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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • #2282
    coastwatch
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    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    No it's not a joke question. If it can jump from human to cat, can't it jump back to us?

    A cat that is used to roaming about the place, how do you just keep them in all of a sudden. That change in their routine will stress them out.



    No reason why it couldn't be picked up from touching an animal / pet that had been in contact with someone with the virus.
    I think Tony Holohan said as much during a briefing last week.


  • #2283
    [Deleted User]
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    Lets hope the number of cases in acute hospitals and ICUs keep going in the right direction.

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1253065255858647040?s=21


  • #2284
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,032 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    He didnt.

    A big batch coming in at 11pm when there is 1 person on call was a huge workload, on top of their other Microbiology testing.

    This is a problem. The lab is not really working 24/7. One person on call doesn’t really count as a fully operational lab. Is there any plan to hire new staff to work in the lab?


  • #2285
    timmy_mallet
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    Gynoid wrote: »
    https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/corona-you-need-the-sledgehammer-to-bring-down-infections-a-e939bdf1-6485-4c24-b70e-9ee7a5cdf5b0-amp

    "In an interview, Hong Kong-based epidemiologist Gabriel Leung explains why he considers a rapid lifting of contact bans and social distancing measures to be irresponsible. The corona crisis, he believes, will be with us for a long time."

    These are just two quotes I thought particularly interesting. He seems calm and clear.

    DER SPIEGEL: Should young people be allowed to more exposure?

    Leung: Trying to be too clever by half in terms of trying to expose people who are at lower risk in order that they could use herd immunity to protect other people at higher risk -- I think it is not going to work. Unless you have a very, very compliant population and you have a very targeted, almost military precision in how you think people are going to behave.

    DER SPIEGEL: There are reports in Germany, especially among the younger population, that people are not socially distancing nearly enough. Should we be worried?

    Leung: Of course, we should be -- especially when you are in the growth phase of an epidemic. It is absolutely mandatory that if you want to minimize the morbidity and mortality burden that the community-wide acceptance of physical distancing gets very high acceptance at all levels of the population, young and old.

    DER SPIEGEL: So, let’s take a view on our future course of action. Is it suppress and lift, suppress and lift again?

    Leung: Before a vaccine becomes available, I am afraid that is going to be the new normal.

    And...

    DER SPIEGEL: What do scientists need to prepare for to fight this pandemic?

    Leung: You need to have resilience. And to carry with you as a scientist a sense of humanity. Making sure we do the best science and know that we do the best science to keep people safe. And: To be absolutely resilient to external pressures.

    You've managed to take a very negative sping on his comments. The most glaring thing for me, and ine which we are going to struggle with here is that the locdown lovers need to learn to accept death, they accept flu deaths every year without begging for 0 cases and rioting. (Parapharsing Leung)


  • #2286
    igCorcaigh
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    I shut down my family in late February.
    I could see what was coming. I'm not a trained medical expert, I'm not a scientist, just an ordinary man who can read and listen to information and hopefully make the best choice. Our government are supposed too to do that for us, for the greater good and they failed miserably.
    I'm here now at 50 years of age realising that I'm better equipped to manage our country in a time of crisis than the buffoons in Leinster House. I honestly never ever thought I'd say or believe that

    Good on you.

    It's best to be informed and make one's decision within the government guidelines.

    Of course the government guidelines have to be there too, but I treat them as a bare and necessary minimum.

    I won't be pushing boundaries come any release of restrictions.


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  • #2287
    timmy_mallet
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    New Home wrote: »
    I read that as asking whether the virus could jump species, to be honest.

    How do you think it got to humans in the first place?!?


  • #2288
    domrush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭domrush


    eagle eye wrote: »
    I shut down my family in late February.
    I could see what was coming. I'm not a trained medical expert, I'm not a scientist, just an ordinary man who can read and listen to information and hopefully make the best choice. Our government are supposed too to do that for us, for the greater good and they failed miserably.
    I'm here now at 50 years of age realising that I'm better equipped to manage our country in a time of crisis than the buffoons in Leinster House. I honestly never ever thought I'd say or believe that

    This is so overly simplistic. You can’t compare a single family to the entire country.

    Even the WHO have been advising against starting lockdowns too early.


  • #2289
    timmy_mallet
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    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Many people have pets, they can't be dumped and we still have to look after them.

    Not only that, nobody knows if this can spread in cats. It's something to think about, if it can jump to cats, can't it jump back to us?

    I would be extremely surprised if it couldn't.


  • #2290
    New Home
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    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    How do you think it got to humans in the first place?!?

    It's one thing when it jumps ONE species, it's quite another if it KEEPS jumping species and so often - it means more mutations.


  • #2291
    Kermit.de.frog
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    The north's health minister says easing the restrictions there would be made based on "science applicable to Northern Ireland"

    Science applicable to Northern Ireland?

    I hear they do gravity differently there.


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  • #2292
    coastwatch
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    New Home wrote: »
    It's one thing when it jumps ONE species, it's quite another if it KEEPS jumping species and so often - it means more mutations.

    Not "jumping" , just picking it up from cat or dog fur, like any other surface transfer.


  • #2293
    timmy_mallet
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    New Home wrote: »
    It's one thing when it jumps ONE species, it's quite another if it KEEPS jumping species and so often - it means more mutations.

    Maybe the cat was bitten by a bat.
    Maybe the cat needs keeping in a trap.


  • #2294
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    I shut down my family in late February.
    I could see what was coming. I'm not a trained medical expert, I'm not a scientist, just an ordinary man who can read and listen to information and hopefully make the best choice. Our government are supposed too to do that for us, for the greater good and they failed miserably.
    I'm here now at 50 years of age realising that I'm better equipped to manage our country in a time of crisis than the buffoons in Leinster House. I honestly never ever thought I'd say or believe that

    Every other government in Europe, the americas and Australasia made the same assessment. Some of them had advantages of geography, some had few travellers, but all made the same assessment. Late February would have been too late anyway. A lot of the skiers who subsequently tested positive returned from Italy and Austria mid feb. Ischl in Austria had it the end of January.

    The assessment actually made was as much as we believe we can control our environment, we can’t. The virus was going to spread at some stage. Based on what was known in February I believe most countries were going for some sort of herd immunity policy - ie. let it in and control using various levels of social distancing. The data that these assessments were based on inaccurate and incomplete data and it ripped through Europe much faster than anyone had anticipated.


  • #2295
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Lets hope the number of cases in acute hospitals and ICUs keep going in the right direction.

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1253065255858647040?s=21

    Mighty curve flattening there


  • #2296
    Away With The Fairies
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    coastwatch wrote: »
    Not "jumping" , just picking it up from cat or dog fur, like any other surface transfer.

    How did they do a test in cats in New York? I'm hoping tests are wrong in some way.


  • #2297
    MipMap
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    Higgins5473 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/normaburke/status/1252940393903243265?s=21

    Worth reminding ourselves what we have at the helm. This is humiliating.
    Really looking forward to how they spoof their way out of this.
    Poor Guy.


  • #2298
    New Home
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    coastwatch wrote: »
    Not "jumping" , just picking it up from cat or dog fur, like any other surface transfer.

    That would make sense, but if reports are saying "caught" (and I haven't read them), I would take that to mean that the animals themselves were infected rather than contaminated. Those tigers and those dogs, for instance.


  • #2299
    Jim_Hodge
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    Higgins5473 wrote: »

    Worth reminding ourselves what we have at the helm. This is humiliating.

    No reminding necessary. It has been discussed thoroughly here already.


  • #2300
    timsey tiger
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    Higgins5473 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/normaburke/status/1252940393903243265?s=21

    Worth reminding ourselves what we have at the helm. This is humiliating.

    Is that for real. f-me. I'm depressed now.


  • #2301
    Be right back
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    New Home wrote: »
    That would make sense, but if reports are saying "caught" (and I haven't read them), I would take that to mean that the animals themselves were infected rather than contaminated. Those tigers and those dogs, for instance.

    I wonder how the tiger got it though.


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  • #2302
    New Home
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    Be right back wrote: »
    I wonder how the tiger got it though.

    No idea. Contaminated water? Food? Environment?


  • #2303
    Cork Boy 53
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    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    How did they do a test in cats in New York? I'm hoping tests are wrong in some way.

    A tiger in New York Zoo also tested positive as did 2 dogs in Hong Kong one of whom has since died of the virus.


  • #2304
    timmy_mallet
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    Be right back wrote: »
    I wonder how the tiger got it though.

    Joe Exotic said "Carole Baskin" and spit in disgust all over him?


  • #2305
    wakka12
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    Deaths in the Paris metro area now at 5200, with over 2100 in ICU in the city


  • #2306
    [Deleted User]
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    MipMap wrote: »
    Really looking forward to how they spoof their way out of this.
    Poor Guy.

    It’s an unfathomable mistake really when you listen to it. The lesson really is talk to what you know until you know. That question on vaccine development should have been answered with “top experts looking at it....cmo getting daily updates...yadda yadda yadda...I’m confident the experts in the hse are keeping on top of this...” . Vaccine development is not your competence minister so keep your mouth shut until you know something worthwhile


  • #2307
    coastwatch
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    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    How did they do a test in cats in New York? I'm hoping tests are wrong in some way.

    I would guess by swabbing and it's probably true, the virus was/ is very widepread in New York. Could be two cats belonging to deceased owner.

    I think a tiger had been tested positive at a Bronx zoo a few weeks ago.


  • #2308
    domrush
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    A random smattering amongst other animals does not suggest that the disease can jump easily to animals. These animal may have already been sickly/weak. There has not been a more than half a dozen cases of this despite how many humans have been infected.

    It’s not something to be worked up over


  • #2309
    bettyoleary
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    Be right back wrote: »
    I wonder how the tiger got it though.

    He got it from an infected zoo keeper.


  • #2310
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    I shut down my family in late February.
    I could see what was coming. I'm not a trained medical expert, I'm not a scientist, just an ordinary man who can read and listen to information and hopefully make the best choice. Our government are supposed too to do that for us, for the greater good and they failed miserably.
    I'm here now at 50 years of age realising that I'm better equipped to manage our country in a time of crisis than the buffoons in Leinster House. I honestly never ever thought I'd say or believe that

    People have been goading many of us, for pointing out the mistakes made by our government... because the assumption is that we all think we could do a better job. Which many find hilarious!

    But here's the thing, just because you managed to play the political game and get elected into office... this doesn't necessarily mean you are a very competent person with great judgement. You could just be very good at manipulating the political system and making the right friends... and at the same time be a completely useless leader and decision maker under pressure. (which many politicians certain are)

    And on the flipside, someone sitting at home reading and analysing everything from a distance, might have excellent judgement... but have zero inclination towards entering the filthy world of politics...

    I don't know if anyone on here would make a better politician than some of these clowns in office... but I do know that MANY people on here, have been calling things correctly from the very beginning of this thing - while those in government have been getting things wrong. And it's actually not an uncommon occurrence right across the internet... you have all sorts of people with different backgrounds, who quite often see things that others don't see.

    The assumption that someone holding a public office, must be automatically a more capable person than anyone else on the street who might criticise them... sorry no that's just not necessarily the case! There are plenty of capable and intelligent people out in every walk of life, who will never become a public figure... but they could still very well have better judgement than many of those politicians!


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  • #2311
    fullstop
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    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    So you think everyone in the country that reads that headline, will know that there is a licence needed for any gathering over 5,000 people?

    The statement makes it sound very ambiguous... it sounds like it's okay to have gatherings under 5K people. And that's exactly how many will interpret it.

    I'd expect people to try to engage their brain, even just a little bit, without immediately trying to find a way to pick holes and pick an alternative meaning from the statement. But I guess that's asking a bit much, isn't it?


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