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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • #3452
    lalababa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭lalababa


    the.red.baron wrote: »
    most people are just concerned that they can pay bills or might still have a job or business or school after this than the need to go to the pub




    We can all live without going on a holiday individually but can the likes of Kerry or even Spain?

    Kerry ..New businesses maybe. Anybody that's been riding the golden goose for awhile can weather this out. Anyway where will Irish people go for a holiday?


  • #3453
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,620 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    walshb wrote: »
    Took me bit of time to realize it, but Trump is not the problem. The people of the U.S. are.

    Trump brings out the worst of the US, the hyper patriotic, gun toting lunatic.

    Unfortunately Biden is a spineless charisma void and wouldnt win a pillow fight let alone an election.


  • #3454
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Alot of concerts being rescheduled for next year... I really don't see anything back to normal until we have a cure or vaccine. How is rescheduling until next year any better when we don't have any cure or vaccine yet?

    Would 2022 be more of a realistic year to getting back to normal and that's if they find a vaccine soon enough... by soon enough I mean next year or so?


  • #3455
    Fiery mutant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    I think Biden’s best years were as Obama’s 2ic. His health has deteriorated since, and it’s noticeable in his speech.

    The reason he won’t beat Trump, is because Trump speaks to the lowest common denominator, of which the US has plenty. This period has really brought out to me how nasty US politics really is, and just how that is reflected in much of its populace.

    Biden may not be great, but he is a much better person than Trump. Trump is a nasty piece of work, and if you were dealing with him in a bar, you would be itching to knock his teeth out.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • #3456
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Alot of concerts being rescheduled for next year... I really don't see anything back to normal until we have a cure or vaccine. How is rescheduling until next year any better when we don't have any cure or vaccine yet?

    Would 2022 be more of a realistic year to getting back to normal and that's if they find a vaccine soon enough... by soon enough I mean next year or so?

    I'd hazard a guess it's kicking the can down the road to avoid issuing refunds.


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  • #3457
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    jesus_thats_gre wrote: »
    Increasingly starting to believe that this flattening the curve period was purely to buy enough time to dramatically expand the capabilities of the health service.. in preperation for subsequent waves.
    fritzelly wrote: »
    Are you being sarcastic or are you for real?


    Well I think he isn't far wrong - a WHO rep was on television last night saying just that - that flattening was allowing nations to improve their health service while coping with a lower volume of cases in the intervening period.


  • #3458
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Alot of concerts being rescheduled for next year... I really don't see anything back to normal until we have a cure or vaccine. How is rescheduling until next year any better when we don't have any cure or vaccine yet?

    Would 2022 be more of a realistic year to getting back to normal and that's if they find a vaccine soon enough... by soon enough I mean next year or so?

    There may never be a vaccine. If society wants any semblance of normality, it better get used to living alongside it.


  • #3459
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,523 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Vicxas wrote: »
    Trump brings out the worst of the US, the hyper patriotic, gun toting lunatic.

    Unfortunately Biden is a spineless charisma void and wouldnt win a pillow fight let alone an election.

    In human terms Biden is still a far more decent type man.

    Trump is a lunatic. And absolute outlier as regards a leader. Dangerous lunatic...

    Anyone now opposing him in the race should be embraced as a replacement.

    I keep hearing people slate Trump, yet make out the opposition to him is as bad; that is so far wrong. The opposition may not be stellar, but by god, anything is better than this man....

    The man is uncontrollable, and all leaders in democracies need to be controlled, whether they like it or not.....Biden would not at all be uncontrollable....

    Seriously, a dosed up invalid would be a better leader than Trump.


  • #3460
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Only just caught up on the Trump briefing but christ almighty - to paraphrase can we subject humans to high heat and UV and inject them with bleach to kill the virus - well yeah but it would kill them.

    Trump speaks too quick and doesn't caution himself with his flippant language. But there is generally something behind what he is saying, even if he gets it all wrong and sounds stupid.

    With the UV, there has been a lot of talk about it, and there is talk about something called UVC that may be beneficial some time in the future....

    See below from a BBC science article:

    There is also a third type: UVC. This relatively obscure part of the spectrum consists of a shorter, more energetic wavelength of light. It is particularly good at destroying genetic material – whether in humans or viral particles. Luckily, most of us are unlikely to have ever encountered any. That’s because it’s filtered out by ozone in the atmosphere long before it reaches our fragile skin.

    Or that was the case, at least, until scientists discovered that they could harness UVC to kill microorganisms. Since the finding in 1878, artificially produced UVC has become a staple method of sterilisation – one used in hospitals, airplanes, offices, and factories every day. Crucially, it’s also fundamental to the process of sanitising drinking water; some parasites are resistant to chemical disinfectants such as chlorine, so it provides a failsafe.

    Though there hasn’t been any research looking at how UVC affects Covid-19 specifically, studies have shown that it can be used against other coronaviruses, such as Sars. The radiation warps the structure of their genetic material and prevents the viral particles from making more copies of themselves.

    As a result, a concentrated form of UVC is now on the front line in the fight against Covid-19. In China, whole buses are being lit up by the ghostly blue light each night, while squat, UVC-emitting robots have been cleaning floors in hospitals. Banks have even been using the light to disinfect their money.

    Recently, scientists have discovered a promising new type of UVC which is less dangerous to handle, and still lethal to viruses and bacteria. Far-UVC has a shorter wavelength than regular UVC, and so far, experiments with human skin cells in the lab have shown that it doesn’t damage their DNA (more research is needed to be sure).

    On the other hand, bacteria and viruses don’t come off as well, because they are small enough for the light to reach. One study found that it could prevent mouse wounds from becoming infected with the superbug MRSA, while another found that it could kill flu viruses suspended in the air.

    However, the vast majority of the UVC lamps on the market don’t use far-UVC yet – and again, it hasn’t been tested in actual humans, just on our cells in petri dishes and other animals. So this type of radiation probably won’t help you during the current pandemic either.

    Not trying to defend Trump, but he spews out stuff sometimes that may have their origin in some facts, albeit he chews them up.

    Full article here if anyone interested.

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200327-can-you-kill-coronavirus-with-uv-light


  • #3461
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    walshb wrote: »
    Took me bit of time to realize it, but Trump is not the problem. The people of the U.S. are.

    That's a little unfair... A majority of US citizens voted against him.

    If it was not for the fiddle factor of the electoral college and he would not have won in any 'normal' democracy.

    The US Republican Party are the ones to blame for the orange oaf.


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  • #3462
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,523 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    That's a little unfair... A majority of US citizens voted against him.

    If it was not for the fiddle factor of the electoral college and he would not have won in any 'normal' democracy.

    The US Republican Party are the ones to blame for the orange oaf.

    Millions and millions voted for him.

    I was more talking about the powers that be in America....it really does say a lot for the powers that be, that can allow this man to run wild....that is what he is doing, running wild......

    The very fact that his party had him onboard says it all to me about what kind of people are running America.


  • #3463
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    There may never be a vaccine. If society wants any semblance of normality, it better get used to living alongside it.

    I'm hoping there will be. There's vaccines for some animal coronaviruses like for cows.


  • #3464
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I'm hoping there will be. There's vaccines for some animal coronaviruses like for cows.

    Thats the cowonavirus youre thinking of :P


  • #3465
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Alot of concerts being rescheduled for next year... I really don't see anything back to normal until we have a cure or vaccine. How is rescheduling until next year any better when we don't have any cure or vaccine yet?

    Would 2022 be more of a realistic year to getting back to normal and that's if they find a vaccine soon enough... by soon enough I mean next year or so?

    Because there might never be a vaccine, we all hope there will be and everyone seems optimistic but theres the chance there wont be.

    At some point normality will resume without one, that's been fairly widely stated now.

    An effective treatment is quite possibly going to be found before a vaccine..


  • #3466
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Because there might never be a vaccine, we all hope there will be and everyone seems optimistic but theres the chance there wont be.

    At some point normality will resume without one, that's better fairly widely stated now.

    An effective treatment is quite possibly going to be found before a vaccine..

    How will things ever get back to normal living with it? There's no normal while the virus is here.


  • #3467
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Because there might never be a vaccine, we all hope there will be and everyone seems optimistic but theres the chance there wont be.

    At some point normality will resume without one, that's better fairly widely stated now.

    An effective treatment is quite possibly going to be found before a vaccine..

    Or the virus will mutate and disappear, or we become immune. Either way, we have to try become comfortable with the outcomes, like we are with other virus.


  • #3468
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    How will things ever get back to normal living with it? There's no normal while the virus is here.

    When society becomes comfortable with the trade-offs.


  • #3469
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I'm hoping there will be. There's vaccines for some animal coronaviruses like for cows.

    Coronavirus is just a descriptive term for what the virus looks like, a blob with spikes looking vaguely like a crown (corona) under electron microscopy.

    The one in cows is apparently very much different to the human/bat virus which is afflicting us now, so the cow vaccine may not hold much hope, unfortunately.


  • #3470
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    When society becomes comfortable with the trade-offs.

    Yes, I think there is a bit of truth to this. Human Nature will ultimately be that life has to go on, and this sense will prevail over measures to save those that may otherwise be saved through the measures that can't go on forever.


  • #3471
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    How will things ever get back to normal living with it? There's no normal while the virus is here.

    You think it's going to be completely gotten rid of ? It wont be eradicated.

    Listen to the WHO even who are saying that yes we'll have to live along side it.

    So if theres no vaccine we all just stay at home for what the next 2, 3 years, no chance. There will be a new normality of people more aware of their surroundings and much more conscious of their health and of those around them.


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  • #3472
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    How will things ever get back to normal living with it? There's no normal while the virus is here.
    If a treatment is found which can push symptoms down to the very mild end of things for almost everyone who contracts it we'll be fine.


  • #3473
    lalababa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭lalababa


    Fiery mutant wrote: »
    I think Biden’s best years were as Obama’s 2ic. His health has deteriorated since, and it’s noticeable in his speech.

    The reason he won’t beat Trump, is because Trump speaks to the lowest common denominator, of which the US has plenty. This period has really brought out to me how nasty US politics really is, and just how that is reflected in much of its populace.

    Biden may not be great, but he is a much better person than Trump. Trump is a nasty piece of work, and if you were dealing with him in a bar, you would be itching to knock his teeth out.

    It's always been nasty, but now it's like nasty, Ill mannered, stupid,low life and nuts. I was very surprised they voted Bush Jr. in, and gave up on them when they did it a 2nd time. And look how they've progressed.


  • #3474
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Yes, I think there is a bit of truth to this. Human Nature will ultimately be that life has to go on, and this sense will prevail over measures to save those that may otherwise be saved through the measures that can't go on forever.

    We do it with the flu (don't compare this to the flu!), while this seems this is minimum x5 more deadly, there is a point at which we have enough public health capacity to support it and populations become comfortable/numb to the loss of life.


  • #3475
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    You think it's going to be completely gotten rid of ? It wont be eradicated.

    Listen to the WHO even who are saying that yes we'll have to live along side it.

    So if theres no vaccine we all just stay at home for what the next 2, 3 years, no chance. There will be a new normality of people more aware of their surroundings and much more conscious of their health and of those around them.

    Horse has bolted on 0 cases. It's with us forever now.


  • #3476
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Or the virus will mutate and disappear, or we become immune. Either way, we have to try become comfortable with the outcomes, like we are with other virus.

    I agree, that's my point. Can't live in fear forever


  • #3477
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Simon Harris on TV last night about relaxing restrictions, until they broaden the criteria and test more, restrictions are here.

    Considering the focus is on nursing homes, how can they ever broaden the criteria to test more people?


    Independent news piece today, longer lockdown because people are flouting rules.

    Why are they blaming people when they're looking for positivity and being told how well we're doing... But they're very much at fault here as well, we need more testing of the population which isn't going to happen in the next week.


  • #3478
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,118 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Fiery mutant wrote: »
    Trump is a nasty piece of work, and if you were dealing with him in a bar, you would be itching to knock his teeth out.

    https://twitter.com/abadnfluenz/status/1253488964939534344


  • #3479
    eldamo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,134 ✭✭✭eldamo


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Masks don’t work......

    https://twitter.com/cosspeter/status/1253413565173661701?s=21


    of course they help, there just aren't nearly enough to go around and if it is announced that everyone should wear them some arschloch is gonna go out and buy up every last one of them.


    If we could all have a steady supply it would help, until that point, let the front line workers have them


  • #3480
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,523 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    People flouting the rules is not the problem....the bloody rules are....nobody knows the bloody things....the government were never firm from day 1; constantly trying to please everyone...


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  • #3481
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Simon Harris on TV last night about relaxing restrictions, until they broaden the criteria and test more, restrictions are here.

    Considering the focus is on nursing homes, how can they ever broaden the criteria to test more people?


    Independent news piece today, longer lockdown because people are flouting rules.

    Why are they blaming people when they're looking for positivity and being told how well we're doing... But they're very much at fault here as well, we need more testing of the population which isn't going to happen in the next week.

    Testing criteria could well be broadened today, it's being discussed at NPHET today and they decide after that, I'd suspect if they change it then it kicks in from say Monday. Even with nursing homes being tested they have spare capacity, about 5k spare at the moment as per one of this weeks press conferences.

    The independent is behind a pay wall. I've seen the article, all it states is what the CMO said yesterday that if today was 5th May things wouldn't be lifted.

    Honestly think your reading way too much into the headlines and to what the likes of Harris said. He says something different every day of the week.

    We can't test everyone, we tried it at the start and look what happened, everyone with a sniffle looked for a test.


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