Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

ziggyman17 wrote: »

exactly, I did not ring the gardai, because I do not mix with those people and it would not effect me or my family, but they should be grown up enough to know that at the moment you can not have a gathering like that, It pains me to say it, but it is always the same sort of people that think they are above everything, I would be deeply offended if I have had a close family member or friend that that had caught this virus and died all the while these sort go on like everything is grand,,

I don't blame ye for not ringing. What's the point? They let a load of travellers move North, south, east and west and settle in the Curragh. And a crowd almost laid siege to the Four Courts the other day and again they did nothing. Although, in fairness that same day they were busy moving a few disgruntled Debenhams workers on so I presume the Riot Police and ERU were probably moving the women on and couldn't be in two places at once.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

My two cents

Ppl are WAY TOO CASUAL the last few days

It’s gonna ruin any chance the lockdown will ease

Selfish selfish idiots

I'm beginning to think it's just a natural reaction at this stage. Humans are social animals and creatures of habit. Quarantine fatigue is setting in, as predicted, and we are all seeing the impact of this over the last couple of days.

Converse to your point this is the very reason why restrictions will be eased on the 5th of May. It's only natural that people are fed up with them at this stage, some more than others. It's a understandable reaction. That's why we are seeing it all over the country. It can't be stopped in reality by the police or government.

Hopefully we have given the health service enough time to gear up for the next few months and that most people will voluntarily continue with behaviors that will slow the spread.

Boggles wrote: »

You don't house 1000s of people the vast vast vast majority of which don't have the virus in hospitals, a mystery army base or some pop up field hospital during a pandemic.

As for closing the borders, the horse has bolted.

Right now, my understanding is passenger traffic is pretty much non existent.

An idea based on reality, anyone that chooses to travel onto the island be made self isolate in a hotel room for 14 days. That was not feasible back in March with 1000s of returning citizens.

Simple, No need for the army fetish to be involved.

Ok so you say a hotel

I am ok with that once they are bussed there and there is proper security.

By that I mean the army and not some G4S shift worker who is not watching the comings and goings carefully enough.

I am not xenophobic etc it is simply that ppl arriving into the state from abroad need to quarantine. And it needs to be properly enforced and not an ah sure twill be grand approach this time.

Boggles wrote: »

Jesus Titty Christ we do not have an "army base" to cater for 1000s of people.

Also housing 1000s of people in one place during a pandemic is one of the dumbest things I think I have ever heard.

It's up there with drinking toilet duck.

Perhaps,however where are you getting the '000's from ?

Are you assuming that every expatriate Irish citizen is suddenly going to turn up en-masse to kiss the ould sod ?

As with New Zealand,we now have thousands of empty Hotel rooms adjacent to our main Air and Ferry ports,each Hotel capable of being closely monitored and effectively sanitized.

Nobody is suggesting Stalag 17 here,but if we as a State,can shuttle Direct Provision refugees to "centres" across the Country,who then test positive for CV19,then we sure as hell can do a LOT better for potentially infected Irish Citizens ?

It also has to be acknowledged that,as posted earlier in thread,Ireland's current policies are 'advisory' and 'recommended' a situation which may well have to be addressed given the increase in reports and verified occurences of Darwinism being practiced around the State.

It may well have to come to a choice,and assessing those options is what has to be done....shrugging the shoulders and sniffing about 'entitlements' won't wash no more boss

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

You have to change gloves after everything you touch. You're not going to find a surgeon using one pair of gloves the minute they clock in until they clock out. One pair of gloves=more infection/cross contamination and this is alot of what I'm seeing in shops.

The same level of virus spread by touch occurs on fomites with or without gloves unless people wash their hands between every item they come into physical contact with. Do you wash your hands between picking up every item you're putting into your basket in the shop?

The gloves work as a deterrent for people touching their faces, I see people rubbing their itchy face on their shoulder etc when they have gloves on. That's not to say gloves are a replacement for hand hygiene but act as somewhat of a deterrent to touching the face.

Masks are all well and good but the barriers to access them are too high for the vast majority of people and taking them off presents a whole new challenge to avoid contaminating your self. I see doctors and nurses, daily, who misuse masks and doff them incorrectly despite almost daily reminders in correct technique.

Wombatman wrote: »

I'm beginning to think it's just a natural reaction at this stage. Humans are social animals and creatures of habit. Quarantine fatigue is setting in, as predicted, and we are all seeing the impact of this over the last couple of days.

Converse to your point this is the very reason why restrictions will be eased on the 5th of May. It's only natural that people are fed up with them at this stage, some more than others. It's a understandable reaction. That's why we are seeing it all over the country. It can't be stopped in reality by the police or government.

Hopefully we have given the health service enough time to gear up for the next few months and that most people will voluntarily continue with behaviors that will slow the spread.

The 'social elements' won't be eased on 5th May by a long shot. The inability of people to simply knuckle down for a few weeks is staggering.

wakka12 wrote: »

You could say that about most of the Northern hemisphere during mid summer and influenza activity is still minimal

If only this virus was influenza. :rolleyes:

mcmoustache wrote: »

I haven't been keeping up but what's the story with the numbers today?


Did 220 people die last night or did we just add a bunch of people to the list that we didn't know about previously?

Probable cases added, but cumulative from since the outbreak began

Christ. The news just had a piece where an opera singer was brought outside some oul wans apartment to give her a song. Talk about unnecessary journeys.

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I wash my hands before leaving the house, I wash my hands when I come home. I don't touch my face. I wipe down and disinfect my shopping. I shower and change my clothes after coming home from the shop

And having gloves on didn't stop the person in front of me in a queue from having a smoke. So it's not acting as a reminder in some people to not touch their face.

Some people doesn't mean all though. We will never get all people to comply with anything.

My point is that gloves do help, to some degree. It's not a perfect solution but it's better than nothing.

jackboy wrote: »

Christ. The news just had a piece where an opera singer was brought outside some oul wans apartment to give her a song. Talk about unnecessary journeys.

Maybe they thought this will all be over when the fat lady sings.

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

If only this virus was influenza. :rolleyes:

Same largely applies.

Miike wrote: »

Masks are all well and good but the barriers to access them are too high for the vast majority of people and taking them off presents a whole new challenge to avoid contaminating your self. I see doctors and nurses, daily, who misuse masks and doff them incorrectly despite almost daily reminders in correct technique.

If you contaminate yourself when you take the mask off then it implies there is virus on the mask which in turn means it has done it's job to that stage.
If the mask had not caught it it would have gone into your mouth or eyes.!

If you assume that even half the people who have a contaminated mask take it off correctly then you have been 50% successful.

In the general population the odds of your mask being infected has to be extremely low. If it is not then you are crazy to put yourself in that environment, mask or no mask.



No one is looking for 100% guarantees. We are trying to cut the odds down using as many methods as possible. This is one of them.



In a hospital environment the odds of contamination being on your mask is

vastly greater. That is why they are heros.


Comparing the two environments is not appropriate. Even the avid anti-mask brigade agree to that.