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Today I saw a car for sale thread - part 2

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    #2702
    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
    Registered Users Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    1123heavy wrote: »
    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-5-series-520d-f10-m-sport-184bhp-2014/24507695

    Thoughts?

    Been considering a 520 for sometime now, I think this is a decent price. I'd be spending a bit more to get black alloys is all.

    Only snag could be timing belt? It doesn't mention it has been changed and car is on 120k

    It’s a manual.

    Just no.


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    #2703
    dodzy
    Registered Users Posts: 9,954 ✭✭✭dodzy


    SummerK wrote: »
    What is average life of timing chain and what would be cost of replacing timing chain and EGR cooler? Would cost be similar for 3L Diesel engine?

    I’m in one at the minute. 110k miles. Auto. I’d never look at a manual car again. The auto box is superb. If you can get that one with the pronav and xenons at a good price, I’d opt for that one. As bazz said, circa 1200€ for a chain job. Reports indicate that in many cases, there will be tell-tale sounds of impending doom (bulkhead chain rattle) but not in all cases unfortunately. Obviously, if you’re unfortunate, it’ll cost more than double that price to put right. My guy does them; €2750 on a recent job.
    That said, they’re a great drive. The 184bhp is plenty around these parts too IMO although if you wanted to bump that to 230ish, you can, for approx €350. Having spent over 12mths in it, I would not let the potential chain issue put me off. Very easy car to DIY service; do brakes on etc. too.


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    #2704
    kalkat2002
    Registered Users Posts: 717 ✭✭✭kalkat2002


    http://www.adverts.ie/20192817

    Few of these problematic ones still on good nick


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    #2705
    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
    Registered Users Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    kalkat2002 wrote: »
    http://www.adverts.ie/20192817

    Few of these problematic ones still on good nick

    I always loved them but I’d never buy one, I’d always be afraid to put the boot down thinking the engine could shït itself at any point.


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    #2706
    kalkat2002
    Registered Users Posts: 717 ✭✭✭kalkat2002


    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    I always loved them but I’d never buy one, I’d always be afraid to put the boot down thinking the engine could shït itself at any point.

    If you get it for 1k and dry storage it maybe in few years is a good inversion


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    #2707
    millington
    Registered Users Posts: 1,287 ✭✭✭millington


    1123heavy wrote: »
    Cheers for that, my non auto head just wouldn't spot these things. All noted

    RE the manual drive not much of a consideration for me, i'd drive either.

    I'm trying to find a white one then fit the black alloys onto it, it's a look i really like

    Buy a manual one if you want to keep it for the rest of your life, because nobody else will ever want it


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    #2708
    at9qu5vp0wcix7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 738 ✭✭✭at9qu5vp0wcix7


    1123heavy wrote: »
    Cheers for that, my non auto head just wouldn't spot these things. All noted

    RE the manual drive not much of a consideration for me, i'd drive either.

    I'm trying to find a white one then fit the black alloys onto it, it's a look i really like

    Agreed on the black alloys - combined with a black kidney grill it really improves the look. Just don't go mad with those "M Performance" plastic splitters, skirts and spoilers that have ruined so many BMW's in Ireland.

    The auto box is beautiful, faster, lower CO2 emissions, and better fuel consumption (8 speed vs 6 speed). In sport mode, it just knows where the power is and keeps you in the right rev range. Outside of sport mode, it rarely hesitates to kick down if you put your foot down to overtake.


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    #2709
    1123heavy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭1123heavy


    Victor Shy Child wrote: »
    Agreed on the black alloys - combined with a black kidney grill it really improves the look. Just don't go mad with those "M Performance" plastic splitters, skirts and spoilers that have ruined so many BMW's in Ireland.

    The auto box is beautiful, faster, lower CO2 emissions, and better fuel consumption (8 speed vs 6 speed). In sport mode, it just knows where the power is and keeps you in the right rev range. Outside of sport mode, it rarely hesitates to kick down if you put your foot down to overtake.

    True I suppose. One thing I think I see with these cars from searching is that they depreciate somewhat controlled up till around the 10 year mark then the price nosedives. Some early last decade ones are around 12k then those from just before the decade are down around 6k even ... looks like you'll be saying goodbye to most of your money on one


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    #2710
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users Posts: 73,427 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    1123heavy wrote: »
    True I suppose. One thing I think I see with these cars from searching is that they depreciate somewhat controlled up till around the 10 year mark then the price nosedives. Some early last decade ones are around 12k then those from just before the decade are down around 6k even ... looks like you'll be saying goodbye to most of your money on one

    From what I can see, the depreciation is sharp on them all the way through.

    You have a model change from e60, which probably accounts for a lot of what you’re saying about 10 years.


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    #2711
    26000 Elephants
    Registered Users Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭26000 Elephants


    1123heavy wrote: »
    True I suppose. One thing I think I see with these cars from searching is that they depreciate somewhat controlled up till around the 10 year mark then the price nosedives. Some early last decade ones are around 12k then those from just before the decade are down around 6k even ... looks like you'll be saying goodbye to most of your money on one

    10 years is often a cliff point in depreciation, with some exceptions. Add a major revision to the 5ers that coincides roughly with that point and it's worse (E60 - > F10)

    Running a car from year 6 to year 10 can be costly if you overpay at the start. You can sometimes get better value running from year 4 to year 7, especially with high milers where you average out the mileage with your usage.


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    #2712
    darragh o meara
    Registered Users Posts: 3,224 ✭✭✭darragh o meara


    bazz26 wrote: »
    Who buys a manual 5 Series these days? The autos are so much better and more suited to cars in that class. It's also a fairly basic spec M Sport, this one has similar mileage for the same money but it's auto and has the wider pro nav screen:
    https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2537815&r=s.php%3Fm%3D10%26o%3D87%26r%3D2014%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0

    BTW they have a timing chain rather than a belt and on that engine they are common enough to stretch or snap. At that mileage I'd be budgeting to replace it or buy one that has already had it replaced. There is also a recall on the EGR cooler to be replaced.


    The timing chain was really only a problem up til the end of 2012, a 2014 car should be fine although there has been one or two give hassle but nothing near the scale of pre 2012 ( Got this info from a head BMW MD mechanic ). The EGR valve was done under warranty on most of them so that's one less expensive thing to worry about. The Auto Msport+ with the 19" wheels and widescreen Nav is the one to get, I drove a few manuals and didnt think they drove as well. Change the oil every 8-9k miles ( BMW say its fine for a lot more but any mechanic I know will tell you oil is not meant for that mileage ) and it should last you a long time.

    Great car and have one myself over 2 years. Haven't had any issues with mine apart from an airbag needing replacement in the rear suspension.


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    #2713
    bazz26
    Registered Users Posts: 51,179 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    2017 330e M Sport for 20k:

    d43864c90df075c94489ddbe4ca5ffe977a610d9c30d57c8e8cd74b2983a586e.jpg

    https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2487088&r=s.php%3Fm%5B%5D%3D10%26o%5B%5D%3D86%26f%3D3%26yn%3D2016%26yx%3D2018%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0

    Mileage is a bit high for the year but not outrageous. Also as 3 Series go it's got a very decent spec, with the M Sport Plus pack, Widescreen Pro Nav, Harman/Kardon loud speaker system, heated front seats with electric memory setting...


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    #2714
    Mickiemcfist
    Registered Users Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭Mickiemcfist


    Very good price for that to be fair, but my god I've just never been able to reconcile that interior with the fact that it's in a BMW, something about the vents in the dash bring me back to my grandaunts 2002 Renault Clio. It just doesn't look a premium interior.


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    #2715
    kalkat2002
    Registered Users Posts: 717 ✭✭✭kalkat2002


    This megane looks like a genuine one if price open to negotiation

    http://www.adverts.ie/20199619


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    #2716
    bazz26
    Registered Users Posts: 51,179 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Good luck finding a manual hybrid.


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    #2717
    Duke O Smiley
    Registered Users Posts: 12,074 ✭✭✭✭Duke O Smiley


    Didn’t Hunky Monster on here have one and it was awful heavy on fuel. Maybe I have it wrong but I don’t remember him having a particularly high opinion of it.

    Still a nice looking package for 20k though


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    #2718
    maddness
    Registered Users Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭maddness


    Duke O Smiley wrote: »
    Didn’t Hunky Monster on here have one and it was awful heavy on fuel. Maybe I have it wrong but I don’t remember him having a particularly high opinion of it.

    Still a nice looking package for 20k though

    That’s why they are so cheap. You can pick up a G30 5 series hybrid now very cheaply compared to a 520d too.


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    #2719
    26000 Elephants
    Registered Users Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭26000 Elephants


    Duke O Smiley wrote: »
    Didn’t Hunky Monster on here have one and it was awful heavy on fuel. Maybe I have it wrong but I don’t remember him having a particularly high opinion of it.

    Still a nice looking package for 20k though

    Those 'hybrids' will end up being the new 'dieselgate' in a few years. Complete scam. Look at the official co2 of the car, and then look at it's real world mpg. No relationship whatsoever.

    Its little more than an energy recovery system to increase the apparent power of the car. Which, let's face it, the majority of higher functioning humans will use.

    At least the bmw can be plugged in - the wretched Tpyotas wont even let you do that!


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    #2720
    User1998
    Registered Users Posts: 6,105 ✭✭✭User1998


    Agree that the Toyota advertisements are a scam, they have been banned already in several countries, but plug in hybrids like the BMW are not a scam. There very useful and its easy to get very good economy from them while having decent power when you need it


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    #2721
    bazz26
    Registered Users Posts: 51,179 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    The 330e/530e is never going to get you comparable diesel mpg if doing big mileage suited to a diesel. For motorway driving your going to get typical 2.0 litre turbo petrol fuel economy plus your carrying around the weight of the batteries in the boot so a 320d/520d will trump it there. They are good though for those who bought a 320d/520d who really had no business being in one. Around town they will run on electric only up to 25 - 30 miles along with the near silent refinement of no diesel clatter. Cheap imports and a VRT rebate kills resale values of them here which is good if your buying. However long term the technology is still relatively new and unknown so potentially still alot to go wrong which can be expensive with any premium car.


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    #2722
    26000 Elephants
    Registered Users Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭26000 Elephants


    bazz26 wrote: »
    your going to get typical 2.0 litre turbo petrol fuel economy plus your carrying around the weight of the batteries in the boot

    Yeah, that's my point. Its putting out that much co2, it should be rated at that. 49g? That's just having a laugh.
    They need to be honest about it. Proper EV's should get better tax breaks at the expense of these pretend ones.

    Edit: just to be clear, I'd have one in an instant - I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of it!


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    #2723
    SummerK
    Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭SummerK


    True. 330e would suit some one doing more short trips than long one’s provided they have charging facility at home or work.

    At 140,000km could there be additional work involved like timing chain, suspension etc. I guess that 330e got adaptive suspension else ride would be stiff on 19inch wheels.


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    #2724
    SummerK
    Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭SummerK


    Just saw a 2017 Jaguar XF Manual for under 17k.
    I would suggest doing a history check as it could be UK import.

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/jaguar-xf-jaguar-my-16-2-0d-rwd-prestige-4dr-2017/24673787


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    #2725
    This is it
    Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭This is it


    SummerK wrote: »
    Just saw a 2017 Jaguar XF Manual for under 17k.
    I would suggest doing a history check as it could be UK import.

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/jaguar-xf-jaguar-my-16-2-0d-rwd-prestige-4dr-2017/24673787

    Similar was posted around here last week, could be the same one. I think it was an Indy garage in Blanch selling at the time


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    #2726
    Duke O Smiley
    Registered Users Posts: 12,074 ✭✭✭✭Duke O Smiley


    SummerK wrote: »
    Just saw a 2017 Jaguar XF Manual for under 17k.
    I would suggest doing a history check as it could be UK import.

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/jaguar-xf-jaguar-my-16-2-0d-rwd-prestige-4dr-2017/24673787

    Buíochas le Dia! That is cheap. I wonder what might be wrong with it? Personally I think anyone in the market would be better off Focusing on slightly more expensive examples. Anything that is cheap is cheap for a reason


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    #2727
    bazz26
    Registered Users Posts: 51,179 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Panel gap between the wing and bonnet on the passenger side looks large.

    That exact car was for sale by a dealer for the same money recently, I posted a link to it somewhere here at the time.

    Edit: Here it is:
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113161295&postcount=2621


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    #2728
    kalkat2002
    Registered Users Posts: 717 ✭✭✭kalkat2002


    This opel astra 14 does look cheap?
    Asking 3.5 k
    http://www.adverts.ie/20209726


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    #2729
    L-M
    Registered Users Posts: 23,694 ✭✭✭✭L-M


    bazz26 wrote: »
    Panel gap between the wing and bonnet on the passenger side looks large.

    That exact car was for sale by a dealer for the same money recently, I posted a link to it somewhere here at the time.

    Edit: Here it is:
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113161295&postcount=2621

    It’s an Irish car anyway, patting myself on the back here for spotting the KM clocks in the original ad.

    Sadly has a condition alert against it though. Which is why it’s so cheap


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    #2730
    User1998
    Registered Users Posts: 6,105 ✭✭✭User1998


    How are getting condition alerts without doing history checks? Twice now I’ve seen you do it


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    #2731
    L-M
    Registered Users Posts: 23,694 ✭✭✭✭L-M


    User1998 wrote: »
    How are getting condition alerts without doing history checks? Twice now I’ve seen you do it

    I am doing history checks.


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