Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

24-04-2020 11:15AM

growleaves wrote: »

Not everyone can read mate!

Plenty on here it would appear.

ThePopehimself · 24-04-2020 11:16AM

My mother in law was tested in the Nursing Home 9 days ago.

Called the Nursing Home this morning, we still have no results.

(I posted earlier this morning #3404)

Is sometime in excess of 9 days the new improved turnaround in testing time?!

timmy_mallet · 24-04-2020 11:17AM

DubInMeath wrote: »

You won't find a post from me demanding that the army be brought out for anything.

Your comfortable with people dying from this but perhaps not your investments going by your posts. Just be honest if you want to be taken seriously.

I don't have any investments. 0. A functioning society with school, education, sport, music, socialising is more important. And the trade-off with the risk of any respiratory disease is worth having.

is_that_so · 24-04-2020 11:18AM

ThePopehimself wrote: »

My mother in law was tested in the Nursing Home 9 days ago.

Called the Nursing Home this morning, we still have no results.

(I posted earlier this morning #3404)

Is sometime in excess of 9 days the new improved turnaround in testing time?!

Maybe ask HSE Live?

https://www.hse.ie/eng/hselive/
Or Harris directly or via your local TD?

ridonkulous · 24-04-2020 11:18AM

walshb wrote: »

I know the guidelines....

And I am well aware not everyone will stick to them.....such is life, and Holohan and co. also know some people will flout them.

Specifically relating to Holohan and co, what are they moaning about? What evidence are they using for their recent gripe around the abidance of restrictions?

Google data no doubt.

timmy_mallet · 24-04-2020 11:19AM

ridonkulous wrote: »

Google data no doubt.

Apparently telecos are sharing your (i assume anonymised) data with the government.

is_that_so · 24-04-2020 11:20AM

ridonkulous wrote: »

Google data no doubt.

No, seismic data, city cameras and traffic sensors.

24-04-2020 11:23AM

wakka12 wrote: »

Hard to know whats going on in Russia. It appears like cases are growing quickly, but they have tested an astounding number of people, literally several million people

Test per million indicate they are about average and well behind Ireland for example

Drumpot · 24-04-2020 11:25AM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Most people end up like that, because they chase more money with promotions or higher paying jobs... they convince themselves that they need the extra money for this that and the other... but in reality TIME is the commodity that is in shorter supply than money!

I've walked away from a job, because the manager was unhappy that I didn't stay late or jump through hoops to get up the ladder. It was seen as lacking ambition, but actually I was just content with my job & hours and the free time I had for other things. The higher pay wasn't worth the drawbacks - but some people just can't understand anyone that thinks that way! (Who turns down more money, right?)

That’s actually a great way to live. People don’t really think about the “what would I regret if I was on my deathbed Thinking about life decisions”.. if you read top 10 things people dieing regret, it’s never that they didn’t work harder for a promotion or spend more time in work.

I think that’s why I abhor the rat race society we have built. And people don’t seem to realise that it doesn’t have to be like this, this is just the way we have been programmed to live in the world. It’s another form of feudalism but most of us in western democracies are thrown enough comforts and enough distractions (Mortgages/loans, Financial crisis down to mismanagement/greed) to not bother challanging it.

Sorry, back to discussions on the inconvenient virus that is upsetting economies to the point where we will have to probably let people die so economies can get back up and running....

ridonkulous · 24-04-2020 11:27AM

is_that_so wrote: »

No, seismic data, city cameras and traffic sensors.

http://www.rfi.fr/en/science-and-technology/20200403-google-publishes-location-data-for-governments-to-see-effect-of-covid-19-confinement-measures

is_that_so · 24-04-2020 11:28AM

ridonkulous wrote: »

http://www.rfi.fr/en/science-and-technology/20200403-google-publishes-location-data-for-governments-to-see-effect-of-covid-19-confinement-measures

Sure that's out there but that's not the evidence they presented yesterday.

ek motor · 24-04-2020 11:29AM

is_that_so wrote: »

As hope for one candidate vaccine fades another one rises. Very early days in it.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/covid-19-vaccine-protects-monkeys-new-coronavirus-chinese-biotech-reports

A welcome glimmer of hope !

stephenjmcd · 24-04-2020 11:29AM

is_that_so wrote: »

No, seismic data, city cameras and traffic sensors.

They did use apple maps data too.
Good thread here
https://twitter.com/andyazi/status/1253615606261260288?s=19

Fr_Dougal · 24-04-2020 11:31AM

I have a feeling today’s reported deaths will be almost twice yesterday’s.

Danonino. · 24-04-2020 11:32AM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Most people end up like that, because they chase more money with promotions or higher paying jobs... they convince themselves that they need the extra money for this that and the other... but in reality TIME is the commodity that is in shorter supply than money!

I've walked away from a job, because the manager was unhappy that I didn't stay late or jump through hoops to get up the ladder. It was seen as lacking ambition, but actually I was just content with my job & hours and the free time I had for other things. The higher pay wasn't worth the drawbacks - but some people just can't understand anyone that thinks that way! (Who turns down more money, right?)

I’ve walked away from a few for the same reason. Some worse than others. Like a 60 hour week not showing enough commitment... ha ha get furked.

I asked for a 4 day working week in another. More than happy to take a days hit in wages and in an industry where the days output from myself wouldn’t be missed (it would instantly be snapped up as voluntary overtime anyways) it was seen as a crazy suggestion. You must be bat **** insane to be able to live comfortably on less wages and fill days with chores, hobbies and things you enjoy... you’ll never afford a Jaguar or twice yearly holidays. Madness

BloodBath · 24-04-2020 11:32AM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I have a feeling today’s reported deaths will be almost twice yesterday’s.

That's the spirit!

tobefrank321 · 24-04-2020 11:36AM

Just in terms of prevalence, the 936 cases yesterday would equate to about 12,000 new cases in Italy.

And those 936 cases were mainly in nursing homes, hospital settings, medical staff and their close contacts.

Its not something to be totally alarmed about, as it still seems like the vast majority are mild cases, given the low ICU and hospitalisation rates.

eagle eye · 24-04-2020 11:37AM

Fr_Dougal wrote:

I have a feeling todayâ€™s reported deaths will be almost twice yesterdayâ€™s.

How do you get these feelings?

walshb · 24-04-2020 11:37AM

DubInMeath wrote: »

What evidence do you have that people don't understand the guidelines, that's what you claimed in your post. I simply claimed it was a piss poor excuse by some people, the same ones you said will flout them.

I see....wires crossed

I guess what I meant was that if Holohan and co are annoyed now, what are they annoyed about? They said people (most people) can leave the house.....that is D only real rule here. I have not heard of any real relaxation on this.....just seeing more people out...that is all..but there is no rule against this...

The whole "leave the house only if" is where the nonsense and confusion comes in....because people will use this ambiguity to leave the house....

They made this...they have to accept it...

Has Holohan evidence of rules being flouted? Other than thinking it due to increased vibrations....?

And if this is the reason he is annoyed, then he and co need to revisit what they are telling the general public.

Hence my wondering that maybe it's not anything to do with flouting the rules, but the actual rules themselves.....

eagle eye · 24-04-2020 11:41AM

spookwoman wrote:

Causing blood clots, had a few in here with reports of people they know with clots to lungs, no reason why it can' travel to brain. I will say this virus is a beaut. Approx 50% asymptomatic or very few symptoms so it spreads more because people don't know they have it and are shedding. Those that do get symptoms get different degrees of illness and what we are learning is it's just as insidious by damaging internal organs, eg spleen, kidneys, heart muscle, etc, in healthy people. They even think in severe cases, the virus may enter the brain through the nasal cavity and damage neurons that control breathing. In rare cases swelling in some parts of the brain and kills brain cells in others.

Where do you work?

inforfun · 24-04-2020 11:41AM

Graph of the "extra" deaths after covid-19 entered The Netherlands so far.
The peak in 2018 was due to a "normal" flu .

Week 14 had 1936 more deaths than other years (average)
Week 15 1805
Week 16 1181

Restrictions are similar to Ireland, just introduced a week or 2 later. And of course with 17,5 million people there isnt enough "The Netherlands" to keep 1,5 meter distance

For the stat junkies: https://www.cbs.nl/en-gb/faq/corona/medisch/how-many-deaths-are-registered-per-week-

terenc · 24-04-2020 11:43AM

hmmm wrote: »

The days of calling for ever-increasing restrictions on the public is over, with the current measures we have got control of this (with the exception of nursing homes). We don't need any more of this fake news about people not adhering to the rules, the vast majority have tried their best to be reasonably compliant. It's a great tribute to the country that we didn't need more stringent lockdowns.

The only question now is how much, if any, it is it safe to relax restrictions.

What a load of manure, people like you want to wake up and smell the roses or maybe the corpses

timmy_mallet · 24-04-2020 11:44AM

inforfun wrote: »

Graph of the "extra" deaths after covid-19 entered The Netherlands so far.
The peak in 2018 was due to a "normal" flu .

Week 14 had 1936 more deaths than other years (average)
Week 15 1805
Week 16 1181

Restrictions are similar to Ireland, just introduced a week or 2 later. And of course with 17,5 million people there isnt enough "The Netherlands" to keep 1,5 meter distance

For the stat junkies: https://www.cbs.nl/en-gb/faq/corona/medisch/how-many-deaths-are-registered-per-week-

That yellow line will be well below the blue one in a few months time.

24-04-2020 11:52AM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

That yellow line will be well below the blue one in a few months time.

There is something to be said for the theory that we are borrowing a small proportion of the deaths from the near future. A lot of very old, unwell people will will taken by the next severe respiratory condition they get - they don't call pneumonia old man's friend for nothing. But it is the associated loss of dignity for these old people in been unable to die with the dignity of having their loved one around them that is the most depressing thing from what is happening in care homes. And in not controlling the virus to a degree this becomes even worse

polesheep · 24-04-2020 11:53AM

is_that_so wrote: »

No, seismic data, city cameras and traffic sensors.

He mentioned "Apple devices".

podgeandrodge · 24-04-2020 11:56AM

Deleted User wrote: »

There is something to be said for the theory that we are borrowing a small proportion of the deaths from the near future. A lot of very old, unwell people will will taken by the next severe respiratory condition they get - they don't call pneumonia old man's friend for nothing. But it is the associated loss of dignity for these old people in been unable to die with the dignity of having their loved one around them that is the most depressing thing from what is happening in care homes. And in not controlling the virus to a degree this becomes even worse

Indeed. And it is likely that people with relatives in this situation may treat the virus as (rightly) something to blame, notwithstanding that some deaths may have been imminent in the short term. Like you, not saying this makes it irrelevant, but it is a fact, and this is why continued restrictions for the general population for a long period of time to protect everybody likely at most risk from the virus will likely not happen.

In terms of statistics, has any study been done on 'normal' rates of deaths in care/nursing homes vis a vis current rates of death during this crisis?

Hrududu · 24-04-2020 11:59AM

walshb wrote: »

I see....wires crossed

I guess what I meant was that if Holohan and co are annoyed now, what are they annoyed about? They said people (most people) can leave the house.....that is D only real rule here. I have not heard of any real relaxation on this.....just seeing more people out...that is all..but there is no rule against this...

The whole "leave the house only if" is where the nonsense and confusion comes in....because people will use this ambiguity to leave the house....

They made this...they have to accept it...

Has Holohan evidence of rules being flouted? Other than thinking it due to increased vibrations....?

And if this is the reason he is annoyed, then he and co need to revisit what they are telling the general public.

Hence my wondering that maybe it's not anything to do with flouting the rules, but the actual rules themselves.....

So the argument is that Tony Holohan is annoyed at people flouting the rules, and you have an issue with that because the rules aren't clear? Or that he is annoyed without any proof that people are flouting the rules?

I took a look but I can't spot him giving out about that. But it could be just me not finding it. I did find this report from yesterday: https://www.thejournal.ie/coronavirus-numbers-ireland-5082127-Apr2020/ in which it says

Chief Medical Officer Dr Tony Holohan has warned against complacency over the next two weeks, as we approach 5 May when restrictions may be slightly relaxed.

Holohan said that if he were asked to make a decision today whether they should lift restrictions on 5 May, they would be advising against lifting restrictions.

“It will take very little indeed for us to lose the good work we have done. There’s no sense in which we have achieved something here that couldn’t all be undone very quickly.”

Which just sounds like he's telling people not to get complacent. Is that what you mean?

Cork Boy 53 · 24-04-2020 12:01PM

walshb wrote: »

Unreal...

Was Trump entertaining this?

Yes he is and no doubt some of his supporter base will give it a go.

Harry Palmr · 24-04-2020 12:02PM

lak wrote: »

The good weather although very welcome, doesn't help with compliance to the restrictions. If it was cold and wet outside most people will tend to stay in when very few places,and none entertaining, are opened.

Next week will test that theory as the weather is going rapidly downhill - Atlantic back in charge for the week.

Rob A. Bank · 24-04-2020 12:02PM

is_that_so wrote: »

No, seismic data, city cameras and traffic sensors.

Surely the seismic data depends on where the sensors are located ?

Would a child skipping close to the sensor would have a greater effect than traffic farther away ?

Any seismologist here ?

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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