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Anyone willing to admit they're already starting to relax restrictions?

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  • #362
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Again just nonsense. I have no contact with at risk groups at all. That should have been factored in to this lockdown.

    Perhaps not directly (though I would question how you would even be able to make this assertion), but how do you know the people you come into contact with do not have contact with at risk individuals? You don't.

    Considering the mental gymnastics some people are engaging in to make special exemptions for themselves, I can imagine the added complexity of introducing liberties for the chosen few who "do not come into contact with at risk groups". :pac:


  • #363
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Antares35 wrote: »
    Perhaps not directly (though I would question how you would even be able to make this assertion), but how do you know the people you come into contact with do not have contact with at risk individuals? You don't.

    Considering the mental gymnastics some people are engaging in to make special exemptions for themselves, I can imagine the added complexity of introducing liberties for the chosen few who "do not come into contact with at risk groups". :pac:

    I social distance. Thays how i avoid contact. 2 meters.


  • #364
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Are you advocating a lockdown until the economy is totally oliterated?

    No, I am just sick and tired of people making special exceptions of themselves instead of just abiding by the restrictions for (what could have been) a relatively short time period.


  • #365
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    smelly sock wrote: »
    I social distance. Thays how i avoid contact. 2 meters.

    If that was all that was required then that's all that would have been imposed on us. Clearly, the thinking was that the restrictions should go beyond that. They aren't doing it for fun, or to get at you.


  • #366
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Antares35 wrote: »
    No, I am just sick and tired of people making special exceptions of themselves instead of just abiding by the restrictions for (what could have been) a relatively short time period.

    I did for the most part. As best i could given the circumstances. It was to long a period of time.


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  • #367
    almostover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,500 ✭✭✭almostover


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Again just nonsense. I have no contact with at risk groups at all. That should have been factored in to this lockdown.

    But the people you do contact may then be in contact with at risk groups. Do you not understand how this works?


  • #368
    almostover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,500 ✭✭✭almostover


    smelly sock wrote: »
    I did for the most part. As best i could given the circumstances. It was to long a period of time.

    You're in for a right shock if you though 5 weeks was long.....


  • #369
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    smelly sock wrote: »
    I did for the most part. As best i could given the circumstances. It was to long a period of time.

    Yeah, and I think the drink driving ban is nonsense. So, I will abide by it for a bit (A for effort) and then shure I will drink what I think is an acceptable amount before I get behind the wheel. What do they want - complete compliance? Surely partial compliance should be enough :rolleyes:


  • #370
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    almostover wrote: »
    You're in for a right shock if you though 5 weeks was long.....

    I think you are going to be disappointed when restrictions are relaxed.


  • #371
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    People are getting sick of lockdown because there is no plan anyways. Covid won’t magically disappear on 5th May. We need to learn to live with it. Cocoon the elders and get on with things.

    I stayed in for all of March and 2 weeks of April.

    Back out and about again. Obeying the rules but I’ve been out plenty. Just sick of staying in when there is no plan. If the rules aren’t relaxed, eventually they’ll be broken more and more.

    We’re here to live, not survive.


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  • #372
    SusanC10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    Can't sleep. Neighbours (same ones I mentioned earlier) now having a (loud) party in their garden. Ridiculous!


  • #373
    Del Boy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭Del Boy


    I know of a church that had people attend a Stations of the Cross in the church during lockdown.


  • #374
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    almostover wrote: »
    Did you miss all the news about Italy and Spain over the last few weeks? What rock is it that you're living under?

    The chances of you contracting maybe low but it's quite high for those working in the healthcare sector wholly end up treating selfish a**h*les like yourself.

    The lockdown is crazy? I hear the WHO are paying good money for sound advice like that from highly qualified virologists like yourself

    First of all you cannot compare the northern European
    societal behaviour with that of southern Europe. I have been to Italy many times and have several friends in Milan and Naples. The striking behaviour of the Italians is intergenerational living and their tactile nature. In happier times i was envious not now. The Spanish are even more tactile.
    As an aside an expert with the WHO stated a vaccine may never be found and to simplify his comments they could be summed up as suck it up and move on.


  • #375
    Panic Stations
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭Panic Stations


    Pretty much been in the house since mid March myself.

    Have only gone out to the shops for food or taken the dog for a walk within a 2km radius of the house.

    Really disappointed to see that on our walk this evening that the local chipper had a line our the door and around the block and that the car park was full of cars and people.


  • #376
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Panic Stations wrote: »
    Pretty much been in the house since mid March myself.

    Have only gone out to the shops for food or taken the dog for a walk within a 2km radius of the house.

    Really disappointed to see that on our walk this evening that the local chipper had a line our the door and around the block and that the car park was full of cars and people.

    Once physical distancing is being observed , what's the problem? You know live has to go on.


  • #377
    patnor1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Flying Fox wrote: »
    So anyone with an underlying health condition is dispensible?

    You're working off the assumption that the vulnerable groups are already at death's door. Most of them are not. My dad likely would have had a few more years to live if he hadn't contracted the virus. People older and frailer than him have recovered.

    Death rates are up significantly on the same period last year, it's blindingly obvious why that is.

    And why would you even say something like this? Where did I say that people with health problems are dispensible? I am clearly one of them and your attempt to blame me for something "you feel" that I said is appaling.
    I said numerous times that old and vulnerable people are the most at risk and we all should work to protect them.


  • #378
    patnor1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    almostover wrote: »
    Did you miss all the news about Italy and Spain over the last few weeks? What rock is it that you're living under?

    The chances of you contracting maybe low but it's quite high for those working in the healthcare sector wholly end up treating selfish a**h*les like yourself.

    The lockdown is crazy? I hear the WHO are paying good money for sound advice like that from highly qualified virologists like yourself

    If you want to compare our situation to one in Spain or Italy you should think about that there are totally different lifestyle and societal norms.
    If you want to ignore that inconvenient fact let us compare our situation with eastern europe also. Again completely different with about 10x less positive cases and pretty much negligible death rates with even old people surviving virus.
    Slovak Republic for example which is of similar size and population - confirmed cases 1300 and 17 deaths!
    People do not realize that even with a "lockdown" there are tens of thousands of people who are required to go on and pretty much "risk their lives" daily as their work is needed for maintaining this lockdown illusion. They then come back home where they potentialy expose 5x more people, members of their families.
    What we need to do is to change our approach and not to cower inside our house waiting for someone else to fix things for us.

    I agree that lockdown should be applied and maintained for old and vulnerable people while rest of the people work their butt off to provide for them. It is clear as a day that state can not provide for most of the population for any meaningful time and what is the state spending on it now will take out of our pocket later on. Stuff does not grow on trees and the more money you borrow the more you must return. The more of it you print the less value they will have.


  • #379
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,497 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    My future daughter in laws transplant operation was cancelled due to the present crisis. So kindly forgive if me I 'm going to ignore you.

    The healthcare crisis or the lockdown?

    I'm not fully up to date, but I don't think the government had an option to just not be part of the global pandemic?


  • #380
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,497 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    smelly sock wrote: »
    The WHOs inaction is half the reason we are where we are. So dont be virtue signalling and with that ****e.

    Its " think of the hse heroes" brigade like yourself why people have a pain in their holes. People need to work. The world and economy needs to start turning again.

    Get over it. We have done really well so far but its tims for a different approach now.

    Inaction???
    You are complaining about action and inaction in the same post...


  • #381
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    We are pretty much sticking to the rules. I broke them once a few weeks ago by driving more than 2km to the nearest Bottle Bank which clearly wasn't an essential journey. Needed to get away from the house by myself.

    Husband working from home, Kids at home. Road immediately outside not safe for walking especially with Kids. Have noticed cars/vans doing faster speeds.

    Getting weekly deliveries of food and ordering other things we need online. Before all this, I used to shop twice a week on Mondays and Fridays in Tesco.

    Husband goes for a walk or cycle early in the mornings maybe 5 days a week. Apart from my drive above, the Kids and I have not left our place since the day the schools closed March 12th.
    We use my Husband's home gym equipment for exercise as well as Gardening and the Kids play outdoor games in our own garden


    But can see a football pitch from our bedroom window and groups of Kids gathering.
    Member of 2 different FB Groups of mostly women in the nearest town and going by posts on them, lots of unnecessary journeys happening.

    Not jump down your throat on this, but why are you getting your food delivered from Tesco if you never did before?

    My elderly uncle is immunocompromised and hugely vulnerable and had been getting his shopping delivered from Tesco for years but now he can't get delivery slots as there has been a huge increase in people needlessly taking up slots and it's really stressing him out.

    I caught him going out to get essentials one day so now I do all his shopping and drop it to his door.

    Simple things like this are just as important as social distancing.


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  • #382
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,458 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    People are getting sick of lockdown because there is no plan anyways. Covid won’t magically disappear on 5th May. We need to learn to live with it. Cocoon the elders and get on with things.

    I stayed in for all of March and 2 weeks of April.

    Back out and about again. Obeying the rules but I’ve been out plenty. Just sick of staying in when there is no plan. If the rules aren’t relaxed, eventually they’ll be broken more and more.

    We’re here to live, not survive.

    It's a good point and why I think behaviour is changing. Its the biggest problem we have with politicians here and why I feel from a recovery point if view, we couldnt be in a worse country. They are incapable of forward planning and decision making here!


  • #383
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,983 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Really enjoying lockdown myself to be honest. I could do this forever.

    I really hope there are some lasting benefits to this.

    There should be legislation to ban people from the workplace when they are ill and in turn keep them off public transport.

    We also need legislation around public hygiene and regular disinfecting of public places and work places.

    Some legislation around physical distancing, for example if I ask someone to please give me some space they should have to do it. This in turn would help with overcrowding on public transport.


  • #384
    um7y1h83ge06nx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,029 ✭✭✭um7y1h83ge06nx


    We're keeping it up but we're lucky in that we're in the country with a good sized garden and plenty of quiet walks within the 2km.

    Not sure if everyone gets the seriousness of this. I wonder sometimes if I'll get to spend time with both my parents again or if they will be able to spend time with their grandkids here.

    They're both in their mid to late 60s and my mother has underlying conditions, they might not pull through if they contracted the virus.

    My hope is that we can all do our bit so some day we can all spend time together as a family.


  • #385
    20silkcut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,741 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Really enjoying lockdown myself to be honest. I could do this forever.

    I really hope there are some lasting benefits to this.

    There should be legislation to ban people from the workplace when they are ill and in turn keep them off public transport.

    We also need legislation around public hygiene and regular disinfecting of public places and work places.

    Some legislation around physical distancing, for example if I ask someone to please give me some space they should have to do it. This in turn would help with overcrowding on public transport.

    The floor markings in the shop are great.
    People don’t cut in front of you in queues or shove up against you anymore.
    While I’m as sick of the lockdown as everyone else I could live with this physical distancing crack forever.


  • #386
    BillyBiggs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭BillyBiggs


    I’m all for staying safe, but are the restrictions practical long-term? We can’t lockdown forever. Most countries will just keep extending their lockdowns, beyond previously set targets. I’m beginning to think it’s impractical for countries to lockdown than for say 2/3 months. There will be no magic date that Ireland can reopen confidently. Even if Leo said October 1st as the date we will reopen, the same risks apply to social gatherings on that date as they would on this day next week.


  • #387
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,983 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    BillyBiggs wrote: »
    I’m all for staying safe, but are the restrictions practical long-term? We can’t lockdown forever. Most countries will just keep extending their lockdowns, beyond previously set targets. I’m beginning to think it’s impractical for countries to lockdown than for say 2/3 months. There will be no magic date that Ireland can reopen confidently. Even if Leo said October 1st as the date we will reopen, the same risks apply to social gatherings on that date as they would on this day next week.
    There is actually a magic point called R0, when the rate of spread is less than one person the virus is in decline. You then have to wait for that decline to happen before you get to a point where you can open society up, but never back to normal. Otherwise we just go back to the start and it will all have been for nothing.

    There is another measure and that is submissions to hospital and ICU beds.


  • #388
    Bigdig69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭Bigdig69


    I have only left the house to go for a short walk or do a large weekly shop. But my immediate next door neighbours and the house opposite me are breaching the rules all the time. Going beyond 2k up to three times a day, going to the few open shops just to "get out".

    Another house held two kids parties with grandparents coming from 20km away.


  • #389
    BillyBiggs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭BillyBiggs


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    There is actually a magic point called R0, when the rate of spread is less than one person the virus is in decline. You then have to wait for that decline to happen before you get to a point where you can open society up, but never back to normal. Otherwise we just go back to the start and it will all have been for nothing.

    There is another measure and that is submissions to hospital and ICU beds.

    I take your point on board, but can any country reach R0 realistically? Even experts have predicted a 2nd wave, they’ve said that the virus will be something that will be a problem every year. The reality is that we will have to learn to live with Covid-19. It’s possible it will re-emerge every year and may mutate. We will have to cocoon our elderly and develop some sort of herd immunity in younger people.


  • #390
    celt262
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭celt262


    BillyBiggs wrote: »
    I take your point on board, but can any country reach R0 realistically? Even experts have predicted a 2nd wave, they’ve said that the virus will be something that will be a problem every year. The reality is that we will have to learn to live with Covid-19. It’s possible it will re-emerge every year and may mutate. We will have to cocoon our elderly and develop some sort of herd immunity in younger people.

    Ok so you cant get it a 2nd, 3rd time?


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  • #391
    BillyBiggs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭BillyBiggs


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Im not giving the fingers to anyone. Im fed up. Im being honest and i can tell you judging by the amount of people out and about the last 3 or 4 days others are sick and tired of this too.

    Its a relatively mild illness in most and the actual number of cases and deaths are extremely low. At some point we need to find a better way of dealing with this.

    The chances of me contracting this are really low.

    This lockdown is ****ing crazy and someone needs to grow a pair and start to ease it.

    I agree. Even if every country in the world locked down for six months, what’s the point, if one day you have to reopen anyway? The day we reopen, be that in 3 or six months, we will be at risk of contracting the virus. The virus is here to stay unfortunately.


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