Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

spookwoman · 22-04-2020 07:53PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Vitamin C
Vitamin D
Zinc
Pulse oximeter
Loo paper
Cigarettes

Do I need anything else to get over this?

Booze
books
movies
chocolate

dougm1970 · 22-04-2020 07:53PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

49 death 631 new cases

worldometers have 39 deaths listed....mind you they adjust figures a lot for countries during the day

stephenjmcd · 22-04-2020 07:53PM

Harris in his nightly Twitter video saying that Ireland needs to suppress the virus as much as possible and that its possible there might not be a vaccine or one for a while so we need to get back to a level of normality while living alongside the virus for want of a better phase.

It's a bit of a change in tone from his interviews last weekend.

Iamabeliever · 22-04-2020 07:54PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Vitamin C
Vitamin D
Zinc
Pulse oximeter
Loo paper
Cigarettes

Do I need anything else to get over this?

BCG, MMR vaccine,
Facemask,
Less likely to catch the virus with cigarettes, but if you do will mostly likely die,
Etc

Inquitus · 22-04-2020 07:57PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Vitamin C
Vitamin D
Zinc
Pulse oximeter
Loo paper
Cigarettes

Do I need anything else to get over this?

tobefrank321 · 22-04-2020 07:59PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Can you say with certainty that we don’t have the spread under control? Don’t the numbers in hospital plus the numbers in ICU show a more optimistic picture currently? How long ago were todays 631 ‘new’ cases tested for example? 2 or more weeks ago?

You're asking the wrong person.

Its for Holohan to break down where the daily cases were found, community, nursing home, etc.

They do this for the overall figures but not I believe for daily figures. It takes a day or two to work out from totals where cases were found, when they give percentages, but even then its difficult.

I missed most of todays briefing so I'm not sure if they broke down where the new cases were found? It would be helpful if they did.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 22-04-2020 08:00PM

So, let me see if I have this correct... there is a ban on mass gatherings of over 5,000 people until at least the end of the summer. Where did these knuckleheads in our government pluck that particular number from?

How does having a gathering of 4,999 people do anything to mitigate the spread of this virus?

And people can't leave their houses, but you can still have a licenced gathering under 5,000 people? How does that work exactly?

Seems like braindead logic to me... but perhaps someone can correct me if I have the wrong end of the stick here?

ShineOn7 · 22-04-2020 08:02PM

From the Reddit user doing the useful daily digests. All below the line is their words

_____________________________

New Cases: 631
Total Cases: 16671
New Death: 49

Of these 49 deaths the most that occurred on a given day is 14, which occurred on the 20th

Total Deaths: 769

The largest number on a given day looks to be 42 - was difficult to read the graph. I'll try confirm this data.
10 deaths have been de-notified

Male: 26
Female: 18
Median Age: 48
Underlying conditions: 33
Deaths

Deaths: 769
Hospitalised + died in hospital: 386
Died in ICU: 50
Underlying conditions:
Male: 415
Female: 354
Median age: 82
Mean age: 69
Range of ages: 23-105

Age Category Breakdown of Deaths

0-9 - 0
10-19 - 0
20-29 - <5 (won't give exact number to protect anonymity. Last I had seen, this number was 1)
30-39 - <5
40-49 - 12
50-59 - 29
60-69 - 53
70+ - 667

Of 327 in ICU

Remain in ICU: 147
Discharged: 130
Died: 50
Underlying conditions: 271
Median Age: 60

As of Monday 20th

Cases: 15871
In Hospital: 2387
Total In ICU: 327
Currently in ICU: 132
Deaths: 757
Clusters: 507 *Account for XX cases
Median age infected: 46
Healthcare workers: 4393%

Residential Homes (Which include nursing homes)

Clusters: 302
Total cases: 2604
Hospitalised: 281
Deaths: 412

Just Nursing Homes

Clusters: 179
Total cases: 1944
Hospitalised: 190
Deaths: 348

Far more people are recovering in nursing homes, than those dying of Covid-19
HIQA - rapid tech detection system
Different Test methods

Pathogen detection - rt-PCR - long turn around times, approx 6 hours
Antibody tests
New tech which we can leverage - some of them are associated with batch testing and have some degree of automation
Some test methods with shorter turnaround times, which can alleviate the pressure in the labs

ANTIGEN DETECTION

Antigen detection tests (another type of pathogen detection tests) - have had them for years for flu and RSV
Less complex than PCR, faster, easier to use, but less sensitive than PCR.
No performance data on antigen detection - research only until test type is validated
May be used in conjunction if labs under pressure. Used as a rule in - aka if positive, that’s it. If negative, needs to be confirmed by PCR

ANTIBODY

Antibody test - population level immunity or exposure
Will identify those with a sub clinical presentation of the disease, to help modelling
Knowledge gaps relating to antibody testing - many limitations
Don't know yet the adequacy and duration of immunity
Don't know if reinfection can occur
Don't know if it will test positive to other coronaviruses in community
Antibody drift
HIQA endorsing ongoing monitoring for timely and accurately result
Need clinically independent validation of tests, need to see that they perform as expected in Ireland, and ongoing QA program for patients
Comprehensive strategy needed for rapid deployment of tests when they meet the standards, are validated and come available for use.

Questions

If decision was made today, there would not be a recommendation of easing of restrictions? Tony is very concerned about people slacking off in advance of 5th May
2nd wave of infection? We haven't really had a first wave, because of how well we've managed the diseased. If no mitigations, we would have seen 33% growth in cases day on day. We didn’t see that because we had significant measures in place to keep the disease at bay, and eventually get the reproductive rate below 1
631 new cases - how many of these came from residential homes? More detailed info on pathway of nursing homes will be later in the week Encouraging early notifications
Denotified deaths - what does that mean? What is reported daily is provisional, as it is just in. More detailed data comes in after 36 hours. This data is cleaned up, and some of the notifications can change their status. It's not that the death is no longer a death. The person may have been swabbed, died, and upon review of the result they were negative

tobefrank321 · 22-04-2020 08:02PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

So, let me see if I have this correct... there is a ban on mass gatherings of over 5,000 people until at least the end of the summer. Where did these knuckleheads in our government pluck that particular number from?

How does having a gathering of 4,999 people do anything to mitigate the spread of this virus?

And people can't leave their houses, but you can still have a licenced gathering under 5,000 people? How does that work exactly?

Seems like braindead logic to me... but perhaps someone can correct me if I have the wrong end of the stick here?

Ah who knows. I've given up trying to find any logic in what they do.

jackboy · 22-04-2020 08:03PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Harris in his nightly Twitter video saying that Ireland needs to suppress the virus as much as possible and that its possible there might not be a vaccine or one for a while so we need to get back to a level of normality while living alongside the virus for want of a better phase.

It's a bit of a change in tone from his interviews last weekend.

So he’s now come around to Boris’s herd immunity plan.

Pseudonym121 · 22-04-2020 08:03PM

owlbethere wrote: »

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/opinion/coronavirus-testing-pneumonia.html

Read this people. This is important information and I don't know if I should give it a separate thread.

Its from a doctor talking about oxygen in the blood and symptoms. His recommendation is for everyone or every family have an oximeter to monitor their own oxygen levels at home. Basically waiting until you are gasping for breath, typically shows low oxygen around 50 in the blood and that's critical oxygen levels.

Its very interesting. I bought an oximeter a few weeks ago in preparation for this.

If you wait for an oxygen saturation of 50 you’ll really simplify the treatment algorithm. It’ll simply require them to list COVID-19 as your cause of death.

This is why a little knowledge is so dangerous. If you have a pulse oximeter and your oxygen saturation ( when performed properly ) is at or below 92% then you should call a GP and consider presenting to A&E.

If you sit around waiting for it to hit 50 you’ll be a corpse.

Maestro85 · 22-04-2020 08:04PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Vitamin C
Vitamin D
Zinc
Pulse oximeter
Loo paper
Cigarettes

Do I need anything else to get over this?

Kermit.de.frog · 22-04-2020 08:05PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

So, let me see if I have this correct... there is a ban on mass gatherings of over 5,000 people until at least the end of the summer. Where did these knuckleheads in our government pluck that particular number from?

How does having a gathering of 4,999 people do anything to mitigate the spread of this virus?

And people can't leave their houses, but you can still have a licenced gathering under 5,000 people? How does that work exactly?

Seems like braindead logic to me... but perhaps someone can correct me if I have the wrong end of the stick here?

AFAIK You need a licence for gatherings over 5,000. Govt has told councils not to grant.

That does not mean gathering under 5,000 are allowed.

They aren't.

Wibbs · 22-04-2020 08:06PM

coastwatch wrote: »

Researchers in France to test the effects of nicotine on coronovirus patients and front line healthcare workers using patches, to try to understand why it appears smokers are less likely to contract the virus.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/22/french-study-suggests-smokers-at-lower-risk-of-getting-coronavirus

How did I know they'd be French..

It;s certainly worth trying considering the numbers. Numbers that are now coming from China, the UK, America and now France. When smokers should be affected way worse, A) because their habit damages the lungs directly and

because they're far more likely to have other underlying conditions like heart disease and a general lack of fitness compared to non smokers. They do tend not to be obese, would be the only co factor they'd be less likely to have. In essence smokers should be massively overrepresented, not massively under.

Yes they have worse outcomes if they end up in ICU. Not a shock(though the sudden cut off of nictine might not help if it is protective). But they're far less likely to end up in hospital in the first place. By quite the margin. EG in China where 50% of middle aged men smoke, only 3-8% of Chinese middle aged men needed hospital. In the US, New York in particular 13% smoke, yet only 1.3% of people in hospital were smokers.

If another drug that wasn't connected to an otherwise lethal habit like smoking gave those kinda early results you can be sure more would be jumping on it in a big way, Trump would have a field day and quietly buy stocks in tobacco. If those numbers prove to be right it's giving better results than pretty much any other drug, especially the lupus/malaria one that was the golden hope for a time.

I suspect that if they do find a protective effect it'll be down to smokers having more ACE receptors than non smokers. Initially the thought was having more made you more susceptible - men have more than women for example and that was one hypothesis why they were affected more. However it might be the case that more is better, or how those receptors are affected by nicotine that increases their number in the first place could be the protective effect. Nicotine was also found to have a protective effect against acute respiratory distress syndrome in rat and mouse models and reduced inflammation. Like it appears to in ulcerative colitis. Which is odd, because it normally increases inflammation as part of the damage it does.

Wibbs · 22-04-2020 08:07PM

Pseudonym121 wrote: »

If you wait for an oxygen saturation of 50 you’ll really simplify the treatment algorithm. It’ll simply require them to list COVID-19 as your cause of death.

This is why a little knowledge is so dangerous. If you have a pulse oximeter and your oxygen saturation ( when performed properly ) is at or below 92% then you should call a GP and consider presenting to A&E.

If you sit around waiting for it to hit 50 you’ll be a corpse.

+1. I read that and thought 50? Surely you'd be unconscious at that level?

coastwatch · 22-04-2020 08:08PM

the.red.baron wrote: »

Sure what percentage difference does it make in the first place even if it were true

Strange as it sounds, according to the researchers, it seems smoking has a significant effect in lowering the risk of contracting covid 19.

“Our cross-sectional study strongly suggests that those who smoke every day are much less likely to develop a symptomatic or severe infection with Sars-CoV-2 compared with the general population,” the Pitié-Salpêtrière report authors wrote.

“The effect is significant. It divides the risk by five for ambulatory patients and by four for those admitted to hospital. We rarely see this in medicine,” it added.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/22/french-study-suggests-smokers-at-lower-risk-of-getting-coronavirus

There were similar reports from Wuhan

Just Saying · 22-04-2020 08:13PM

dougm1970 wrote: »

worldometers have 39 deaths listed....mind you they adjust figures a lot for countries during the day

There were 10 deaths denotified which reduced the overall deaths by 10 so I presume in order to balance their figures they just deducted them from today's new cases.

Rayne Wooney · 22-04-2020 08:13PM

We are almost a month into the current restrictions right? I think we’ve done about as well as you could expect a population to do up to this point, but from here on I see standards slipping big time, now is the time to ramp up the enforcement side.

But it’s not easily done, how many people are going over to their friends but saying they are going shopping or concocting some other story? How stringent are the checks at checkpoints, they really they should be IDing everybody in the car, if more than one person in car it should but automatic fine unless good reason.

Kivaro · 22-04-2020 08:14PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Vitamin C
Vitamin D
Zinc
Pulse oximeter
Loo paper
Cigarettes

Do I need anything else to get over this?

Is the one in bold a new streaming service?

awec · 22-04-2020 08:14PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

We are almost a month into the current restrictions right? I think we’ve done about as well as you could expect a population to do up to this point, but from here on I see standards slipping big time, now is the time to ramp up the enforcement side.

But it’s not easily done, how many people are going over to their friends but saying they are going shopping or concocting some other story? How stringent are the checks at checkpoints, they really they should be IDing everybody in the car, if more than one person in car it should but automatic fine unless good reason.

They won't do this because it will absolutely kill public support.

The stick doesn't work, it'll be counter productive.

the.red.baron · 22-04-2020 08:15PM

Wibbs wrote: »

How did I know they'd be French..

It;s certainly worth trying considering the numbers. Numbers that are now coming from China, the UK, America and now France. When smokers should be affected way worse, A) because their habit damages the lungs directly and because they're far more likely to have other underlying conditions like heart disease and a general lack of fitness compared to non smokers. They do tend not to be obese, would be the only co factor they'd be less likely to have. In essence smokers should be massively overrepresented, not massively under.

Yes they have worse outcomes if they end up in ICU. Not a shock(though the sudden cut off of nictine might not help if it is protective). But they're far less likely to end up in hospital in the first place. By quite the margin. EG in China where 50% of middle aged men smoke, only 3-8% of Chinese middle aged men needed hospital. In the US, New York in particular 13% smoke, yet only 1.3% of people in hospital were smokers.

If another drug that wasn't connected to an otherwise lethal habit like smoking gave those kinda early results you can be sure more would be jumping on it in a big way, Trump would have a field day and quietly buy stocks in tobacco. If those numbers prove to be right it's giving better results than pretty much any other drug, especially the lupus/malaria one that was the golden hope for a time.

I suspect that if they do find a protective effect it'll be down to smokers having more ACE receptors than non smokers. Initially the thought was having more made you more susceptible - men have more than women for example and that was one hypothesis why they were affected more. However it might be the case that more is better, or how those receptors are affected by nicotine that increases their number in the first place could be the protective effect. Nicotine was also found to have a protective effect against acute respiratory distress syndrome in rat and mouse models and reduced inflammation. Like it appears to in ulcerative colitis. Which is odd, because it normally increases inflammation as part of the damage it does.

But there are loads of other things that affect how likely you are to end up in hospital

Even if say 50% of 20 to 30 year olds smoked a d none over 70 did, the numbers would be skewed to look like smoking helped

Chain smokers probably kick the bucket before they get into the at risk age category in the first place

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 22-04-2020 08:15PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

AFAIK You need a licence for gatherings over 5,000. Govt has told councils not to grant.

That does not mean gathering under 5,000 are allowed.

They aren't.

So, it's basically government speak for large concerts and sporting events?

But why even mention the 5,000 figure? These sorts of messages just put confusion out into the public... making people think it might be okay to have a big wedding or something in a few weeks, when things are eased.

SEPT 23 1989 · 22-04-2020 08:16PM

coastwatch wrote: »

Researchers in France to test the effects of nicotine on coronovirus patients and front line healthcare workers using patches, to try to understand why it appears smokers are less likely to contract the virus.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/22/french-study-suggests-smokers-at-lower-risk-of-getting-coronavirus

The smokers will take back the pubs again

we will stand out in the cold no more

owlbethere · 22-04-2020 08:17PM

Pseudonym121 wrote: »

If you wait for an oxygen saturation of 50 you’ll really simplify the treatment algorithm. It’ll simply require them to list COVID-19 as your cause of death.

This is why a little knowledge is so dangerous. If you have a pulse oximeter and your oxygen saturation ( when performed properly ) is at or below 92% then you should call a GP and consider presenting to A&E.

If you sit around waiting for it to hit 50 you’ll be a corpse.

My oxygen levels sit between 97-100. Sometimes I might get a reading of 96 but it doesn't stay long. If I get sick with these symptoms, I will be using the oximeter. If I get a reading of 93/92/91/90 and it doesnt come up, I will be calling for help. That's only my own personal level.

The news article was alarming here. There's people not showing symptoms like a shortness of breath but they have low oxygen levels. They are getting medical treatment for other reasons and are tested or xrays shows they have covid19 pneumonia. When oxygen is checked, their oxygen is too low eg 50 oxygen in the blood but they don't have signs or symptoms like shortness of breath.

Oximeter meters are recommended to monitor the blood oxygen levels before they drop to low and before physical signs of low oxygen levels.

Wibbs · 22-04-2020 08:17PM

coastwatch wrote: »

Strange as it sounds, according to the researchers, it seems smoking has a significant effect in lowering the risk of contracting covid 19.

If there is an effect and it's looking fairly strong at this stage it's almost certainly nicotine*, not smoking itself. God forbid someone took it up or gave up giving up. DON'T. You've at least a 50% chance of it killing you. That's like playing russian roulette with three rounds in a six gun.

*what else might it be? Carbon monoxide maybe? In tiny amounts obviously. There are a lot of compounds in tobacco smoke, the vast majority of which are dangerous in some way.

Wibbs · 22-04-2020 08:23PM

the.red.baron wrote: »

But there are loads of other things that affect how likely you are to end up in hospital

Even if say 50% of 20 to 30 year olds smoked a d none over 70 did, the numbers would be skewed to look like smoking helped

Chain smokers probably kick the bucket before they get into the at risk age category in the first place

You missed this part: EG in China where 50% of middle aged men smoke, only 3-8% of Chinese middle aged men needed hospital. Same gender and age, different outcomes depending on what appears to be one obvious factor. When said factor should have the numbers going the other way because smokers have way higher levels of the other risk factors like cardiovascular disease and COPD.

If you found a group whose fetish was to stick feathers in their arse, but that ate lard, averaged 25 stones and never lifted a finger in exercise, but rarely showed up with heart attacks you'd be considering research into feathers up the bum as a way to reduce heart disease.

stephenjmcd · 22-04-2020 08:23PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

So, it's basically government speak for large concerts and sporting events?

But why even mention the 5,000 figure? These sorts of messages just put confusion out into the public... making people think it might be okay to have a big wedding or something in a few weeks, when things are eased.

Sporting events dont need a licence. Its included in stadium planning permission and safety certs. But gatherings are still banned anyway at the moment.

This just means any other event, be it concert or whatever wont be considered for a licence this summer, malahide castle concerts etc. 5k is the licensing laws hence 5k being mentioned.

Be right back · 22-04-2020 08:27PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Thank you. Hard as nails, 95 years of age, no known underlying conditions and on no medication. Not showing a single symptom either. We live in hope.

There has been several other people her age and older who have been ok despite having it.

sonofenoch · 22-04-2020 08:27PM

amadangomor wrote: »

Just in my estate, people are definitely relaxing. Group of 6 or 7 of women standing around all within a metre of each other chatting for a couple of hours in a front garden.

Next door neighbour with his cousins over for a get together. A nurse lives in the same house. Sigh!

Gynoid · 22-04-2020 08:27PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The smokers will take back the pubs again

we will stand out in the cold no more

Haha

a chink of light for ye.

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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