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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • #3512
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Given that we’ve decided that we will have to live with it and that current restrictions are costing the economy a great deal, how much will we save?

    No offence meant, save your outrage for whoever released it. As in this thing clearly has a panache for pensioners. Most of the deaths will occur here and their pensionable life will be curtailed (as will all of ours).

    In a bookkeeping sense will it offset some of the economic costs?

    The government are bullsh*tting us when they say community transmission is low, or almost non existent. We will see this when testing is expanded to include community testing, something which isn't even included in current eligibility guidelines. If it was low nursing home rates would also be low - they use this logic themselves, the best way to keep nursing home infections down is to keep community infections down - by that same logic its clear community infections are not low.

    The antibody tests when they arrive here well tell us the full picture of community prevalence.

    I'm not sure what the government strategy is from here. They need to decide for one, if this is far more prevalent than everyone thought and milder, is there any point continuing with a lockdown.


  • #3513
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,523 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Only leave for essential items (food mainly) Exercise withing 2km of your home. Don't mix with other house holds. Rules are clear. This is just an excuse to complain about the Government

    They are "clear," but it's the rules themselves that will lend to people being out and about....

    Anyone could say they are out for this, that or the other....

    There is no staggered rules here where only this amount or that amount of people can be out at any one time

    If many many people are out, and all are out for their walk or to shop or to bring items to elderly relatives, then tough ****, Holohan and co. These are the rules. You said it was ok to leave the house for this, that and the other....

    There really are no rules....people are out more and more, but there is no rule against this.....we are allowed out...

    Can leave the house, can't leave the house, can go the shop, can't go the shop and on and on and on......

    What are they moaning about now because there appears to be more vibrations being recorded......nonsense.

    The authorities are moaning because of vibrations....it's that simple, and silly...people are allowed out......that is the only rule applicable in this maze...


  • #3514
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    When test eligibility is expanded new cases will rocket.

    However, this is not necessarily a bad thing if hospitalisations and ICU admissions remain relatively low or manageable. It means that most people are getting over this. It also means the prevalence is more widespread than we thought. And it means that the fatality rate is likely far lower than we thought.

    Professor Moynagh said he thought there might be ten times the cases out there, or 160,000. And with deaths at about 800, this gives a fatality rate of 0.5%.

    I agree with this, and Dr Nolan said as much before for every 1 case found there are many more. Just have to look at NYC and the sample of the population done there to see how widespread it was / is.

    Would not be a surprise to me for there to be that 160k cases figure that you mentioned.


  • #3515
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Some people are comfortable with the sacrificing of life. We don't have any 'small sacrifice to save lives' for the 100,000+ people per year that die of other respiratory virus and still manage to get on with it.

    It is possible more people will die of cancer, suicide, heart attacks, strokes and/or other stress related illnesses than covid19 here by avoiding hospital appointments and consultations.

    Its not straightforward to say if everyone stays at home, it will save lives. Its more complicated than that.

    You have to find a way to protect nursing homes and those susceptible to covid19 while also allowing everyone else to get back to work. Its a conundrum most countries are struggling with.


  • #3516
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/abadnfluenz/status/1253488964939534344

    Makes me think of chief Dreyfuss going mad while having to deal with the bumbling inspector Clouseau

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  • #3517
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    I agree with this, and Dr Nolan said as much before for every 1 case found there are many more. Just have to look at NYC and the sample of the population done there to see how widespread it was / is.

    Would not be a surprise to me for there to be that 160k cases figure that you mentioned.

    I've heard this numerous times, the 0.5%, smells like this is an unpublished 'fact', and it's not being communicated to stop people going wild.


  • #3518
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    walshb wrote: »
    People flouting the rules is not the problem....the bloody rules are....nobody knows the bloody things....the government were never firm from day 1; constantly trying to please everyone...

    In fairness that's a piss poor excuse.

    Can people not read, or is the reading comprehension of the state that bad that they can't follow the bullet points in the literature?

    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/cf9b0d-new-public-health-measures-effective-now-to-prevent-further-spread-o/

    They seem fairly simple to me, my family and friends. We've had plenty of posters on here saying that they won't/don't obey the 2km restriction for exercise because of x reason. They understand the rules they just decide to be a dick and not follow them.

    Other stuff regarding masks for example yeah I can understand confusion as they have advice being given in the media from other countries etc, but putting on a mask and gloves in a safe and sterile manner is more difficult than people think, medics, vets etc are examined on how to do so.

    Then you have the likes of the daily fail saying that ventilators are deathtraps with some people commenting under the stories that they will refuse to be put on one if needed. If they are serious then good enough the world needs less idiots.


  • #3519
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    I've heard this numerous times, the 0.5%, smells like this is an unpublished 'fact', and it's not being communicated to stop people going wild.
    More like because it's unknown. The people directly involved tend not to guess at it, but lots of other "experts" have.


  • #3520
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Yes, and are we comfortable with that? Some people are.

    You certainly appear to be.


  • #3521
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,523 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    In fairness that's a piss poor excuse.

    Can people not read, or is the reading comprehension of the state that bad that they can't follow the bullet points in the literature?

    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/cf9b0d-new-public-health-measures-effective-now-to-prevent-further-spread-o/

    They seem fairly simple to me, my family and friends. We've had plenty of posters on here saying that they won't/don't obey the 2km restriction for exercise because of x reason. They understand the rules they just decide to be a dick and not follow them.

    Other stuff regarding masks for example yeah I can understand confusion as they have advice being given in the media from other countries etc, but putting on a mask and gloves in a safe and sterile manner is more difficult than people think, medics, vets etc are examined on how to do so.

    Then you have the likes of the daily fail saying that ventilators are deathtraps with some people commenting under the stories that they will refuse to be put on one if needed. If they are serious then good enough the world needs less idiots.

    Ok, what rules are being broken....not a feeling, actual credible evidence of rules being broken? Is it the increase in vibrations? But, there is no rule around this....


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  • #3522
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    You certainly appear to be.

    And?


  • #3523
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    https://twitter.com/TodaySOR/status/1253614723796475904?s=19

    The fact that this even has to be said


  • #3524
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,523 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/TodaySOR/status/1253614723796475904?s=19

    The fact that this even has to be said

    Unreal...

    Was Trump entertaining this?


  • #3525
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    I agree with this, and Dr Nolan said as much before for every 1 case found there are many more. Just have to look at NYC and the sample of the population done there to see how widespread it was / is.

    Would not be a surprise to me for there to be that 160k cases figure that you mentioned.

    Theories seem to range between 2x (nolan) and 16x (spain estimate) confirmed cases. If the 10x in New York is about correct, you could theorise that Dublin has 80,000 cases. This would obviously be welcome as it's not as dangerous as thought, and 'only' 2-4% require hospitalisation. But that still means 18,000 – 36,000 requiring hospital to get to 70% of population. How can you spread that along a manageable timeline with a very delicate lifting of restrictions?


  • #3526
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    is_that_so wrote: »
    More like because it's unknown. The people directly involved tend not to guess at it, but lots of other "experts" have.

    Would you accept the word of "experts" in South Korea who had up until recently the most widespread testing in the world and came up with a figure of 0.37%?

    Sounds like you never read experts yourself.


  • #3527
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    And?

    What and? you appear from your posts to be very comfortable with people dying from this and removing the restrictions that are helping to reduce the level of deaths.


  • #3528
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    I remember during the last recession sympathising with a lady I know who lost her job not long before that. She said money was tighter but in a way, life was better. Life was calmer. She wasn't rushing about. She was find3the time to do stuff that she didn't have the time for beforehand. She said she used to go to work and weekends were spent doing jobs that are neglected during the week because there was no time. Basically she had more time to cook her meals and clean her home and wash laundry and catch the odd dry day for hanging clothes out.



    People should try and enjoy the calmness and the stillness of life that these restrictions bring.


  • #3529
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    walshb wrote: »
    Ok, what rules are being broken....not a feeling, actual credible evidence of rules being broken? Is it the increase in vibrations? But, there is no rule around this....

    Did you not read my post correctly and the posters regarding the 2km restriction for exercise?

    You claimed that the restrictions weren't understood by people, I'm asking if they can't read or comprehend a simple list.


  • #3530
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,370 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/TodaySOR/status/1253614723796475904?s=19

    The fact that this even has to be said

    Irish people take their advice from our government and the relevant people.

    We don't take advice from foreign governments.

    Let America at it.


  • #3531
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    What and? you appear from your posts to be very comfortable with people dying from this and removing the restrictions that are helping to reduce the level of deaths.

    'Very' comfortable. Yes, love it, death, give me as much as possible. Last refuge of the lockdown lover, complaining others are 'inhumane'. Show me the thread on here were you/people are demanding the army on the street to 'reduce the level of deaths' from other respiratory diseases, and I'll entertain you.


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  • #3532
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,523 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Did you not read my post correctly and the posters regarding the 2km restriction for exercise?

    You claimed that the restrictions weren't understood by people, I'm asking if they can't read or comprehend a simple list.

    I know the guidelines....

    And I am well aware not everyone will stick to them.....such is life, and Holohan and co. also know some people will flout them.

    Specifically relating to Holohan and co, what are they moaning about? What evidence are they using for their recent gripe around the abidance of restrictions?


  • #3533
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Guardian



    Russia meanwhile


    Given that half of all cases are in greater Moscow you'd have to wonder how many cases are simply not known in the sticks.

    Hard to know whats going on in Russia. It appears like cases are growing quickly, but they have tested an astounding number of people, literally several million people


  • #3534
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Trump was correct. You can’t catch Coronavirus when you’re already dead from bleach poisoning.

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  • #3535
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,985 ✭✭✭growleaves


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    You claimed that the restrictions weren't understood by people, I'm asking if they can't read or comprehend a simple list.


    Not everyone can read mate!


  • #3536
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    walshb wrote: »
    I know the guidelines....

    And I am well aware not everyone will stick to them.....such is life, and Holohan and co. also know some people will flout them.

    Specifically relating to Holohan and co, what are they moaning about? What evidence are they using for their recent gripe around the abidance of restrictions?

    What evidence do you have that people don't understand the guidelines, that's what you claimed in your post. I simply claimed it was a piss poor excuse by some people, the same ones you said will flout them.


  • #3537
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    As hope for one candidate vaccine fades another one rises. Very early days in it.

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/covid-19-vaccine-protects-monkeys-new-coronavirus-chinese-biotech-reports


  • #3538
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Gretas Gonna Get Ya!


    owlbethere wrote: »
    I remember during the last recession sympathising with a lady I know who lost her job not long before that. She said money was tighter but in a way, life was better. Life was calmer. She wasn't rushing about. She was find3the time to do stuff that she didn't have the time for beforehand. She said she used to go to work and weekends were spent doing jobs that are neglected during the week because there was no time. Basically she had more time to cook her meals and clean her home and wash laundry and catch the odd dry day for hanging clothes out.



    People should try and enjoy the calmness and the stillness of life that these restrictions bring.

    Most people end up like that, because they chase more money with promotions or higher paying jobs... they convince themselves that they need the extra money for this that and the other... but in reality TIME is the commodity that is in shorter supply than money!

    I've walked away from a job, because the manager was unhappy that I didn't stay late or jump through hoops to get up the ladder. It was seen as lacking ambition, but actually I was just content with my job & hours and the free time I had for other things. The higher pay wasn't worth the drawbacks - but some people just can't understand anyone that thinks that way! (Who turns down more money, right?)


  • #3539
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    growleaves wrote: »
    Not everyone can read mate!

    And some people who can read are belligerent morons.


  • #3540
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,489 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    growleaves wrote: »
    Not everyone can read mate!

    They are on mass repeat on all radio stations and TV stations.

    Unless you are incapable through disability, you should know the simple guidelines.


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  • #3541
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    'Very' comfortable. Yes, love it, death, give me as much as possible. Last refuge of the lockdown lover, complaining others are 'inhumane'. Show me the thread on here were you/people are demanding the army on the street to 'reduce the level of deaths' from other respiratory diseases, and I'll entertain you.

    You won't find a post from me demanding that the army be brought out for anything.

    Your comfortable with people dying from this but perhaps not your investments going by your posts. Just be honest if you want to be taken seriously.


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