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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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  • #1802
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,228 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Common sense seems to be in short supply going by the attitude of several posters on this forum lately.

    You have no common sense.

    I have posted several articles show that staying inside is counter productive and you ignore them all.
    You think common sense is following unproven dictats from our dear leaders.

    Common sense is actually doing your own research, independently thinking about the value of 'rules' and making your own informed decisions on the basis of all that.

    Rather than having common sense, you prefer to be told what to do and then tell everyone that they must do the same.
    That's not common sense at all.


  • #1803
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    They are complete idiots acting in total denial of the issue

    I agree totally with your opinion here. Complete idiots that are in denial of the fact we have lowered the RO sufficiently and also successfully prevented the ICU being swamped with patients. So there is now an issue with care homes that cant be helped from the outside. And only the idiots think restrictions are necessary to fight the care home issue


  • #1804
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    GT89 wrote: »
    I'd settle with 50km. It would stop people going from Dublin to far flung places like Donegal or Kerry but would allow people to pursue most outdoor leisure activities like golf, fishing, hill walking etc. or visit some family members.

    Well if I went from Dublin 50km away and spread it around there, those people could go another 50km etc etc etc and before you know it I've spread it to Kerry!
    So it's a tricky one alright.
    My mother texted me all excited saying they'll be allowed out for walks from 2nd May, down in Spain. So if you think we have it bad!


  • #1805
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Depends on the business really and where they stand in the essential and non essential list.

    Last I heard from my office last week was middle of June all going well. That would be 3 months working from home.

    Not necessarily

    Where I work we are a MNC and would spend 60+% of our day every day on conference calls with colleagues around the world

    We all used work from hmm one one or two days a week and now the office here in shut and we are all working from home

    Going back to the office anytime soon even June has no discernible benefits and I know a few other companies who are the same

    Either the Irish Times or Indo, probably the Times had an article where an employers representative said some MNCs are planning to wfh until the end of the year


  • #1806
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    normanoffside wrote: »
    You have no common sense.

    I have posted several articles show that staying inside is counter productive and you ignore them all.
    You think common sense is following unproven dictats from our dear leaders.

    Common sense is actually doing your own research, independently thinking about the value of 'rules' and making your own informed decisions on the basis of all that.

    Rather than having common sense, you prefer to be told what to do and then tell everyone that they must do the same.
    That's not common sense at all.

    Also he thinks being spied on by apple and other tech companies is okay and you'd only not be ok with it if you've 'something to hide' . Oh also he repeatedly insults people's mother's too. He's either a troll or utterly deranged.


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  • #1807
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,228 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    alwald wrote: »
    You waffle quite a lot and yet you have no skills...the fact is if you were skilled in anything linked to C-19 then you won't be here waffling around pretending that you know everything.

    That's a load of waffle.


  • #1808
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Because the approach of lets wait and see while the Exchequer is hemoraging and sending us into the 1930s. If the RO was still at 5 or if the ICU was overran the restrictions are justified.
    What will the following 3 weeks of restrictions achieve?

    Complete head in the sands approach seems to be the only "solution" on offer from the Lockdown brigade- wait and see what's happening elsewhere is about as sophisticated it gets.
    "Ah sure extend it another few weeks" (no explanation as to why or where the figure's being plucked from...or anything about the further cuts to our GDP and billions piled onto the National Debt).


  • #1809
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,228 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    I agree totally with your opinion here. Complete idiots that are in denial of the fact we have lowered the RO sufficiently and also successfully prevented the ICU being swamped with patients. So there is now an issue with care homes that cant be helped from the outside. And only the idiots think restrictions are necessary to fight the care home issue

    ICU Covid patients are at 118 today.
    The lowest number in over a month and it's dropping every day (from a high of 164 IIRC).
    We were told that social restrictions were brought in to stop ICU being swamped.
    It has worked.
    It's not unreasonable to expect a relaxation of restrictions as a result.


  • #1810
    alwald
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭alwald


    normanoffside wrote: »
    That's a load of waffle.

    All your posts are a load of waffle...you pretend that you know everything and yet all you do is type from a keyboard all day long...those who do research/studies on the virus aren't on this forum and you aren't one of them...it's time for you to get back to reality :pac:


  • #1811
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Well if I went from Dublin 50km away and spread it around there, those people could go another 50km etc etc etc and before you know it I've spread it to Kerry!
    So it's a tricky one alright.
    My mother texted me all excited saying they'll be allowed out for walks from 2nd May, down in Spain. So if you think we have it bad!

    Travel restrictions should be lifted entirely on the 5th. The advice should be to continue social distancing and just travel for essential reasons or to visit family. Need to stop treating people like children and punishing 99% for the actions of the 1%.


    Tourist spots or places where people can congregate will and probably should remain off limits for another while.


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  • #1812
    almostover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭almostover


    normanoffside wrote: »
    ICU Covid patients are at 118 today.
    The lowest number in over a month and it's dropping every day (from a high of 164 IIRC).
    We were told that social restrictions were brought in to stop ICU being swamped.
    It has worked.
    It's not unreasonable to expect a relaxation of restrictions as a result.

    Agree 100% and I hope that is the case. I also hope we stick the current restrictions out until the 5th and make the most out of holding the spread of the virus. Then we can begin to reintroduce some normality. Important now that we stick it out for the last 9-10 days so that we can reap the benfitscome May 5th.


  • #1813
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    robbiezero wrote: »
    Travel restrictions should be lifted entirely on the 5th. The advice should be to continue social distancing and just travel for essential reasons or to visit family. Need to stop treating people like children and punishing 99% for the actions of the 1%.


    Tourist spots or places where people can congregate will and probably should remain off limits for another while.

    You would get people living in Dublin going home to different places all over Ireland to visit parents etc. That's the worry. I suppose if everyone did practice social distancing properly it'd be ok, but they won't. Hopefully the numbers are a lot lower by the 5th and they can be lifted though.


  • #1814
    Dickie10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,067 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    i just dont see whats wrong with a wait and see approach , for another 2- 3 weeks then we will know whats happening with denmark and other countries . im mad for pubs to reopen the same as anyone. i would like to try restauraunts and cafes first see how they can do social distancing by keepin people at tables and only admitting enough for the tables they have , i would gladly while away a few hours getting some food and having a few drinks in that environment even at a table on my own. i think it would be a good way to test waters for pubs. they could use the same idea. you would only be allowed drink at your table, kind of cafe style drinking. this could easily work and see how it goes for a month or two


  • #1815
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,228 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    titan18 wrote: »
    Common sense says the more people asymptomatic carriers are in contact with, the more cases we have and thus more cases having go into hospitals. If someone is only around 2 people now and is around 20 after we ease, that's obviously a lot more with it.

    That would thus put a higher load on hospitals which will then mean those with other illnesses are less likely to get the treatment they need.

    Common sense is not so common.
    here's an article/study for you.
    Asymptomatic people don't actually pass on the virus.

    https://www.inverse.com/science/covid-19-asymptomatic
    Some studies have indicated people with COVID-19 tend to have a high viral load just before and shortly after they start getting symptoms.

    This suggests they can transmit it when they first get sick and up to 48 hours before, while they’re pre-symptomatic.

    However, there is no good evidence that asymptomatic people who never develop symptoms are able to pass it on.


  • #1816
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Because the approach of lets wait and see while the Exchequer is hemoraging and sending us into the 1930s. If the RO was still at 5 or if the ICU was overran the restrictions are justified.
    What will the following 3 weeks of restrictions achieve?

    Hmm....i personally think its wise anyway to see issues that arise elsewhere,so we can get ahead of em


    Screaming 1930s over and over deosnt enhance your point very much,the rest of world is facing same situation


  • #1817
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,228 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    alwald wrote: »
    All your posts are a load of waffle...you pretend that you know everything and yet all you do is type from a keyboard all day long...those who do research/studies on the virus aren't on this forum and you aren't one of them...it's time for you to get back to reality :pac:

    I don't remember you or any other lockdown merchants posting any link to an article or study to back up your points.
    I.E. waffle talkers.


  • #1818
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    You would get people living in Dublin going home to different places all over Ireland to visit parents etc. That's the worry. I suppose if everyone did practice social distancing properly it'd be ok, but they won't. Hopefully the numbers are a lot lower by the 5th and they can be lifted though.

    I'd imagine the vast majority of the people would be sensible if it was communicated effectively and in a manner of people advising their peers rather than berating children and with concrete plans for further lifting of restrictions if all ok.
    There are already pods of neighbors and family that live within the 2km isolating together so it would be similar to this just with greater distance. This would give a huge boost to a lot of people.


  • #1819
    alwald
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭alwald


    normanoffside wrote: »
    I don't remember you or any other lockdown merchants posting any link to an article or study to back up your points.
    I.E. waffle talkers.

    What points did I make? Quote something from me instead of waffling around as usual.


  • #1820
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Common sense is not so common.
    here's an article/study for you.
    Asymptomatic people don't actually pass on the virus.

    https://www.inverse.com/science/covid-19-asymptomatic


    Are you attempting to refute asymptomatic transmission ?


  • #1821
    Charlie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,817 ✭✭✭Charlie


    **** me the arrogance and selfishness on display in this thread is galling.

    I can only hope that any of the posters taking petty digs at the CMO and screeching to be able to go out and swan about as they see fit don’t end up with this virus on their doorstep, because if they saw how ruthless this thing is, they’d buck up and stop making shows of themselves.


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  • #1822
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Hmm....i personally think its wise anyway to see issues that arise elsewhere,so we can get ahead of em


    Screaming 1930s over and over deosnt enhance your point very much,the rest of world is facing same situation

    Leaving aside the movement restrictions. Spain no longer has the restrictive work policies we implemented. We have followed all the restrictive policies seen implemented accross the globe, and have now followed a insightful plan known as wait and see


  • #1823
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    i just dont see whats wrong with a wait and see approach , for another 2- 3 weeks then we will know whats happening with denmark and other countries . im mad for pubs to reopen the same as anyone. i would like to try restauraunts and cafes first see how they can do social distancing by keepin people at tables and only admitting enough for the tables they have , i would gladly while away a few hours getting some food and having a few drinks in that environment even at a table on my own. i think it would be a good way to test waters for pubs. they could use the same idea. you would only be allowed drink at your table, kind of cafe style drinking. this could easily work and see how it goes for a month or two

    What might be workable in cafes and restaurants doesn`t mean it would apply to pubs.
    Even if people intend to observe the regulations after a slap of a few pints their judgement will tend to slip and what is to stop them from just ignoring the restrictions then?


  • #1824
    scamalert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭scamalert


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Also he thinks being spied on by apple and other tech companies is okay and you'd only not be ok with it if you've 'something to hide' . Oh also he repeatedly insults people's mother's too. He's either a troll or utterly deranged.
    as far as spying goes people dont care, have you ever read T&Cs for any software, theres like thousands pages of crap that people scroll to bottom and press next, then crack the software and free license :D


    jokes aside most companies have some crap put in where people wont bother reading about allowing to use their location even if its trough third party software, or store their info on social media for life and will accept it willingly, and cell phones ping towers all the time, but Ireland as far as tracing each cell phone is decades behind to likes of S.K or Japan. So theres f all to worry about.


    as far as Cork Dweller goes, Boy seems seriously be sick in his head or just trolling, either way sad human being - best ignored, as its most likely most happiness hes had in his life.


  • #1825
    alwald
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭alwald


    ek motor wrote: »
    Are you attempting to refute asymptomatic transmission ?

    That poster will attempt anything to suit his own agenda...he reads 2 articles everyday and believe their content blindly :pac:.

    Some people here are angry about the current "lockdown", which I can understand as it's hard on some, but at least they don't use stupid/unjustified articles to justify their agenda.

    That particular poster is always offside :D.


  • #1826
    SNNUS
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 787 ✭✭✭SNNUS


    It's like the journal.ie comments, 2 months ago, lockdown now ffs, today after still a decline in cases and improvements, stricter lockdown ffs! The lack of reading past the headlines or thinking that this virus will dissapear the longer we do this is insane but this is the views of many who do no research beyond government headlines.

    Normal ain't happening any time soon, no one is asking for that, common sense and social distancing is the norm now and will be for a long time to come.

    I live on my own and cannot meet friends or have any contact with anyone which is affecting me mentally.

    Simon Harris stated at the start of this that you cannot lock people down for extended periods of time as people will crack and get complacent, but now the rhetoric has changed to behave yourself or 3 more weeks of detention.


  • #1827
    lord quackinton
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 352 ✭✭lord quackinton


    If I was in charge I would end all restrictions tomorrow
    Pubs to open immediately and first 5 rounds are on Leo And his government for being a bunch of nanny staters
    Gaa is second most important on things to get going
    Tipp have a great chance of 2 in a row and we deserve it for being an all round sound and modest bunch
    Also churches have to open
    I have a baby to Christian


  • #1828
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,228 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    ek motor wrote: »
    Are you attempting to refute asymptomatic transmission ?

    Yes, not only in the case of Asymptomatic transmission, here is the case of a kid who didn't pass the virus on to more the 170 contacts despite having some symptoms
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/21/boy-with-covid-19-did-not-transmit-disease-to-more-than-170-contacts

    Again I have published articles/studies to back up my points which you and your buddies have failed to do.


  • #1829
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    lord quackinton wrote: »
    If I was in charge I would end all restrictions tomorrow
    Pubs to open immediately and first 5 rounds are on Leo And his government for being a bunch of nanny staters
    Gaa is second most important on things to get going
    Tipp have a great chance of 2 in a row and we deserve it for being an all round sound and modest bunch
    Also churches have to open
    I have a baby to Christian

    Had a few shandies ?


  • #1830
    alwald
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭alwald


    lord quackinton wrote: »
    If I was in charge

    Yeah but you aren't...come back to reality after those heaped pints coors bottles :pac:


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  • #1831
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Mick McGraw wrote: »
    Any idea when people who can work from home will be allowed to go back to the office.

    If companies are able to operate with staff working from home will they be stopped for a long while from going back to normal working arrangements or as soon as shops start to open can they just go back to normal aswell.

    Hard to know when they will be actually allowed, probably within the next few months, but when offices will actually decide themselves to go back might be a different story.
    A lot of places particularly in IT are probably working fine with no one in the offices at the moment, I know my company is with virtually no impact on productivity, so I would see very little point in us going back to having a full office and employees using public transport etc, when there is very little need for them to do so. I wouldn't be surprised if we were WFH until some time next year.
    Personally it will be quite a while before I go back to the office full time regardless of when they open it (I use public transport to get to/from).


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