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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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  • #1982
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    This is fantastic to see and exactly the approach we need here in Ireland. Fine them hard and heavy as these vermin think they above the law.

    Vermin?!! Haha. The closer it gets to a realisation their horse has lost, the more they lash out


  • #1983
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    growleaves wrote: »
    Machine learning could check if you’re social distancing properly at work

    A frightening future and complete inappropriate use of ML


  • #1984
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    growleaves wrote: »
    ‘I want my life back’: Germans rail against Covid-19 lockdown

    What a bunch of idiots.


  • #1985
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    This is fantastic to see and exactly the approach we need here in Ireland. Fine them hard and heavy as these vermin think they above the law.

    Do you know what unintended consequences are? Treating ordinary people as if they terrorists will result in lots of them.

    All the posters who want to open a Pandora's Box of martial law, fascism, dictatorial government...we're just about to celebrate one hundred years of freedom, civil peace and civil restraint. You could have none of these things ever again if this thing goes too far.


  • #1986
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    growleaves wrote: »
    Do you know what unintended consequences are? Treating ordinary people as if they terrorists will result in lots of them.

    All the posters who want to open a Pandora's Box of martial law, fascism, dictatorial government...we're just about to celebrate one hundred years of freedom, civil peace and civil restraint. You could have none of these things ever again if this thing goes too far.

    Agree, Brexit types. Brexit will never be enough for them. Same with this. No matter what the restrictions are, they will view them as too lax. Until the man comes to weld their door shut and take their kids.


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  • #1987
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    growleaves wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1253000648318226434?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    Frightening really.


  • #1988
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,656 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lyanna Shallow Ore wrote: »
    I'm not finding it too difficult either. But like you I'm locked down in a house where I have someone else for company, plenty of room, a nice garden and I enjoy cooking, baking and reading.
    I'm not stuck in a one bedroomed apartment with no outside space.
    I'm not trying to work while simultaneously mind two toddlers in a house with only one living area.
    I'm not all on my own in an area where no one knows anybody.
    I'm not suffering from mental health problems.
    I'm not worried sick about an elderly parent who is not coping well and lives miles away from me.

    I do agree that some of the moaners and restriction breakers are just self absorbed whiners.

    But there are a lot of people genuinely struggling with this, and not in a position to just put on a cheery smile and spruce up the house and garden.

    Some posters are unbelievably smug in how they are loving this holiday time in their lovely house, looking after their lovely garden, having lovely drinkies and BBQs while listening to their favourite music, banking €700 between them a week with no huge outgoings except a "small" mortgage...... well whoppee for them. Its not like that for everyone. To say there is a lack of empathy from such posters is an understatement.

    I live alone, my only 2 kids live abroad, I'm home with no work until restrictions end , my mother is in a nursing home and i haven't seen her for 7 weeks, shes rapidly losing weight due to her illness. I am a strong person, very active and fit and a member of a hiking club. My outdoor pursuits and activities have been my natural therapy ever since I lost a child to cancer some years ago. Many thousands of people in this country have suffered bereavement of children, partners, siblings and parents, many of those are very recently. Our therapy was always to meet people, go to the shops, get a coffee, get outside to the mountains or the beach, go to work. That has been taken away from those people who are silently suffering huge losses and many of them are completely alone now.

    WhatsApp and Zoom are no longer cutting it , its often lonelier after those calls seeing my kids so far away...... both my trips to them this year cancelled. These last 6 weeks have been horrendous but I will get through this period. I am not ringing some helpline as there is nothing wrong with me except I feel lonely.

    There is far too much smugness from people saying those who are lonely and isolated are "snowflakes" and just "get on with it" (while they sit at home together sipping wine and watching Netflix). I have noticed ALL these people are in couples and many have kids. They don't know what loneliness is . A lot of people have no ability to look at life from a different perspective to their own.


  • #1989
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    growleaves wrote: »
    Do you know what unintended consequences are? Treating ordinary people as if they terrorists will result in lots of them.

    All the posters who want to open a Pandora's Box of martial law, fascism, dictatorial government...we're just about to celebrate one hundred years of freedom, civil peace and civil restraint. You could have none of these things ever again if this thing goes too far.

    No but nice effort at diluting the arguement.


  • #1990
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    What a bunch of idiots.

    ... and yet Berlin is only expereincing 60-70 new cases per day and only 3-4 deaths with a much milder lockdown....

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #1991
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    easypazz wrote: »
    Woodies have said they are gearing up for a May 5th reopening, getting staff in to prepare stores etc.

    Looks like hardwares and construction after May 5th, loads more traffic on the roads again with that. Too much for Garda to mount endless road blocks.

    Not looking great for the lockdowners.

    Yes I have heard this too, I think hardware stores and maybe some other stores will re open on the 5th and probably construction sites too as you say. Dont be surprised if they are closed again in the coming months if new cases/deaths start going too far north.


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  • #1992
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,218 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Some posters are unbelievably smug in how they are loving this holiday time in their lovely house, looking after their lovely garden, having lovely drinkies and BBQs while listening to their favourite music, banking €700 between them a week with no huge outgoings except a "small" mortgage...... well whoppee for them. Its not like that for everyone. To say there is a lack of empathy from such posters is an understatement.

    I live alone, my only 2 kids live abroad, I'm home with no work until restrictions end , my mother is in a nursing home and i haven't seen her for 7 weeks, shes rapidly losing weight due to her illness. I am a strong person, very active and fit and a member of a hiking club. My outdoor pursuits and activities have been my natural therapy ever since I lost a child to cancer some years ago. Many thousands of people in this country have suffered bereavement of children, partners, siblings and parents, many of those are very recently. Our therapy was always to meet people, go to the shops, get a coffee, get outside to the mountains or the beach, go to work. That has been taken away from those people who are silently suffering huge losses and many of them are completely alone now.

    WhatsApp and Zoom are no longer cutting it , its often lonelier after those calls seeing my kids so far away...... both my trips to them this year cancelled. These last 6 weeks have been horrendous but I will get through this period. I am not ringing some helpline as there is nothing wrong with me except I feel lonely.

    There is far too much smugness from people saying those who are lonely and isolated are "snowflakes" and just "get on with it" (while they sit at home together sipping wine and watching Netflix). I have noticed ALL these people are in couples and many have kids. They don't know what loneliness is . A lot of people have no ability to look at life from a different perspective to their own.

    Look after yourself Maggie and that post is a real eye opener to what is happening to a lot of people around the world but the lockdown merchants won't even think of someone in your situation,hope you get through this pandemic and come out stronger after it


  • #1993
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    growleaves wrote: »
    The Government's "strategy" turns them into perpetual jailers.

    It is the first attempt in history to quarantine the healthy rather than the sick.

    We need a new "strategy".

    That's nothing new. The idea of "jailer" society has been around for a long time.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #1994
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Some posters are unbelievably smug in how they are loving this holiday time in their lovely house, looking after their lovely garden, having lovely drinkies and BBQs while listening to their favourite music, banking €700 between them a week with no huge outgoings except a "small" mortgage...... well whoppee for them. Its not like that for everyone. To say there is a lack of empathy from such posters is an understatement.

    I live alone, my only 2 kids live abroad, I'm home with no work until restrictions end , my mother is in a nursing home and i haven't seen her for 7 weeks, shes rapidly losing weight due to her illness. I am a strong person, very active and fit and a member of a hiking club. My outdoor pursuits and activities have been my natural therapy ever since I lost a child to cancer some years ago. Many thousands of people in this country have suffered bereavement of children, partners, siblings and parents, many of those are very recently. Our therapy was always to meet people, go to the shops, get a coffee, get outside to the mountains or the beach, go to work. That has been taken away from those people who are silently suffering huge losses and many of them are completely alone now.

    WhatsApp and Zoom are no longer cutting it , its often lonelier after those calls seeing my kids so far away...... both my trips to them this year cancelled. These last 6 weeks have been horrendous but I will get through this period. I am not ringing some helpline as there is nothing wrong with me except I feel lonely.

    There is far too much smugness from people saying those who are lonely and isolated are "snowflakes" and just "get on with it" (while they sit at home together sipping wine and watching Netflix). I have noticed ALL these people are in couples and many have kids. They don't know what loneliness is . A lot of people have no ability to look at life from a different perspective to their own.

    Correct. Dont mind them. This place is full of them, no other route to lash out. The idea that people dont h understand the risk and arent capable of understanding the trade off between life and sickness is belittling and offensive. It wont be long before you can do those other things, dont worry.


  • #1995
    Nermal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭Nermal


    The WHO backtracking on their scaremongering tweet yesterday:

    https://www.twitter.com/WHO/status/1254160937805926405


  • #1996
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,009 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    ek motor wrote: »
    Yes I have heard this too, I think hardware stores and maybe some other stores will re open on the 5th and probably construction sites too as you say. Dont be surprised if they are closed again in the coming months if new cases/deaths start going too far north.

    I think a future lockdown is understandable if it proves necessary & people will accept it.

    The checkpoints are pointless. All businesses, that can operate with distancing, should be allowed to open & the Gardai redeployed to ensure that distancing is being observed. The questioning of individuals is a total waste of time.

    It's disappointing that the government seem dismissive about regional variations. It's crazy to shut down thousands of small businesses, companies etc in areas with low incidence of Covid. It's also crazy to use the Nursing Home figures as a rod to beat the rest of the country with.


  • #1997
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Some posters are unbelievably smug in how they are loving this holiday time in their lovely house, looking after their lovely garden, having lovely drinkies and BBQs while listening to their favourite music, banking €700 between them a week with no huge outgoings except a "small" mortgage...... well whoppee for them. Its not like that for everyone. To say there is a lack of empathy from such posters is an understatement.

    I live alone, my only 2 kids live abroad, I'm home with no work until restrictions end , my mother is in a nursing home and i haven't seen her for 7 weeks, shes rapidly losing weight due to her illness. I am a strong person, very active and fit and a member of a hiking club. My outdoor pursuits and activities have been my natural therapy ever since I lost a child to cancer some years ago. Many thousands of people in this country have suffered bereavement of children, partners, siblings and parents, many of those are very recently. Our therapy was always to meet people, go to the shops, get a coffee, get outside to the mountains or the beach, go to work. That has been taken away from those people who are silently suffering huge losses and many of them are completely alone now.

    WhatsApp and Zoom are no longer cutting it , its often lonelier after those calls seeing my kids so far away...... both my trips to them this year cancelled. These last 6 weeks have been horrendous but I will get through this period. I am not ringing some helpline as there is nothing wrong with me except I feel lonely.

    There is far too much smugness from people saying those who are lonely and isolated are "snowflakes" and just "get on with it" (while they sit at home together sipping wine and watching Netflix). I have noticed ALL these people are in couples and many have kids. They don't know what loneliness is . A lot of people have no ability to look at life from a different perspective to their own.

    Well said. All these "shamers" and lockdown forever types are disgusting and selfish.


  • #1998
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    I doubt we will ever see a full lockdown again.

    Increased social distancing as required, testing capacity, ppe reserves and the ability to rapidly scale up ICU rooms with ventilators etc. will enable us to manage any future wave better.


  • #1999
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Doesn't look like there will be any type of relaxation of restrictions on the 5th going by some of the comments from ministers the last few days as well as Tony and other high ranking HSE officials. Going to be tough for a few on here to take but take solace in the fact that they are the experts and we are all just hurlers on the ditch for Ireland.

    Safe at home. Stay safe and support your HSE.


  • #2000
    Longing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭Longing


    easypazz wrote: »
    I doubt we will ever see a full lockdown again.

    Increased social distancing as required, testing capacity, ppe reserves and the ability to rapidly scale up ICU rooms with ventilators etc. will enable us to manage any future wave better.

    This is not a full lockdown.


  • #2001
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Doesn't look like there will be any type of relaxation of restrictions on the 5th going by some of the comments from ministers the last few days as well as Tony and other high ranking HSE officials. Going to be tough for a few on here to take but take solace in the fact that they are the experts and we are all just hurlers on the ditch for Ireland.

    Safe at home. Stay safe and support your HSE.

    And BanditLuke waves the white flag, high above his head, unbelievable Jeff.


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  • #2002
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Longing wrote: »
    This is not a full lockdown.

    Amazing this still has to be explained to the selfish open it all up warriors on here.


  • #2003
    Longing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭Longing


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Amazing this still has to be explained to the selfish open it all up warriors on here.

    Sorry: Edit

    Read your post wrong.


  • #2004
    Multipass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Some posters are unbelievably smug in how they are loving this holiday time in their lovely house, looking after their lovely garden, having lovely drinkies and BBQs while listening to their favourite music, banking €700 between them a week with no huge outgoings except a "small" mortgage...... well whoppee for them. Its not like that for everyone. To say there is a lack of empathy from such posters is an understatement.

    I live alone, my only 2 kids live abroad, I'm home with no work until restrictions end , my mother is in a nursing home and i haven't seen her for 7 weeks, shes rapidly losing weight due to her illness. I am a strong person, very active and fit and a member of a hiking club. My outdoor pursuits and activities have been my natural therapy ever since I lost a child to cancer some years ago. Many thousands of people in this country have suffered bereavement of children, partners, siblings and parents, many of those are very recently. Our therapy was always to meet people, go to the shops, get a coffee, get outside to the mountains or the beach, go to work. That has been taken away from those people who are silently suffering huge losses and many of them are completely alone now.

    WhatsApp and Zoom are no longer cutting it , its often lonelier after those calls seeing my kids so far away...... both my trips to them this year cancelled. These last 6 weeks have been horrendous but I will get through this period. I am not ringing some helpline as there is nothing wrong with me except I feel lonely.

    There is far too much smugness from people saying those who are lonely and isolated are "snowflakes" and just "get on with it" (while they sit at home together sipping wine and watching Netflix). I have noticed ALL these people are in couples and many have kids. They don't know what loneliness is . A lot of people have no ability to look at life from a different perspective to their own.

    Couldn’t agree more, ‘I’m all right Jack’ is the attitude. 2 adults on 700 a week, I’d be in heaven too. My son is 18 studying for the leaving cert.... in hope it will go ahead and his college applications overseas will wait for the delayed results. I got laid off in January. So we are 2 adults trying to live on 239 per week, I’m struggling with suicidal thoughts every day.


  • #2005
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,949 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Doesn't look like there will be any type of relaxation of restrictions on the 5th going by some of the comments from ministers the last few days as well as Tony and other high ranking HSE officials. Going to be tough for a few on here to take but take solace in the fact that they are the experts and we are all just hurlers on the ditch for Ireland.

    Safe at home. Stay safe and support your HSE.


    Why ? Wards arent full in public hospitals. Private hospitals are lying empty which will cost the taxpayer 100s of millions


  • #2006
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Multipass wrote: »
    Couldn’t agree more, ‘I’m all right Jack’ is the attitude. 2 adults on 700 a week, I’d be in heaven too. My son is 18 studying for the leaving cert.... in hope it will go ahead and his college applications overseas will wait for the delayed results. I got laid off in January. So we are 2 adults trying to live on 239 per week, I’m struggling with suicidal thoughts every day.

    Someone will be along soon to tell you to "put your shoulder to the wheel" or "toughen up"... dont mind them and dont worry, itll be over soon.


  • #2007
    SNNUS
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 787 ✭✭✭SNNUS


    Infinite lockdown is the only solution... Oh dear...


  • #2008
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,293 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    The government has handled the crisis really well so far I think. It is their duty to err on the side of caution, too.
    However people have been in lockdown for 6 weeks and there is no end in sight even though our numbers appear better than other country's numbers who start easing.
    Come next weekend there will have to be the formulation of an exit or wind-down strategy or at least some assurance that we're working towards one. Whether its with rules or masks or tests or whatever there will need to be some sort of plan other than sitting at home staring at the numbers every day. If not the government will run the risk of what you call in football 'losing the dressing room'.


  • #2009
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Nermal wrote: »
    The WHO backtracking on their scaremongering tweet yesterday:

    https://www.twitter.com/WHO/status/1254160937805926405

    ****en hell that's pretty huge isnt it.


  • #2010
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    Do those of you who insist restrictions must be eased on the 5th (I’d like them to be but if they can’t I'll continue to comply) not see the benefit in coming down hard on those who are currently breaking restrictions?

    I’m talking about those who aren’t social distancing, who are going into each other’s houses etc. Not those who go for a 2nd walk, stray 2.1km from home etc.

    Surely the higher the compliance in the next 9 days, the more restrictions can be lifted?


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  • #2011
    Longing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭Longing


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Someone will be along soon to tell you to "put your shoulder to the wheel" or "toughen up"... dont mind them and dont worry, itll be over soon.


    Be realistic. This will not be over until vaccine 1 year to 18 months away. But I do hope shops and other business will start to open again in the coming months. But unfortunately it will take time for our economy to recover. Everyone is effected by this pandemic one way or another some more than others. We have to adopt and change they we live our lives going forward.


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