Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

cloudatlas · 23-04-2020 02:38PM

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 23-04-2020 02:39PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Peak of this wave. The world is in this for the long haul,it is just the beginning, there will be an entire year of waves/lockdown (of varying severity) until a vaccine is found

IF a vaccine is found, this is not guaranteed.

I'd be more hopeful of them finding a successful treatment in the short term.

Rob A. Bank · 23-04-2020 02:40PM

rm212 wrote: »

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20065920v1.full.pdf

I know it is a small and limited (potentially somewhat flawed) study so it can't be taken as gospel or anything, but even still, the findings there are bizarre and worrying...

A total of 368 patients were evaluated (HC, n=97; HC+AZ, n=113; no HC, n=158). Rates of death in the HC, HC+AZ, and no HC groups were 27.8%, 22.1%, 11.4%, respectively. Rates of ventilation in the HC, HC+AZ, and no HC groups were 13.3%, 6.9%, 14.1%, respectively.

Even for a small study of a few hundred, that increase in death rate where hydroxcholorquine is being administered as a treatment is massive and must have some significance surely. Definitely looks like the azithromycin assists in avoiding ventilation but the HC just seems to undo it when it comes to death rate. Or perhaps there was another reason why less in the HC+AZ group were ventilated?

A 2.5 times increase in deaths in the unfortunates given Trump's 'wonder drug' hydroxychloroquine, and x2 increase in deaths in the HC+AZ group in that retrospective study

Dr Trump and Fox News are now retreating fast from their previous positions on hydroxychloroquine. The video clips in this article are telling...

https://www.vox.com/2020/4/22/21230982/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-trump-fox-news-hype

tobefrank321 · 23-04-2020 02:43PM

joe_99 wrote: »

USA has closed borders. Every entry has a check point. We have an open border with hundreds of entry points unmanned.

There are it has been mentioned something like 300 roads crossing the border. I'm not saying we should do this, but to control those 300 roads would take no more than 500-600 gardai/army per shift. Its not the insurmountable challenge some claim it to be.

But the cost-benefit of this though would be questionable.

It would be far easier to patrol the ferry services going from the island of Ireland to the UK. The DUP would oppose that though.

Its unlikely there is much cross border traffic these days with all the restrictions around movement. If ever these restrictions are lifted though, its going to be a big problem. You will definitely have southerners heading up north for shopping and vice versa. The border is porous and we may see counties like Donegal, Monaghan, Cavan, Louth and so on see an upsurge post restrictions. Even Dublin will be exposed to movement north and south. And this is how the expected second wave will come about.

owlbethere · 23-04-2020 02:47PM

Drumpot wrote: »

News like this may also slap some common sense into others and may help keep more people compliant with lockdowns.

I dont understand the fear some people have with others discussing the truth, even if it is scary. If 85% of people in ICU in New York are dieing and thats a fact, then its not scaremongering or causing panic , its just stating a fact.

Not just that, its showing how important it is for us to keep as many people out of ICU (with lockdown) and may actually explain a bit why we have big numbers outside of ICU dieing (maybe there is a different criteria in Ireland in getting into ICU then there is in NYC). Maybe there are different ways we can learn from their information with regards to how it correlates with our own.

I guess I just prefer the truth as opposed to being told fairytales or kept in the dark like mushrooms, but I get that ignorance is bliss. (thats not an insult, I really do think when I am ignorant on some things life is easier). There shouldnt be an agenda of accusing people of scaremongering for those of us who are not afraid of discussing the truth, this is an issue I have with people who want to ignore. Ignore it if you want, just dont force those of us who prefer to be informed to have to hide our conversations because "you cant handle the truth " . .

Some media will blow this out of proportion and claim 88% who go to hospital die. Or some other attention grabbing headline.

I agree with you. It is important to keep informed of the facts and the truth and where we are here but we also need to keep a balance too avoid panic and fear.

23-04-2020 02:50PM

owlbethere wrote: »

I'm so sorry for your loss.

Did you live with your dad? Did you get the infection?

No, he was in a nursing home but was doing well. We thought he'd have a few more years.

I was allowed in briefly to see him just before he died but he was very ill and wasn't conscious.

The poor staff are doing everything they can, but they're shocked and traumatised too. I saw one carer slumped over a table crying. The whole thing is just horrific.

Away With The Fairies · 23-04-2020 02:51PM

ek motor wrote: »

Its looking increasingly likely this one does

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/blood-clot-coronavirus-covid-19-patient-lung-heart-kidney-2020-4%3famp

Some guy had his leg amputated due to a clot

JP Liz V1 · 23-04-2020 02:53PM

Flying Fox wrote: »

I lost my dad to this **** of a virus. He had no symptoms until he suddenly got severely ill.

It makes me sick hearing people whinging about the lockdown because they can't go out to a pub or a restaurant. Seeing large numbers of people out and about and not remotely bothered about social distancing. Some people won't get it til it takes one of their own.

I'm very sorry

political analyst · 23-04-2020 02:58PM

Will hairdressers, beauticians and massage therapists be obliged to wear masks when they are eventually allowed to go back to work?

owlbethere · 23-04-2020 02:58PM

Flying Fox wrote: »

No, he was in a nursing home but was doing well. We thought he'd have a few more years.

I was allowed in briefly to see him just before he died but he was very ill and wasn't conscious.

The poor staff are doing everything they can, but they're shocked and traumatised too. I saw one carer slumped over a table crying. The whole thing is just horrific.

Its so sad for you and I'm sorry for your loss. X

BorneTobyWilde · 23-04-2020 03:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Confirmed Flu cases, you know where take a swab, take it to the lab, test the sample and confirm it was influenza. These were coronavirus how?

Eh these people were dead and buried before Covid 19 was even discovered or named. They don't test people with flu, it's just a given in most cases, it's the flu, what else could it be, there was nothing else at the time.

ixoy · 23-04-2020 03:03PM

political analyst wrote: »

Will hairdressers, beauticians and massage therapists be obliged to wear masks when they are eventually allowed to go back to work?

I'd hope so!

BorneTobyWilde · 23-04-2020 03:05PM

political analyst wrote: »

Will hairdressers, beauticians and massage therapists be obliged to wear masks when they are eventually allowed to go back to work?

Hairdressers, beauticians, therapists should by nature just wear a mask, in fact before all this kicked off I saw nail saloons wearing them, why not, dentists too should wear them

owlbethere · 23-04-2020 03:06PM

I wonder did nurses and doctors and other healthcare workers get sick before all this came about. Like back in December or January, were healthcare professionals getting sick?

Either here in Ireland, the North, or the UK?

Surely that could give some sort of an indication that this covid19 was circulating before it was discovered as a new contagious viral infection?

Cork Boy 53 · 23-04-2020 03:07PM

political analyst wrote: »

Will hairdressers, beauticians and massage therapists be obliged to wear masks when they are eventually allowed to go back to work?

I think it should be mandatory that they and also the clients/customers do so. Whether the authorities will implement that is another thing.

BorneTobyWilde · 23-04-2020 03:07PM

I think it's an absolute given that the high '' flu'' rates in the likes of New York and Lombardy in nov, dec, were partly Covid, except Covid did not exist. So how would the have been testing for a virus that they did not know existed.

wakka12 · 23-04-2020 03:07PM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

The New York ICU/ventilator stats are skewed by the fact that 'resolved' cases will include proportionately more deaths, i.e. it takes longer to recover than to die.

Thats not necessarily true. Average time from symptoms to death for most patients who experience complications is two weeks, average clinical recovery for mild patients is also two weeks

Fr_Dougal · 23-04-2020 03:08PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Hairdressers, beauticians, the rapists should by nature just wear a mask, in fact before all this kicked off I saw nail saloons wearing them, why not, dentists too should wear them

The what now?

23-04-2020 03:08PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Eh these people were dead and buried before Covid 19 was even discovered or named. They don't test people with flu, it's just a given in most cases, it's the flu, what else could it be, there was nothing else at the time.

It was in the link you posted yourself when you made your point. i.e 77% increase in confirmed tested cases after testing

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/12/26/flu-nyc-department-of-health-flu-symptoms-flu-shot/

The number of new confirmed flu cases in New York just for the week ending Dec. 14 was 3,264, which is a 77% increase. Of those 3,264 cases, 2,028 were in New York City, 319 were on Long Island and 119 were in Westchester.

Dr. Dyan Hes, medical director at Gramercy Pediatrics, said the number of people who have the flu is likely even higher than the number of confirmed cases, since not everyone who comes in with symptoms is tested.

KindOfIrish · 23-04-2020 03:09PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Angela Merkel saying it's just the beginning ... that's right, Germany has passed the peak but it;s just the beginning.
I swear some politicians are just loving the panic and misery

I'm surprised majority people don't understand that all politicians are control freaks and power addicts. Now it's the time of their lives. They are going to do anything to extend the restriction of our freedoms and rights for as long as possible.

wakka12 · 23-04-2020 03:09PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I think it's an absolute given that the high '' flu'' rates in the likes of New York and Lombardy in nov, dec, were partly Covid, except Covid did not exist. So how would the have been testing for a virus that they did not know existed.

Other posters earlier were saying the death rate in Lombardy from COVID is high because the flu season was so mild that there were a lot of frail people around who hadnt 'died off' yet. So which is it?

COVID was being tested for throughout Europe in January and Februrary, not large numbers of tests, but at least a couple would have cropped up as positives, but there was only a tiny handful confirmed throughout the whole continent until March

Cork Boy 53 · 23-04-2020 03:10PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Hairdressers, beauticians, the rapists should by nature just wear a mask, in fact before all this kicked off I saw nail saloons wearing them, why not, dentists too should wear them

You might want to edit your post.:eek:

celt262 · 23-04-2020 03:11PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Hairdressers, beauticians, the rapists should by nature just wear a mask, in fact before all this kicked off I saw nail saloons wearing them, why not, dentists too should wear them

Rapists?

the.red.baron · 23-04-2020 03:12PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Hairdressers, beauticians, the rapists should by nature just wear a mask, in fact before all this kicked off I saw nail saloons wearing them, why not, dentists too should wear them

analrapists?

Away With The Fairies · 23-04-2020 03:12PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Yep. Thats thing thing with this being so infectious. If they were just eliminating themselves it'd be no issue but they are infecting and endangering others from their stupidity.

It's people that think they are fine because they have no symptoms. You have to treat everyone including yourself as if you're infected.

23-04-2020 03:12PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I think it's an absolute given that the high '' flu'' rates in the likes of New York and Lombardy in nov, dec, were partly Covid, except Covid did not exist. So how would the have been testing for a virus that they did not know existed.

Zero evidence whatsoever and I refer you to your earlier post which confirms for New York at least the knew it was the flu because they tested for it. Also, Covid-19 Symptoms are specific and unlike what is being related by many here

Martina1991 · 23-04-2020 03:13PM

Ash3070 wrote: »

Another thing I was wondering about is testing. She said that they're are testing first thing every time they go in and that results return in about an hour. I'm sure there's some priority given due to how high risk everyone there is, however that seems unusually fast. She's not the most reliable though and frequently gets her facts mixed up. Anyone know how these tests are being managed and if the one hour turnaround is correct?

Ash3070 wrote: »

Yeah, I'm not surprised that it would be prioritised, however when medical professionals are waiting 3-5 days for results, the discrepancy is quite notable. If they can have this kind of turnaround time for high risk patients, then I feel that it should also be extended for medical professionals who are regularly interacting with compromised patients.

She is probably referring to blood tests.

Patients have blood samples taken before their dialysis starts to check their kidney function, among other things. A blood sample is also taken post dialysis to check their that their dialysis was effective.

The turnaround time would be around an hour.

Mic 1972 · 23-04-2020 03:13PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

some people treat this virus as a joke, or that its fake or ‘just a flu’. They disregard it because they would rather be down the pub drinking and making a fool of themselves, most people are doing the right thing but it only takes 1 or 2 idiots and it’s costing lives.

Correct, and at the moment there seems to be plenty of idiots going around, numbers are picking up again, this virus is no joke

BorneTobyWilde · 23-04-2020 03:15PM

celt262 wrote: »

Rapists?

I hit space bar in word ''Therapists ''

owlbethere · 23-04-2020 03:16PM

This is a flu graph from Australia up to the 19th of December if anyone wants to make sense of it:

https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/flu-trends-in-australia

Please note, their winter months and probably flu season is June, July, August.

I think they had some flu in December. What needs to be established now is if that is the normal for there if its an increase or decrease in flu cases compared to other years.

Surely that would give an indication if this virus was circulating before it was found to be a new viral infection.

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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