Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

BloodBath · 24-04-2020 01:44PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Spain have seen lowest deaths in a month, but new daily cases at 6740 - so far today, thats peak levels, now I wonder .....
On April 13 they allowed contruction and other type work to resume, so streets got a little busier again, I'm thinking this could be the reason for the spike in new cases.
Deaths at a low for a month show the initial effects of lockdown, but if my suspicions about the rise in new cases is due to partial lockdown lift, then deaths will get worse again.

This must be in the air....

They are telling us if we take kids out in bikes to wash the bikes with bleach afterwards ?
wut???

Also to change their clothes when they come in, seems crazy....

Who's they? First I've heard of it.

eagle eye · 24-04-2020 01:44PM

ZX7R wrote:

Just want to point out something about mandatory mask wearing, In all European countries that have issued this,in certain cases on medical grounds and in case of special needs these person's can be exempt from wearing where a medical note can be produced to confirm.

I can understand stand things like this in normal times but not now. I'm of the opinion that it should be mandatory for work and going to the shops and in urban areas at all times. I think if there is a reason you cannot wear a mask then you should stay at home. A service should be provided to deliver necessities to people like this.

polesheep · 24-04-2020 01:44PM

Paddygreen wrote: »

I have been demanding this for weeks. When a maskless potential vektor is nearby I can literally hear every breath they take, every move they make even. The other day in Lidl (my nearest supermarket) there was a maskless sweaty man in shorts and t-shirt. Everyone was avoiding him like the plague.

Does your poor heart ache with every step they take?

:D

24-04-2020 01:44PM

Paddygreen wrote: »

Our leaders. I am one of the most vocal mask activists on Twitter. I am big time pro-mask, make it the law. I have tweeted nearly every minister about this issue. I have also left two voicemails for Simon Harris.

Paddygreen wrote: »

Masks can be fashioned from nappies or sanitary towels as a temporary measure until you can get to your nearest chemist which should be re-stocked.

So you are an Always Ultra?

Wombatman · 24-04-2020 01:45PM

The focus really needs to shift away from the general public to the old and vulnerable, particularly nursing homes and LTRCs. Total lock down for them with increased testing (including staff), staffing and resourcing including PPE.

Hospitals have had time to prepare and aren't under much pressure.

Restrictions should be eased on the 5th. Social distancing and other measures to slow community spread should be kept in place for another couple of months.

is_that_so · 24-04-2020 01:46PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Problem with masks is that those who choose to wear them (so long as they are not compulsory) will quickly develop a superior attitude against those who don't.

The shopper without the mask will slowly become used to glancing stares of disapproval and finger wagging.

The mask wearers will pull down their masks to chastise others, while fumbling to put them back on and managing to touch their mouths and nose in an effective transfer of the virus onto themselves while the non mask wearer calls them cúnts and leaves the shop healthy.

I saw a mother with a child in Tesco today. No mask on the mother but the child had both a mask and her coat over her face and looked terrified. I didn't blame the child but did wonder how the mother had not managed to explain all of this properly to the kid. Amused me later to see the child with her hands all over the sweets near the checkout.

BanditLuke · 24-04-2020 01:46PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Problem with masks is that those who choose to wear them (so long as they are not compulsory) will quickly develop a superior attitude against those who don't.

The shopper without the mask will slowly become used to glancing stares of disapproval and finger wagging.

The mask wearers will pull down their masks to chastise others, while fumbling to put them back on and managing to touch their mouths and nose in an effective transfer of the virus onto themselves while the non mask wearer calls them cúnts and leaves the shop healthy.

If everyone was made by law to wear a mask when outdoors we wouldn't have that issue. Everyone knows about the 2m rule now how about devoting some time to public awareness on how to properly wear and use a mask with TV radio and billboard advertising.

Rob A. Bank · 24-04-2020 01:49PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

I agree but surely masks should be compulsory when outdoors at all times.

We need to get real and start taking this seriously.

But you must wear them correctly !

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kona · 24-04-2020 01:50PM

Paddygreen wrote: »

Masks can be fashioned from nappies or sanitary towels as a temporary measure until you can get to your nearest chemist which should be re-stocked.

Are you going to wear a nappy or a sanitary pad on your face?

polesheep · 24-04-2020 01:50PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Once it gets into a country to any significant degree, its virtually impossible to stop its spread, lockdown or no lockdown.

Only China have managed to stop a large outbreak in its tracks and reverse it, albeit with Chinese methods.

Realistically once it takes hold, the best you can aim for is protect nursing homes and the vulnerable as best you can.

We tried our best here to contain covid19 but its still highly prevalent and getting into nursing homes, with a lockdown in place. As some experts have said, we were more interested with locking down and protecting the healthy than the weak and vulnerable and this latter category were an afterthought.

Agree totally with this. It wasn't just experts though. Many people were saying it. The problem is it's only the government appointed experts that are allowed have the microphone.

caveat emptor · 24-04-2020 01:50PM

is_that_so wrote: »

I saw a mother with a child in Tesco today. No mask on the mother but the child had both a mask and her coat over her face and looked terrified. I didn't blame the child but did wonder how the mother had not managed to explain all of this properly to the kid. Amused me later to see the child with her hands all over the sweets near the checkout.

Source?

owlbethere · 24-04-2020 01:51PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Meanwhile people are free to arrive here in Dublin and go where ever they want, no quarantine.

Still haven't seen a single temperture check anywhere. Temperature check should be compulsory at entrances to shops for example.

No sign of any government virus app because Paul Murphy and his merry band of asshats will be up in arms about civil liberties.

Temp checks are not the answer. It will be doing something to be seen to do something. It will also give a false sense of security. Like I need ibuprofen for period cramps and pains otherwise I get floored with dagger pains. So I take ibuprofen for one reason and it will alter a temp/fever and bri g it down if I had one.

I also had an accident earlier in the week and my body is sore and I'm taking ibuprofen for some sore limbs. So something like that would also bring down a temp/fever.

eagle eye · 24-04-2020 01:53PM

Wombatman wrote:

Restrictions should be eased on the 5th. Social distancing and other measures to slow community spread should be kept in place for another couple of months.

Obviously you don't listen or read about where things are at. We are nowhere near ending the lockdown. We need to get tougher on those not adhering to the lockdown.

Rob A. Bank · 24-04-2020 01:54PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Temp checks are not the answer. It will be doing something to be seen to do something. It will also give a false sense of security. Like I need ibuprofen for period cramps and pains otherwise I get floored with dagger pains. So I take ibuprofen for one reason and it will alter a temp/fever and bri g it down if I had one.

I also had an accident earlier in the week and my body is sore and I'm taking ibuprofen for some sore limbs. So something like that would also bring down a temp/fever.

All the Asian countries who have contained the virus have thermal cameras or temp checks everywhere.

So they are the answer.

is_that_so · 24-04-2020 01:56PM

From Guardian feed - The German R0 has risen.

The current reproduction rate in Germany is 0.9 - which means every person with the infection is passing it on to one other person. This is up from 0.7 a week ago, but virologists consider one and under to be good.

FrToddUnctious · 24-04-2020 01:57PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

All the Asian countries who have contained the virus have thermal cameras or temp checks everywhere.

So they are the answer.

Correlation causation etc etc

ednwireland · 24-04-2020 01:59PM

was in the supermarket a lot of people wearing gloves. unfortunately they were standing in the queue with car keys an purses in hand so end up covering that in germs as well. none wearing masks.

Akabusi · 24-04-2020 02:00PM

I've come fully around to masks being a good idea. They are an extra barrier so can only be a good thing. Think about the advice we have been given, if you sneeze or cough use your elbow or a tissue to cover your mouth. That cannot offer the same protection as a mask would to any people around you. As Trump would say you've gotta try it, you have nothing to lose

New Home · 24-04-2020 02:01PM

What they could do in the shops to manage numbers better would be to set up numbering machines and screens . You pick a number and go and sit somewhere (your car, for instance). When you see that your number is about to be called, you join the queue.

caveat emptor · 24-04-2020 02:02PM

I was in Tesco and someone did something I didn’t agree with. I can’t remember exactly what but I was outraged. It was related to this virus though.

New Home · 24-04-2020 02:04PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I was in Tesco and someone did something I didn’t agree with. I can’t remember exactly what but I was outraged. It was related to this virus though.

Did they touch the bread? I bet they touched the bread. Damn them! :mad:

Away With The Fairies · 24-04-2020 02:04PM

ednwireland wrote: »

was in the supermarket a lot of people wearing gloves. unfortunately they were standing in the queue with car keys an purses in hand so end up covering that in germs as well. none wearing masks.

Saw a lady in a queue outside with gloves on and smoking a fag. Finished her fag and continued on with her gloves.

She was only transferring her germs from her mouth to her gloves with every puff. And then continued on into the shop.

Gloves are not the answer here. They provide very little protection.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 24-04-2020 02:08PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

What do you think a sanitary towels is

It's one of these...

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Redo91 · 24-04-2020 02:11PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Obviously you don't listen or read about where things are at. We are nowhere near ending the lockdown. We need to get tougher on those not adhering to the lockdown.

That poster said easing and not ending the restrictions. Big and very obvious difference. I’m listening and reading plenty about this and certainly it seems that the restrictions will be eased on the 5th May. Irish Independent were only reporting yesterday that over 70’s will be allowed out for exercise. While they aren’t promising anything the government are certainly suggesting that restrictions will be eased. They are due to give us a “road map” before the 5th outlining how they will do that.

BloodBath · 24-04-2020 02:11PM

Wtf are you doing when you are out that you have to change your clothes when you get home?

I go out to the shops at least twice as week. My clothes are not contacting anything.

Even if it was I'm not licking my clothes afterwards.

I can understand paranoia if you have health issues or are elderly in the high risk category but that is completely ott if not.

Do you disinfect all the shopping you buy too? Must get tiresome.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 24-04-2020 02:13PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

No, I don't think I will listen to the WHO... (The band perhaps, but not that other crowd:P)

You really think people are going to be more conscious of health long term?

We can't even make our mind up, as a nation, whether we should all be wearing masks... I wouldn't be backing us to live alongside this virus and function very well as a society. Maybe some Asian countries or the Germans would be disciplined enough to pull it off... but many of our citizens have struggled even just with being stuck in the house for a few weeks!

We'll have to. Disease eradication is incredibly difficult. It is much more likely to not happen than to happen. So we'll have no choice but to live alongside the virus. If you think society isn't going to function well while this virus is still with us, then I hope you are sitting comfortably because it's going to be a long ride.

cnocbui · 24-04-2020 02:15PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Is there anyone out there with a better idea on how to prevent symptomless Covid patients spreading Covid in public ?

It's simple really...

“My mask protects you; your mask protects me.”

Masks filter in both directions with equal efficacy, if used with a modicum of intelligence.

Taking temperatures is not the answer, given the high level of asymptomatic transmission. Australia hasn't employed mass temperature screening and it's numbers are on par with Singapore, South Korea, Japan, and China's bogus figures.

caveat emptor · 24-04-2020 02:16PM

hmmm wrote: »

People on Etsy are doing masks, they are going to be the hit fashion accessory of Summer.

If you get one, don't be the asshole who thinks they are now invulnerable.

What’s Etsy? Honestly no clue what etsy is and not afraid to admit it. I want to say it’s something about delivering food or rating restaurants. Sounds cool though.

I won’t google it either. Ignorance is bliss.

grogi · 24-04-2020 02:17PM

cnocbui wrote: »

Masks filter in both directions with equal efficacy, if used with a modicum of intelligence.

Taking temperatures is not the answer, given the high level of asymptomatic transmission. Australia hasn't employed mass temperature screening and it's numbers are on par with Singapore, South Korea, Japan, and China's bogus figures.

It's not about filtration, but reducing the velocity of exhaled droplets.

cnocbui · 24-04-2020 02:18PM

grogi wrote: »

It's not about filtration, but reducing the velocity of exhaled droplets.

No, it's about filtration.

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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