockdown is?

Close shops and all starve?

Ban exercise?

We have no rights left.

First world problems. You have absolutely no idea what 'no rights' actually is.