Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

PokeHerKing wrote: »

CNN doing a piece on Japan right now. Seems the Japs are in a spot of bother going by this report.

Can you link it for me by any chance?

wadacrack wrote: »

Hopefully other countries are learning from this approach

https://twitter.com/AndyBiotech/status/1254220044592205827

South Korea have done a phenomonal job to stop the spread.

jackboy wrote: »

Do you think there is a good chance some of these may be useful?

I know the FDA are desperate to get at least one of these on the market and are working with the companies to fast track the approval process. The FDA may approve one of these over the summer.

I just had a look as I don’t think the Abbott test was given FDA - EAU (Emergency Use Authorisation) and I was correct it hasn’t been reviewed.

https://www.abbott.com/corpnewsroom/product-and-innovation/abbott-launches-covid-19-antibody-test.html


But I seen there been 3 new tests approved on Friday


24/04/2020 DiaSorin has IgG Sero for the Liaison-EUA

24/04/2020 Ortho-clinical (Johnson & Johnson) has IgG Sero for Vitros EUA

24/04/2020 Autobio - Total Antibody serology Rapid test has been given EUA.

https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/emergency-situations-medical-devices/emergency-use-authorizations


And as expected Roche are seeking the same

https://www.medicaldevice-network.com/news/roche-serology-test-covid-19-antibodies/

Gynoid wrote: »

Something I see re South Korea. They have done about 600,000 tests. They are famed for their test, trace, isolate efficiency. I have read they have one of the world's biggest testing programs. They have found 1.8% of those tested had covid. About 11000 cases. And of their identified positive cases the death rate is 2.2%.

While they are doing great, perhaps those who say the covid CFR is about the same as the flu (0.1%) or just double, maybe 5 times at most (0.2 - 0.5%) should look a bit closer at South Korea's experience.

If you also look at Germany, UAE, NZ and Australia they have all been consistently doing high level of testing from the start and they all have low death rates.

The key there is they are doing testing and having a result within 12-48hrs, this helps significantly with contact tracing.

bilston wrote: »

Rather than seeing it as a competition surely it is more likely they want to be able to compare themselves to other countries so they can figure out what works in some countries and what doesn't in others?

The UK get a lot of stick on this MB for only counting hospital deaths. What do the majority of other countries do? Not a loaded question, I genuinely don't know the answer. I know Ireland counts all deaths, but it might be harder to collate all those stats in a bigger country on a daily basis?

There's a comparison here in the IT by Professor Tomlinson at Queens University Belfast on why the RoI's death rate is 66% that of NI. From the article:


The main differences between the North and the Republic emerged in the first three weeks of March as the British and Irish governments took different approaches to the cancellation of mass gatherings, the closure of schools and universities, and other lockdown measures.

The differences, particularly over school closures, caused political friction in the North but the key policy difference was revealed on March 12th when the British announced the “contain phase” was over and that testing for the Covid-19 infection would henceforth be largely confined to hospital admissions. Contact tracing ceased. Policy became focused almost entirely on managing hospital and intensive care unit capacity.

Meanwhile the Irish Government moved in the opposite direction. From early March testing and contact tracing were expanded through dozens of community-based facilities and by the end of March the Republic was testing at more than twice the British rate. Chief Medical Officer Dr Holohan repeatedly emphasised the priority of saving lives.

And:

The graphs show death rates per million of population for the North and the Republic and also hospital-based deaths. In both examples the Republic’s death rate is two-thirds that in the North.

This is the clearest evidence we have that the different approaches to tackling the Covid-19 outbreak are resulting in different outcomes. This may change as the pandemic progresses but for now it is reasonable to assume that the North’s higher death rates result from lower rates of testing, the lack of contact tracing and the slower application of lockdown measures compared with the Republic.



There is an old saying: All comparisons are invidious. However, in order to truly assess how well the Irish government, the public service and the HSE are and have been responding to this pandemic, we must contrast and compare. When we do, by all metrics, Ireland has responded well by comparison with our closest neighbour. It can be argued that their response was abysmal but nevertheless it would appear that the response was imperfect but good Especially as reporting of statistics was a clear and fact-based as possible.

What reassures me that Ireland's response has been relatively good is that three front line hospital doctors have posted on Boards during this pandemic and all three have highly praised the HSE's response.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

We certainly don't have low numbers!

And with the factors that were in our favour from the outset of this... we really should have expected to have low numbers. (Island on the edge of europe / low pop density / young population / advanced warning etc etc)

Our response to this crisis has been poor. And in fact, continues to be sub par.

100%..all of the above was stacked in our favor, we were holding all the cards but.... I think anyone has only had to take a look out their window for 5 minutes and witness some of the complete disregard some people have had for what’s going on, the great potential for loss of life , serious illness and misery and some people are just waffling on about mental health and ‘having’ to go visit someone. See how your mental health is when you can’t get to the graveside of a friend or family member and are instead sat back at home, wondering if you might have played a part.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Numbers in ICU have dropped again.
https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1254354360399810561?s=21

And the number of deaths increased yesterday.

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

And the number of deaths increased yesterday.

The number of reported deaths increased