Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

UrbanFret · 26-04-2020 12:43AM

polesheep wrote: »

Facilities leased and either not used or grossly underused, private hospitals leased and either not used or under used, public hospital facilities closed and replacement facilities purchased from private, plus lots more. There is a very long list that will all come out when this is over. It was the equivalent of giving a gambling addict your credit card.

Oh for **** sake.Surely it's better to have them and not need them then to need them and not have them

tobefrank321 · 26-04-2020 12:47AM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Nobody can guarantee that. Drugs and vaccines can and often do fail at the trial stage.

Yes I've said that, we are in agreement. There is no guarantee of that.

polesheep · 26-04-2020 12:50AM

Miike wrote: »

Your posts are laden with the inaccuracies of someone who's never spent 60 seconds in a ward but are bona fide experts on running not just the wards, but the entire health service from the top down.

You're under the illusion that nurses and doctors working in departments with cancelled procedures are sitting around twiddling their thumbs? Literally, every single one of those people are redeployed as part of the preparedness strategy and BCP.

I don't expect the general public to be privy to that, it's quite an internal affair but at least make an attempt to inform your drivel before you present it as fact.

I'm under no illusion, my wife has been redeployed so I'm quite well aware of redeployment. And there's is nothing 'internal affair' about it, it's public knowledge. I'm also aware of doctors and nurses with so little to do that they have been allowed home early. You, on the other hand, seem to be under the illusion that an organisation, the HSE, that was utterly unfit for purpose before all of this, suddenly became a model of success... it didn't. We're getting through this because of the outstanding professionalism of our healthcare workers, despite the HSE.

ek motor · 26-04-2020 12:51AM

Another potential glimmer of hope

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/bern-research_swift-covid-19-vaccine-within-reach--say-swiss-scientists/45704796

tobefrank321 · 26-04-2020 12:53AM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

How is saying it could have been reinfection ignoring all the caveats? They are not saying they know for sure, they are saying it's a possibility. The WHO can't control what the media will write.

They've repeated over and over several times this week their belief there is no evidence of immunity after recovering.

Something like 1 million people if not more are now recovered from covid 19. There have few if any accounts of reinfection apart from the Korean study. The authors of the Korean study said they aren't sure why someone could test positive after testing negative.

This didn't stop the WHO repeatedly saying there is no evidence of immunity.

A complete and utter misrepresentation of the Korean study.

polesheep · 26-04-2020 12:53AM

UrbanFret wrote: »

Oh for **** sake.Surely it's better to have them and not need them then to need them and not have them

Of course it is, but it's the extent that matters.

Tony EH · 26-04-2020 12:53AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

So far in this crisis the WHO have stated with great authority at various stages that there is:

1. No evidence covid 19 is transmitted person to person.
2. No evidence banning travel to and from hotspots slows down the spread.

Both if these assertions were proven to be categorically and without question wrong. Just ask Taiwan and NZ about point 2.

So you will excuse me if I take anything they say about covid 19 with a pinch of salt going forward when they got basic facts wrong in the past.

This is a lie and you know that. They said that the Chinese had found no human to human transmission. That was on the 14th of January. Nearly a month before they were allowed into Wuhan to assess things for themselves.

Stop spreading lies. You've already been corrected about this.

Polar101 · 26-04-2020 12:54AM

tigger123 wrote: »

Definitely a reduction in the amount of people I've seen out and about today (compared to previous days and weeks).

Loads of people about when I went for a walk. The local park & ride has been pretty empty for weeks, but today there were plenty of cars parked (which I guess would mean they are further than 2km out), and people on a picnic and playing football.

..most were social distancing at least.

fritzelly · 26-04-2020 12:55AM

ek motor wrote: »

Another potential glimmer of hope

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/bern-research_swift-covid-19-vaccine-within-reach--say-swiss-scientists/45704796

Another "We have a realistic chance of being successful" - tested in mice under laboratory conditions

Must be 20+ of these miracle vaccines at this stage and not one has come close to being viable. But it helps their bank balances

ek motor · 26-04-2020 12:57AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Another "We have a realistic chance of being successful" - tested in mice under laboratory conditions

Must be 20+ of these miracle vaccines at this stage and not one has come close to being viable. But it helps their bank balances

There are over 70 vaccines announced currently. A few are in Phase 1 human trials. One in America, one in UK and one being developed by Sinovac in China.

fritzelly · 26-04-2020 12:58AM

Tony EH wrote: »

This is a lie and you know that. They said that the Chinese had found no human to human transmission. That was on the 14th of January. Nearly a month before they were allowed into Wuhan to assess things for themselves.

Stop spreading lies. You've already been corrected about this.

They shouldn't be tweeting unsubstantiated "findings" - they are supposed to be the authority on this type of thing being the World Health Organisation

But we all know why they tweeted it...

wakka12 · 26-04-2020 12:58AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Another "We have a realistic chance of being successful" - tested in mice under laboratory conditions

Must be 20+ of these miracle vaccines at this stage and not one has come close to being viable. But it helps their bank balances

Yeh something like that to seems to get posted nearly every single day since February, if something is actually viable and has potential, everyone will be talking about it and you wont find info about it on obscure webpages

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 26-04-2020 01:00AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

They've repeated over and over several times this week their belief there is no evidence of immunity after recovering.

Something like 1 million people if not more are now recovered from covid 19. There have few if any accounts of reinfection apart from the Korean study. The authors of the Korean study said they aren't sure why someone could test positive after testing negative.

This didn't stop the WHO repeatedly saying there is no evidence of immunity.

A complete and utter misrepresentation of the Korean study.

Is there evidence yet? If there's no evidence then they are right to highlight that, especially as some country are thinking of allowing people who have had to covid19 to move around freely. Antibody testing for covid19 is far from reliable so they are just warning that it might be foolish to assume immunity in people. They are telling people and countries to err on the side of caution which is the prudent thing to do whilst our knowledge of the virus and the immune response against it is still so incomplete. I can't fathom what the problem is. It really comes across as you having an axe to grind.

SharpshooterTom · 26-04-2020 01:00AM

kyote00 wrote: »

You are really missing the point.....

About 27 million people in the good old USA have not health insurance
https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2019/demo/p60-267.html

I think its a bit higher than that now since they were the figures when Obama left office, they're certainly going to be worse after this pandemic since a lot of them were employer based.

ek motor · 26-04-2020 01:02AM

wakka12 wrote: »

Yeh something like that to seems to get posted nearly every single day since February, if something is actually viable and has potential, everyone will be talking about it and you wont find info about it on obscure webpages

Vaccine development takes a LONG time generally. Personally , news like this gives me a little hope amidst all the negative news .

questionmark? · 26-04-2020 01:04AM

Polar101 wrote: »

Loads of people about when I went for a walk. The local park & ride has been pretty empty for weeks, but today there were plenty of cars parked (which I guess would mean they are further than 2km out), and people on a picnic and playing football.

..most were social distancing at least.

Where was this out of interest?

fritzelly · 26-04-2020 01:05AM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Is there evidence yet? If there's no evidence then they are right to highlight that, especially as some country are thinking of allowing people who have had to covid19 to move around freely. Antibody testing for covid19 is far from reliable so they are just warning that it might be foolish to assume immunity in people. They are telling people and countries to err on the side of caution which is the prudent thing to do whilst our knowledge of the virus and the immune response against it is still so incomplete. I can't fathom what the problem is. It really comes across as you having an axe to grind.

There is no evidence to say we don't have immunity - we get it for everything else so why would this particular strain be any different.
Yes it may only be for a while but that is better than nothing unless it mutates badly for which no evidence has been found.

Tony EH · 26-04-2020 01:05AM

fritzelly wrote: »

They shouldn't be tweeting unsubstantiated "findings" - they are supposed to be the authority on this type of thing being the World Health Organisation

But we all know why they tweeted it...

It doesn't matter what YOU think the WHO should or shouldn't be tweeting.

They, themselves, did NOT make any statement regarding human to human transmission as they did not have any data at the time. They had to go on what the Chinese were providing them with, like the rest of the world.

This was just two weeks after the Chinese, themselves, reported cases of pneumonia breaking out in Wuhan. They weren't even sure of what it was. They only had their first fatality on January 11th and Covid-19 was only given a name on 3 days earlier.

It was only on February 9th that China actually let the WHO into Wuhan, where they could gather their own facts and collate their own data.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 26-04-2020 01:07AM

fritzelly wrote: »

There is no evidence to say we don't have immunity - we get it for everything else so why would this particular strain be any different.
Yes it may only be for a while but that is better than nothing unless it mutates badly for which no evidence has been found.

Yeah and none that we do have immunity either. Seeing as we don't know either way, we need to assume we don't have immunity rather than we do. You can't give advice and set policy based on assumptions.

tobefrank321 · 26-04-2020 01:08AM

Tony EH wrote: »

This is a lie and you know that. They said that the Chinese had found no human to human transmission. That was on the 14th of January. Nearly a month before they were allowed into Wuhan to assess things for themselves.

Stop spreading lies. You've already been corrected about this.

I'm not going to get into this nonsense with you again.

They said there was no human to human transmission. This is a matter of record, not open to dispute. They were wrong. They were also wrong about banning travel to and from hotspots. Again not open to dispute.

They are now on their own webpage calling into question the accuracy of antibody tests, tests which are critical for front line workers for example.

Their mistakes deliberate or otherwise have cost tens of thousands of lives.

Tony EH · 26-04-2020 01:10AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

I'm not going to get into this nonsense with you again.

They said there was no human to human transmission. This is a matter of record, not open to dispute. They were wrong. They were also wrong about banning travel to and from hotspots. Again not open to dispute.

They are now on their own webpage calling into question the accuracy of antibody tests, tests which are critical for front line workers for example.

Their mistakes deliberate or otherwise have cost tens of thousands of lives.

Stop lying.

Polar101 · 26-04-2020 01:12AM

questionmark? wrote: »

Where was this out of interest?

Around Clonsilla in Dublin 15.

fritzelly · 26-04-2020 01:12AM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Yeah and none that we do have immunity either. Seeing as we don't know either way, we need to assume we don't have immunity rather than we do. You can't give advice and set policy based on assumptions.

So they shouldn't be tweeting anything or say we don't know either way instead of a one sided view

Tony EH · 26-04-2020 01:13AM

fritzelly wrote: »

So they shouldn't be tweeting anything or say we don't know either way instead of a one sided view

They are correct when they state that there is "no evidence" of something, if there is no evidence of something.

tobefrank321 · 26-04-2020 01:14AM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Yeah and none that we do have immunity either. Seeing as we don't know either way, we need to assume we don't have immunity rather than we do. You can't give advice and set policy based on assumptions.

But why given that a million people have recovered with no evidence of reinfection they base their advise on a study or studies which the authors themselves admit they cannot explain the causes of positives after recovery. The authors said there may be a number of explanations, not just reinfection.

Its jumping the gun to come to any conclusion but thats exactly what the WHO did.

ek motor · 26-04-2020 01:15AM

fritzelly wrote: »

So they shouldn't be tweeting anything or say we don't know either way instead of a one sided view

They say 'we dont know' because they do not know. They are telling it like it is.

tobefrank321 · 26-04-2020 01:15AM

Tony EH wrote: »

Stop lying.

Whatever, say hello to ignore. Not worth my time.

Tony EH · 26-04-2020 01:16AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

But why given that a million people have recovered with no evidence of reinfection they base their advise on a study or studies which the authors themselves admit they cannot explain the causes of positives after recovery. The authors said there may be a number of explanations, not just reinfection.

Its jumping the gun to come to any conclusion but thats exactly what the WHO did.

The WHO haven't come to a "conclusion". That's why they are stating that there is no EVIDENCE yet.

tobefrank321 · 26-04-2020 01:21AM

ek motor wrote: »

They say 'we dont know' because they do not know. They are telling it like it is.

They didn't say we are not sure if there is evidence or no evidence for immunity.

They ignored any evidence for immunity.

They ignore 1 million cured in favour of a small study or studies where even the authors can't explain the reason for the results.

If a new drug was discovered in the morning that cured 99% of covid 19 patients, would you argue there's no evidence for a cure? Of course.

Tony EH · 26-04-2020 01:22AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Whatever, say hello to ignore. Not worth my time.

"Whatever" yourself.

If you get some sort of perverse kick out of spreading deliberate lies on the internet, then have at it. You'll only end up looking foolish.

The fact of the matter is that the World Health Organisation tweeted that the Chinese, in their PRELIMINARY (you know what this means I presume) tests had found no EVIDENCE of human to human transmission.

A tweet, by the way, that probably had a zero net effect on Covid-19.

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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