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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • #4472
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Interesting, that vitamin D thing.

    Might be at least partially the cause behind BAME people being disproportionately affected, although other factors might be behind this too. Lot of BAME people working on the front line on the NHS in UK.

    I might go back to taking my 25mcg.
    Henry said "No evidence" in relation to this virus but they were happy to encourage people to take Vitamin D supplements anyway.


  • #4473
    PixieValentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭PixieValentine


    ThomasFlynn wrote: »
    The USA is 66 times bigger than Ireland. Statistically its doing better than Ireland on a population basis.

    Deaths per million people
    Ireland 205
    USA 157

    Amazes me during this pandemic how bad some people are at Maths, can't interpret data properly, can't read graphs etc. Comparing the US to individual European countries as if its a fair comparison, the USA (330 million) is closer the entire schengen population (420 million) that it is to any European country.


    I read an article yesterday though, saying that only 28 or so states had provided information about nursing home deaths there. (I might be off with 28. It was 20-something though.) The rest had not, and the piece said there were likely many, many more deaths not counted. If that’s true, then we definitely don’t have a totally clear picture of the deaths in America yet.


  • #4474
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    silverharp wrote: »
    Vit D looking positive

    https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1254006430203555840

    While that's great news, I don't get it. Surely in Spain and Italy they are two countries that are saturated in sunlight and high levels of vit d?

    (And I agree with taking vit d, won't hurt and we get so little sunlight in this country we need it)


  • #4475
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Interesting, that vitamin D thing.

    Might be at least partially the cause behind BAME people being disproportionately affected, although other factors might be behind this too. Lot of BAME people working on the front line on the NHS in UK.

    I might go back to taking my 25mcg.

    Probably older people have more issues making vit D , but everyone has their natural range, so best be at the top of it. According to my App, today is the first day for Ireland where you can get your allowance from 30min in the Sun.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #4476
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    While that's great news, I don't get it. Surely in Spain and Italy they are two countries that are saturated in sunlight and high levels of vit d?

    (And I agree with taking vit d, won't hurt and we get so little sunlight in this country we need it)

    Not in the winter, the Sun has to be above 50 degrees for the right wavelength to get through the atmosphere. Winter European Sun wouldnt do it.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • #4477
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    silverharp wrote: »
    Vit D looking positive

    https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1254006430203555840

    Been taking VIT D since February. My understanding is that it helps make your immune system as strong as it can be. I’d seen reports (from Dr John segments) that you are statistically more susceptible to virus if you have VITD deficiency.

    My understanding is all layman stuff to be fair and I’m sure a more informed person might correct me. I’ve been very lucky to be following this for so long and finding the likes of Dr John and Medcram on YouTube that have proven to be very accurate and helpful resources.


  • #4478
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    silverharp wrote: »
    Probably older people have more issues making vit D , but everyone has their natural range, so best be at the top of it. According to my App, today is the first day for Ireland where you can get your allowance from 30min in the Sun.

    Supposedly people with darker skin are particularly prone to having VIT D deficiency issues in closer climates as their skin needs more sun .


  • #4479
    Ineedaname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 369 ✭✭Ineedaname


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    The WHO has again repeated it's warning to governments that there is no evidence patients who have had the disease are immune

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/coronavirus-no-evidence-that-recovered-patients-are-immune-says-who-1.4238216?mode=amp

    Meanwhile the US recorded record number of new cases in one day yesterday at just over 38,000. The death toll dropped back a little to 1,998.

    That's not what they said the first time and it's not what they said this time either. What they were talking about is the use of testing for antibodies to determine immunity. They're warning against the notion of immunity passports or certificates.

    If you recover from an infection you have immunity. This has always been the way and there's no evidence to suggest otherwise.

    The million dollar question though is how long does that immunity last? Could be for life or it could be only weeks. Does it depend on the level of infection? We just don't know and basing any plan around it is very dangerous. The WHO are quite rightly warning against it.


  • #4480
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,249 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    khalessi wrote: »
    Can buy them online and they come into Aldi and Lidl when they sell the bp cuffs etc. Handy yoke to have. Interesting reading the med professions disbelieve at some of the oxygen levels, so low the person should be on a vent but they are sitting talking to the doctor, it is an interesting anomaly alright.

    Where online and what price?
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #4481
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,974 ✭✭✭political analyst


    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0425/1134732-holohan-coronavirus-restrictions-compliance/
    Dr Tony Holohan said compliance with the restrictions over the next ten days is critical to the control of the coronavirus.

    He said the sense of concern among his team has been growing over the past week as evidence of some slackening of adherence to social restrictions materialised.

    He said the situation remained that he would not currently recommend the restrictions be relaxed given the behaviour of the disease.

    What evidence?


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  • #4482
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    While that's great news, I don't get it. Surely in Spain and Italy they are two countries that are saturated in sunlight and high levels of vit d?

    (And I agree with taking vit d, won't hurt and we get so little sunlight in this country we need it)

    Vitamin D is lower in older people. They need to supplement to hot optimum levels


  • #4483
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    For those anxious about people being anywhere near fresh air the forecast for the week is good! Cold and wet!

    https://www.met.ie/forecasts/national-forecast


  • #4484
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,231 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog



    They're warning against the notion of immunity passports or certificates.

    By extension...

    You could have antibodies for only an as yet undefined period of time. Even if you do it might not mean immunity anyway.

    What the WHO says today on this is pretty clear though and they are clearly concerned are using antibody tests as a form of reassurance ahead of conclusions
    There is currently no evidence that people who have recovered from Covid-19 and have antibodies are protected from a second infection


  • #4485
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    silverharp wrote: »
    Vit D looking positive

    https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1254006430203555840




    Campell has done a few videos on victim D.He has been recommending it from very early on. His views are all based on evidence based studies. They are very compelling.

    He says that darker skinned people may suffer from Vit D deficiency particularly Muslim women.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCSXNGc7pfs


  • #4486
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,974 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Surely, the health service can save the lives of ill people whose lives could be saved.

    Which of the following two is more likely to die?

    . A person with cancer awaiting life-saving surgery that has been postponed

    . A young person with Covid-19 but no serious underlying health problems


  • #4487
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,480 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Henry said "No evidence" in relation to this virus but they were happy to encourage people to take Vitamin D supplements anyway.

    It's a good idea anyway.

    They so no evidence about lots of things, but I guess if there's no research, there's no evidence.


  • #4488
    questionmark?
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,083 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    political analyst wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0425/1134732-holohan-coronavirus-restrictions-compliance/



    What evidence?

    Maybe Google it! They have provided stats to back up the claim.

    Seismic activity has increased which indicates increased human activity.
    Info from tracking phones
    Stats on Dublin Bus usage
    Etc.


  • #4489
    Ineedaname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 369 ✭✭Ineedaname


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    By extension...

    You could have antibodies for only an as yet undefined period of time. Even if you do it might not mean immunity anyway.

    What the WHO says today on this is pretty clear though and they are clearly concerned are using antibody tests as a form of reassurance ahead of conclusions

    That's true. But there's a difference between saying that and saying there's no evidence of immunity.


  • #4490
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    It's a good idea anyway.

    They so no evidence about lots of things, but I guess if there's no research, there's no evidence.
    Agreed. Supermilk is in the trolley every week!


  • #4491
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,231 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Denmark, who opened up a little over the last couple of weeks, reports 235 new cases.

    While low enough that is the most new daily cases in over two weeks. With 15 deaths that is also the most in a week and a half.

    Be interesting to see their trajectory over the next week and I'm sure our govt will be watching keenly.


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  • #4492
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    Roger_007 wrote:
    One thing I’m finding very strange about this virus is why it is proving so difficult to develop a reliable antibody test. This should, in theory, be relatively easy or certainly much easier than finding a vaccine. A virtually bulletproof antibody test is a prerequisite for developing a vaccine.
    The development of accurate diagnostic testing takes time. It is not easy or straightforward. Especially for a previously unknown virus.

    There have been many comments, not only here, suggesting that tests should be quick, available to evryone, easy to use, easy to acquire, cheap to buy etc.
    Any test claiming to be any of these will be unreliable moneymaking scam.

    Antibody tests will try to measure the amount of IgG produced in response to being exposed to SARS CoV 2.

    Some barriers to developing an accurate test would include, but not limited to:
    - False positivity to the presence of other Coronavirus
    - Interference from any medication the patient is on
    - Interference from medication from patients with autoimmune conditions
    - False negativity from those on immunosuppressants
    - Blood sample interferences from haemolysis, lipaemia, icterus (how red, cloudy or jaundiced the blood sample is)
    - False reactivity from Biotin (a vitamin that patients may be taking or may be in cosmetics) This reacts will a lot of immunoassays.

    The test will give you a numerical result, but then how do you interpret it.

    Then there had to be a value set as to what will be considered a negative or positive result.
    What will be the titre that determines the clinical significance of the result.
    >100mmol/l, >500mmol/l, >1000mmol/l??

    There are so many elements to developing a reliable assay. It is anything but easy.


  • #4493
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,435 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Denmark, who opened up a little over the last couple of weeks, reports 235 new cases.

    While low enough that is the most new daily cases in over two weeks. With 15 deaths that is also the most in a week and a half.

    Be interesting to see their trajectory over the next week and I'm sure our govt will be watching keenly.

    Of most interest to the Danes would be where and how these new cases are popping up. If it's 'not' in the schools and workplace, they might have a green light : if it is, they have a problem.


  • #4494
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    People can shed the virus before showing symptoms... Can the virus be doing damage inside the body before symptoms even show up?

    I've ordered a pulse oximeter, should I be taking a reading regularly before getting sick just in case?


  • #4495
    Andrew00
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,484 ✭✭✭Andrew00


    I'm working in a shop and it's the busiest Saturday in 2 years even the manager said it


  • #4496
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,249 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    People can shed the virus before showing symptoms... Can the virus be doing damage inside the body before symptoms even show up?

    I've ordered a pulse oximeter, should I be taking a reading regularly before getting sick just in case?

    You should take it a few times at different times of the day to get your baseline reading
    Then make a note of the baseline and if you get sick then check if the reading is lower than your baseline
    If you are well it should be 100% , maybe a little lower if you are a smoker or have asthma. But a healthy person should be at least above 96% and ideally 100%


  • #4497
    DevilsHaircut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DevilsHaircut


    https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1253136180394307591


  • #4498
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Andrew00 wrote: »
    I'm working in a shop and it's the busiest Saturday in 2 years even the manager said it

    I’m in my sitting watching tv and the noise of the street outside is crazy. Saw a friend post on Facebook ‘lockdown, what lockdown, it’s like a June bank holiday out there’.


  • #4499
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Andrew00 wrote: »
    I'm working in a shop and it's the busiest Saturday in 2 years even the manager said it
    Is it a newly re-opened one?

    I presume in terms of numbers in the shop at any one time it's not that busy due to social distancing?


  • #4500
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Interesting, that vitamin D thing.

    Might be at least partially the cause behind BAME people being disproportionately affected, although other factors might be behind this too. Lot of BAME people working on the front line on the NHS in UK.

    I might go back to taking my 25mcg.

    Could you please explain why BAME people would be affected more?


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  • #4501
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1254025703676354560?s=19

    118 in ICU as of last night


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