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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • #4082
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    You have no knowledge of my background or experience timmy

    Something I'm quite happy about.


  • #4083
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Bitter experience timmy

    Be easier if we just text each other at this stage


  • #4084
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,046 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Something I'm quite happy about.

    Good for you

    Now moving swiftly on ...


  • #4085
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,036 ✭✭✭jackboy


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    They can be fully self sufficient for as long as it takes.

    If they do that for a few years it might work. They will need to get used to poverty though.


  • #4086
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    I am aware of Malaysians travelling home from Ireland this week. They must quarantine for 14 days once they land, and must do so in a ‘facility’. They cannot return to their family homes, or even cities until they have completed quarantine.

    We should do the same, no ‘suggested’ isolation. Enforce it.


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  • #4087
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    What is so hard to understand. Deploy army. Close border. Send all non Irish passport holders back. Send Irish passport holders to army base for quarantine.

    You quite clearly have no idea how the north south border would actually close. It's near impossible and the army wouldn't have the resources to do it.
    Not to mention being a sitting duck for paramilitary attacks.


  • #4088
    the.red.baron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,636 ✭✭✭the.red.baron


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Clearly this policy has worked in NZ. However the country is far more isolated from its nearest neighbours than Ireland is and doesn`t have a land border with another jurisdiction.

    The thing is what is their plan long term, wait it out?


  • #4089
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,245 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Brazilian justice minister has resigned (resignation not directly COVID related unlike the heath minister) so it appears their government faces collapse in the middle of this.

    Not the best timing. Maybe it's better to get rid of Bolsanaro sooner rather than later though!


  • #4090
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,046 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    You quite clearly have no idea how the north south border would actually close. It's near impossible and the army wouldn't have the resources to do it.
    Not to mention being a sitting duck for paramilitary attacks.

    I am confident the Irish army could do it and I am confident up to date operational plans could be deployed.


  • #4091
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,174 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Or maybe they're accepting of the risk?

    They're accepting the risk that they may be the cause somebody else's death or severe illness, and possibly multiples of same?
    Charming people with a very cheap view of life and health.


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  • #4092
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    An editorial today in the New England Journal of Medicine, the premiere medical journal worldwide, draws attention to the inadequacy of traditional public health measures in controlling the spread of Covid-19. What worked with SARS and Influenza is not working with Covid-19.

    Asymptomatic Transmission, the Achilles’ Heel of Current Strategies to Control Covid-19

    “ It is notable that 17 of 24 specimens (71%) from presymptomatic persons had viable virus by culture 1 to 6 days before the development of symptoms.”

    “An important finding of this report is that more than half the residents of this skilled nursing facility (27 of 48) who had positive tests were asymptomatic at testing. Moreover, live coronavirus clearly sheds at high concentrations from the nasal cavity even before symptom development.”

    And they conclude “These factors also support the case for the general public to use face masks when in crowded outdoor or indoor spaces. This unprecedented pandemic calls for unprecedented measures to achieve its ultimate defeat.”

    People can have viable virus for up to 6 days BEFORE they become symptomatic. This finding has deep implications for the traditional public health measures and their failure to control the spread of the virus.

    It also highlights the need for public masking, because you and everyone you meet could be presymptomatic and shedding virus at high concentrations.

    I really don't know what they are waiting for here with regards masks. I know I'm not waiting to be told to wear a mask but alot of people are.

    What I don't understand is I see so much people with gloves on and this is without being told anything about wearing gloves. But so much of these glove wearing people as well aren't wearing masks. I just don't get it, it's masks that will provide some protection, not gloves.


  • #4093
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    I am confident the Irish army could do it and I am confident up to date operational plans could be deployed.

    300 border crossings between north and south with everyone on the island entitled to move freely for work purposes between north and south. Good luck with that.


  • #4094
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,628 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    You have no knowledge of my background or experience timmy

    I dont know who you are, I dont know what you want. I dont have money but I do have Internet connection and access to an anonymous online forum


  • #4095
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    They're accepting the risk that they may be the cause somebody else's death or severe illness, and possibly multiples of same?
    Charming people with a very cheap view of life and health.

    If people are accepting risk, and we're being told we have to live with this... Wearing face masks needs to be made mandatory.


  • #4096
    Speak Now
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,773 ✭✭✭Speak Now


    What's with all the New Zealand comparisons?

    A country 3 or 4 times our size so way more sparsely populated than us.

    Over 2000 km from nearest neighbour while we have a land border with a shower that chanced their arm with hard immunity initially.


  • #4097
    keynes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭keynes


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Closing the border is one of the first things that should’ve been done but Leo and co seemed to have no notion of doing it.


    Correct. And people don't seem to appreciate that the gains to any lockdown will quickly be squandered as soon as summer travel (e.g., from US and UK) resumes again over the summer


  • #4098
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,046 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    I dont know who you are, I dont know what you want. I dont have money but I do have Internet connection and access to an anonymous online forum

    *eyeroll*

    Moving swiftly on....


  • #4099
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I really don't know what they are waiting for here with regards masks. I know I'm not waiting to be told to wear a mask but alot of people are.

    What I don't understand is I see so much people with gloves on and this is without being told anything about wearing gloves. But so much of these glove wearing people as well aren't wearing masks. I just don't get it, it's masks that will provide some protection, not gloves.

    Gloves if used properly negate fomite transmission at some level. Masks aren't widely available and are expensive (2 significant barriers).


  • #4100
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    If people are accepting risk, and we're being told we have to live with this... Wearing face masks needs to be made mandatory.

    What? Forever? Not gonna happen.


  • #4101
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,536 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    No. Let them in and then straight to army base for quarantine - no exceptions

    What army base could cater for 1000s of returning citizens?


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  • #4102
    Down9194
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭Down9194


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Just close it. Deploy the army if need be

    There will be no closing the border. Seal off the whole island if you want. Typical FS bull****


  • #4103
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,046 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    keynes wrote: »
    Correct. And people don't seem to appreciate that the gains to any lockdown will quickly be squandered as soon as summer travel (e.g., from US and UK) resumes again over the summer

    This is the crux of it

    We can be good Paddies and Patricia’s all we like

    If the virus is being imported through dublin airport what’s the point.

    Clusters will keep happening. Rinse and repeat.


  • #4104
    ziggyman17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭ziggyman17


    :D:D A bingo party where I live tonight, around 150 adults and kids gathered together, with dj decks and all having drinks, they were settled in for the night and then after 2 hours the police arrive and put a stop to the madness.........


  • #4105
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    Has there been any spike in illness amoung retail workers in the large food stores?


  • #4106
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,245 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    ziggyman17 wrote: »
    :D:D A bingo party where I live tonight, around 150 adults and kids gathered together, with dj decks and all having drinks, they were settled in for the night and then after 2 hours the police arrive and put a stop to the madness.........

    In Ireland?


  • #4107
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,536 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I really don't know what they are waiting for here with regards masks. I know I'm not waiting to be told to wear a mask but alot of people are.

    What I don't understand is I see so much people with gloves on and this is without being told anything about wearing gloves. But so much of these glove wearing people as well aren't wearing masks. I just don't get it, it's masks that will provide some protection, not gloves.

    Of course gloves provide protection if used correctly.

    Why would you think they wouldn't?


  • #4108
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Who would have the remotest interest in international travel until there's a vaccine - not much social distancing possible in an airport, let alone on a plane?


  • #4109
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    What? Forever? Not gonna happen.

    Why not?


  • #4110
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,046 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Boggles wrote: »
    What army base could cater for 1000s of returning citizens?

    Build a field hospital in the car park. It’s not rocket science. Isolate them and monitor.


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  • #4111
    joe_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭joe_99


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    No. Let them in and then straight to army base for quarantine - no exceptions

    HSE workers living in Derry?


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