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As a person, Simon Harris

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    #302
    Tell me how
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    olestoepoke wrote: »
    If the minister for health from any other country made a monumental blunder like that you would be joining in with the rest of us calling him out for the absolute fraud that he is. Your loyalties to your party have clouded your judgement if you see no wrong. Incompetence of the highest order. I'd say he's done irreparable damage to his political career. I also think he should be replaced immediately.

    For the 3rd time for those at the back who struggle to pay attention.

    I. have. never. voted. for. a. FG. candidate.


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    #303
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,740 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    We get it.

    He's awful.

    What do you want him to do next?

    The new Taoiseach when elected to replace him.


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    #304
    olestoepoke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    The whole debacle is like a scene from Father Ted with simple Simon playing Doughal


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    #305
    Jinglejangle69
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    olestoepoke wrote: »
    The whole debacle is like a scene from Father Ted with simple Simon playing Doughal

    Simple Simon?

    Noticing these little bully boy digs I remember from childhood.

    People calling kids simple in the playground who had special needs, and everyone laughed at them.

    You as an adult have kept it up.

    SF do have history of bullying though.

    Calling people simple.

    Grow up and cop on.


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    #306
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    olestoepoke wrote: »
    The whole debacle is like a scene from Father Ted with simple Simon playing Doughal

    Christ but you don't half enjoy the over reaction and hyperbole.


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    #307
    olestoepoke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Simple Simon?

    Noticing these little bully boy digs I remember from childhood.

    People calling kids simple in the playground who had special needs, and everyone laughed at them.

    You as an adult have kept it up.

    SF do have history of bullying though.

    Calling people simple.

    Grow up and cop on.
    Don't be so dramatic. Does Simon have special needs? Am I bullying anyone with special needs? Why mention SF? No one mentioned them? Grow up lol, gas.


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    #308
    sabat
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    olestoepoke wrote: »
    Don't be so dramatic. Does Simon have special needs?.

    It's a fair question to ask about a 33 year old man who says "I made a boo-boo."


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    #309
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,782 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Simple Simon?

    Noticing these little bully boy digs I remember from childhood.

    People calling kids simple in the playground who had special needs, and everyone laughed at them.

    You as an adult have kept it up.

    SF do have history of bullying though.

    Calling people simple.

    Grow up and cop on.

    Says the above who was calling people 'gullible morons' in another thread.


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    #310
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    I don't know any of these politicians as a person. How should i know what they are like?

    I am not passing personal judgement. I am just stating what i think of their performance collectively in govt.


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    #311
    AudreyHepburn
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    But we aren't all the minister for health...

    And so he must be infallible?

    Name me one politician who hasn’t made mistake in office.


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    #312
    Annasopra
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    I can reply whatever way I like once it is not breaking any of the rules.

    It is not like your own reply offers anything, at least I had content.

    I didnt suggest you cant reply.

    I answered your question in detail above by the way.

    Honestly I genuinely dont think this was a major mistake at all and he admitted it snd acknowledged it straightaway. I mean its not like Trumps bleach injections. On the whole if you examine Simon Harriss discourse and contributions on everything to do with with Covid 19 he is 99.99% of the time very well informed and knowledgeable. In that context I think hopping up and down about his minor mistake is silly nonsense. Perhaps as per my post above he doesnt have any qualificiations but I'm not particularly a fan of this elitist view of politics anyway. With elitism like that one of the most amazing Health systems/services the UK NHS would never have been envisaged/delivered. Nye Bevan left school at 13.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #313
    Scruff101
    Registered Users Posts: 250 ✭✭Scruff101


    I really like him and think he's doing a great job. I didn't have much time for him prior to this but he has grown on me over the past two months.

    He's our caretaker Health Minister dealing with possibly the greatest challenge the health service/country has ever had to deal with. As someone who works in the health service myself the changes that have been made to the services to deal with this in a very short space of time are astounding. Im sure some mistakes have been made but these are unchartered waters and it's nothing short of a guessing game the world over.

    I've started to follow him on Twitter/insta, the man Is working flat out. He gives almost daily updates sometimes from his office but also from his home. His updates always seem very sincere. He is also very thankful to people who send thank you letters to him and often shows cards/artwork kids have sent to him which is nice to see. He appears genuinely thankful for the kindness people are showing.

    He's also managing home life similar to many of us - a wife working in the health service and a young baby. Fair play to him I say.


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    #314
    olestoepoke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Says the above who was calling people 'gullible morons' in another thread.

    Oh the hypocrisy


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    #315
    RobertKK
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    I didnt suggest you cant reply.

    I answered your question in detail above by the way.

    Honestly I genuinely dont think this was a major mistake at all and he admitted it snd acknowledged it straightaway. I mean its not like Trumps bleach injections. On the whole if you examine Simon Harriss discourse and contributions on everything to do with with Covid 19 he is 99.99% of the time very well informed and knowledgeable. In that context I think hopping up and down about his minor mistake is silly nonsense. Perhaps as per my post above he doesnt have any qualificiations but I'm not particularly a fan of this elitist view of politics anyway. With elitism like that one of the most amazing Health systems/services the UK NHS would never have been envisaged/delivered. Nye Bevan left school at 13.

    He had to admit it straight away, he had no other option.

    His advisers would have told him, and then told him how he was in the company of Kellyanne Conway who made a similar remark and was ridiculed and the funny thing is some of the Irish people who ridiculed her came out with excuses for Simon Harris.
    But then Kellyanne Conway thankfully has no involvement in health.


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    #316
    RobertKK
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    Scruff101 wrote: »
    I really like him and think he's doing a great job. I didn't have much time for him prior to this but he has grown on me over the past two months.

    He's our caretaker Health Minister dealing with possibly the greatest challenge the health service/country has ever had to deal with. As someone who works in the health service myself the changes that have been made to the services to deal with this in a very short space of time are astounding. Im sure some mistakes have been made but these are unchartered waters and it's nothing short of a guessing game the world over.

    I've started to follow him on Twitter/insta, the man Is working flat out. He gives almost daily updates sometimes from his office but also from his home. His updates always seem very sincere. He is also very thankful to people who send thank you letters to him and often shows cards/artwork kids have sent to him which is nice to see. He appears genuinely thankful for the kindness people are showing.

    He's also managing home life similar to many of us - a wife working in the health service and a young baby. Fair play to him I say.

    He did a great not in not replying to the nursing home body who wrote to him twice and where he never responded.
    It was only when in crisis and over half of deaths happening in nursing homes that he did anything, but that is doing a great job to some people.


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    #317
    Annasopra
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    He had to admit it straight away, he had no other option.

    His advisers would have told him, and then told him how he was in the company of Kellyanne Conway who made a similar remark and was ridiculed and the funny thing is some of the Irish people who ridiculed her came out with excuses for Simon Harris.
    But then Kellyanne Conway thankfully has no involvement in health.

    To be fair Kellyanne Conway and Simon Harris are not comparable. She has made a number of dubious claims or gaffes.

    Overall I think Harris is very knowledgeable of his brief in relation to Corona and honestly it seems like this minor mistake is blown out of proportion by some.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #318
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    He did a great not in not replying to the nursing home body who wrote to him twice and where he never responded.
    It was only when in crisis and over half of deaths happening in nursing homes that he did anything, but that is doing a great job to some people.

    And no matter what he, or anyone else does, some people will just b*tch and moan. It's all they have.


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    #319
    Scruff101
    Registered Users Posts: 250 ✭✭Scruff101


    RobertKK wrote: »
    He did a great not in not replying to the nursing home body who wrote to him twice and where he never responded.
    It was only when in crisis and over half of deaths happening in nursing homes that he did anything, but that is doing a great job to some people.

    I didn't say mistakes haven't been made but they've been made the world over.

    On the whole he's done a great job. I'm sure in hindsight he'd have done something about nursing homes much faster but isn't hindsight a great thing.

    If not responding to correspondence twice is the only thing he's done wrong in this sh*storm then he's definitely done well.


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    #320
    SAMTALK
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    Cannot believe some of the things that are being said

    This is a virus that has no cure. People are dying in their thousands . We are a small country and I for one am proud of the way this has been handled.

    Are Harris, Holohan perfect. No
    Are they doing their best Most definately
    Are they talking to the press every day yes

    Give them a break FFS .
    I would not have been a fan of Simon Harris but the man has stepped up and is doing all he can.

    I for one am glad that he is there along with leo and tony holohan

    I also shudder at how close we came to having Mary lou handling all this


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    #321
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    If you like Simon Harris he is done a really good job and is credit to himself. Fair play to him.If you do not like him he is a degenerate imbecile that has basically murdered hundreds of Irish people due to his mishandling of the Covid crisis. Choose a side please , indifference does not get a vote.

    Like him or hate him he has the perfect formula for a successful career in politics in the 3rd millennium. He is able to divide and polarise opinion, an essential trait in modern politics.

    Boris Johnson - Marmite magnetism
    Donald Trump - Get wet or dry off, the choice is yours.

    Simon Harris - hard to describe really, but given the knowledge that he terrifies Leo enough to be given the health portfolio it is safe to say he plays with a sharp knife for starters. He would annihilate Coveney in a leadership election, hands down.


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    #322
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    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    If you like Simon Harris he is done a really good job and is credit to himself. Fair play to him.If you do not like him he is a degenerate imbecile that has basically murdered hundreds of Irish people due to his mishandling of the Covid crisis. Choose a side please , indifference does not get a vote.

    Like him or hate him he has the perfect formula for a successful career in politics in the 3rd millennium. He is able to divide and polarise opinion, an essential trait in modern politics.

    Boris Johnson - Marmite magnetism
    Donald Trump - Get wet or dry off, the choice is yours.

    Simon Harris - hard to describe really, but given the knowledge that he terrifies Leo enough to be given the health portfolio it is safe to say he plays with a sharp knife for starters. He would annihilate Coveney in a leadership election, hands down.

    No chance. Coveney has won huge admiration for his work on Brexit.
    Think Harris is likely a future FG leader, but Coveney first, if he wants it. He may decide to go for a key role in Europe or UN, think he is capable of it.


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    #323
    IAMAMORON
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    No chance. Coveney has won huge admiration for his work on Brexit.
    Think Harris is likely a future FG leader, but Coveney first, if he wants it. He may decide to go for a key role in Europe or UN, think he is capable of it.

    He hasn't got the charisma or the political nuance, too blunt. Far too used to getting his own way to genuinely understand how to fight for something, no bite. He has been given his entire political career on a plate, too easy.

    McEntee would probably stand a better chance of defeating Harris, she is the right sex for victory. Whoever is the next female politician to polarise Mary Lou wins. All the women love her, regardless of her politics she is the everywoman of Ireland, a vote winning machine.

    That is why Fianna Fáil are doomed, they ain't got the women onside.


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    #324
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    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    He hasn't got the charisma or the political nuance, too blunt. Far too used to getting his own way to genuinely understand how to fight for something, no bite. He has been given his entire political career on a plate, too easy.

    McEntee would probably stand a better chance of defeating Harris, she is the right sex for victory. Whoever is the next female politician to polarise Mary Lou wins. All the women lover her, regardless of her politics she is the everywoman of Ireland, a vote winning machine.

    That is why Fianna Fáil are doomed, they ain't got the women onside.

    Who are you talking about here?


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    #325
    IAMAMORON
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    Who are you talking about here?

    Simon Coveney, stay on topic please, you knew who I was talking about.


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    #326
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    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    Simon Coveney, stay on topic please, you knew who I was talking about.

    I thought that the thread was about Simon Harris, who is doing great for one so young.


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    #327
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I thought that the thread was about Simon Harris, who is doing great for one so young.

    Don't worry it still is, tangents are allowed though I am sure?

    I mean the political fortunes of Harris and Coveney are inexorably combined?


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    #328
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    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    Simon Coveney, stay on topic please, you knew who I was talking about.

    If I did, why would I have asked?

    Simon Coveney has earned huge respect throughout the Brexit process for being diligent, understanding, completely on top of his brief, diplomatic, and resilient.

    The thought of him being Taoiseach, would appeal to a lot of people.

    It's disingenuous to suggest that someone who has won 5 national elections and one European had their career handed to them just because their father was a TD before them.


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    #329
    Billgirlylegs
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    Whiny.
    Full of self confidence and self importance.
    Likes the sound of his own voice.
    Loves the current scenario where he is lecturing all and sundry

    Doesn't bother him in the slightest that he has been utterly incompetent.


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    #330
    IAMAMORON
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    Billgirlylegs wrote: »
    Whiny.
    Full of self confidence and self importance.
    Likes the sound of his own voice.
    Loves the current scenario where he is lecturing all and sundry

    Doesn't bother him in the slightest that he has been utterly incompetent.

    The polarisation continues.


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    #331
    IAMAMORON
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    If I did, why would I have asked?

    Simon Coveney has earned huge respect throughout the Brexit process for being diligent, understanding, completely on top of his brief, diplomatic, and resilient.

    The thought of him being Taoiseach, would appeal to a lot of people.

    It's disingenuous to suggest that someone who has won 5 national elections and one European had their career handed to them just because their father was a TD before them.

    Coveney is great, I like him. But I don't think he has the pliable qualities a successful leadership demands. Harris has more fight. That counts in any battle. Harris is younger and shrewder, he has more tenacity.

    Harris might not be good at schmoozing French diplomats in Paris during Bastille week, that is Coveney's game. I could see Coveney nailing a bottle of 1994 Bordeaux and holding a conversation, Harris would be under the table the poor Divil…. but Harris knows how to get votes and influence party members. Leo knows this, that is why he likes leaning on him, it keeps Harris down. Leo fears him most.


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